After having read numerous posts, expressing your prejudice about lossy files and seen have you ignore fact based argumentation...
What's the big deal about iPods?

Enough talk! Here are the rules:

You prepare a 30 second lossless sample of a song of you choosing and upload it to HA in FLAC format.
I encode the sample to ~128 kbps mp3 and upload the lossy file to HA.
You use fb2k to ABX the two files and save the report.

You win if you post an ABX report, within 24 hours from my upload of the lossy file, documenting that you could hear the difference between lossless and lossy at least 14 out of 16 times.



If you loose I hope you will be a wiser man... but don't commit no suicide

Alors inutile de faire des project! La seule chose qui soit vraiment sure dans ton avenir, c'est la corde qui t'attend!
(Le Spectre Aux Balles d'Or)...

To be fair, my ears don't work and I could win your challenge..

Yeah... I'm giving Grand Dizzy more than fair chance here, but he seems to be afraid to take the challenge.

He might learn something new...

I'm perplexed...
Aren't Private Message more appropriate for this kind of personal request?

We could have fought this one out in the original topic, but it was clearly getting off topic.

Personal mail has been tried but no reaction...

Then again, duels seems to draw a crowd.

I'm sorry, but I'm reading HA for three years, and I've never seen something similar to this. HA is a place for knowledge, not an arena.
What will be the next step? Member X requesting in a separate topic a proof to member Y just to see if he really need --preset standard?

Don't take the duel metaphore to seriously now...

However the discussion between lossy and lossless was coming way off topic and my challenge is personlised for Grand Dizzy.

I wouldn't dare to challenge you on the same conditions.

I don't disagree with the form, but with the principle. It's a public forum: if you want to ask something to someone, go with private message. On many boards, this kind of topics are clearly forbidden (though I can't see in current TOS anything prohibiting personnal message on public board).

It should have been the moderation's task to react to GrandDizzy's posts in concern of TOS#8.
The form in which sehested reacted might strike one as a bit odd, but is certainly justified.

When it's public the files uploaded will be available to all.

Anyone wanting to see for themselves can ABX the two files and post their results...

I truely feel that HA is a place of knowledge and fact based arguments.

If I can get more people to ABX, even if I should loose this contents - which I won't, I feel I have won.

According to the conditions you have precisely fixed, Grandizzy could choose as sample Beethoven's fifth symphony transcripted for castanets ensemble, Concerto for fatboy slim, or a sonata for harspichord and glass harmonica. He will probably pass the test, like most people in the entire world.
In other word, test is useless

Just noticed that Grand Dizzy was reading this topic a minute ago...

And writing a reply...

What will it be...

This actually might be kind of interesting...

sehested,
I appreciate your offer, but no thanks.

I don't have FLAC (or any lossless music compression software), and I don't have a clue what ABX is, or fb2k. So I can't play your game.

But even if I could — what's the point? It sounds like a boring game (especially for you). Or do you just want to know how good my hearing is?

For your information, my hearing is quite good. I can't tell the alt presets apart, but I can usually hear when it's under 192kbps. I'm probably not as good as most people here, but I'm better than my dad, who thinks all mp3s sound identical. But why do you care about my hearing anyway?



I don't think you've read my posts in too much detail. I've clearly stated that I have nothing against lossy encoding, and that every song I own is encoded at alt preset extreme (so how could I be prejudiced against lossy?).

I was just pointing out that lossy is inferior to lossless, and that's fact not opinion. As such, I don't want to buy lossy audio files.

My preference not to want to pay large amounts of money for lossy files is my own preference, and I will buy whatever I like with my hard-earned money.

Au revoir!

What is TOS#8? Sounds like an episode of Star Trek to me.

Hahaahahaahahahaahaha!!!!

Terms Of Service: http://www.hydrogenaudio.org/forums/index.php?showtopic=3974

I would advise you to read it before posting here again.

I have a request too, asked to moderator this time.
Read the incriminated topic again. There are no TOS violation in Grand Dizzy messages.

Is that wrong? Does it justify the "death challenge"?

Most people on HA are thinking so!

Understandable I think...

Seems clear enough that Grand Dizzy didn't say that lossless is the only way to go, but that he just want to pay for lossless music.


So, please stop this comedy!

I didn't say there were.
But he acted in a way, which made it very obvious that he isn't aware of the TOS yet.

But you're right this topic is becoming ridiculous.

ABX is a feature of foobar aka foobar2000 or fb2k which allow you to compare two tracks.

One track is designated A the other B.
The system will then provide an X track that is randomly choosen between A/B. Your job will be to tell whether X is A or X is B.
Statistically a monkey would make the right guess half of the time.
To rule out that you are no monkey, the test can therefore repeated any number of times.
The number of tests and correct answers are recorded and can be stored in a ABX report that can be posted.




Try to do a search for FLAC if you don't know what it is.

Glad to read it
Not only ridiculous, but also disrespecteful for a member which was patient enough to explain many time the real sense of his approach.
Current TOS should be updated I think, in order to avoid similar topic (and noise) in the future. I don't think that simple members should be autorized to play the inquisitor on their own initiative.

I agree with guruboolez in this specific case.
Thread closed.