Full Version: clipping AAC
because AAC just rocks...i've reripped my entire cd collection in 160kbps AAC format. however, there are some songs that have a crap load of silence. you know, the ones that have a "secret" track, which makes one song up to 15 minutes in length...well, to save space on my ipod, i need to clip the 3 or so minutes of silence in a bunch of those songs. do any of you have any good software like soundforge or something that will allow me to clip those AAC format songs?
QUOTE(wezman2k @ Nov 9 2004, 01:50 AM)
because AAC just rocks...i've reripped my entire cd collection in 160kbps AAC format. however, there are some songs that have a crap load of silence. you know, the ones that have a "secret" track, which makes one song up to 15 minutes in length...well, to save space on my ipod, i need to clip the 3 or so minutes of silence in a bunch of those songs. do any of you have any good software like soundforge or something that will allow me to clip those AAC format songs?
not a direct answer, but if you are willing to use a audio editor like SoundForge, why don't you split and cut the original wav files from your collection in the first place? that would be fairly easy...
Newer iTunes versions don't use much space on silence (2 kbs).
But, I presume long silence still may get on your nerve
But, I presume long silence still may get on your nerve
QUOTE(henkersmahlzeit @ Nov 9 2004, 07:28 AM)
Newer iTunes versions don't use much space on silence (2 kbs).
But, I presume long silence still may get on your nerve
But, I presume long silence still may get on your nerve
well...i'm not sure if that's true....the files with the silence are signifigantly larger. are you sure 5 mins of silence isn't encoded like normal music?
QUOTE(rjamorim @ Nov 8 2004, 07:55 PM)
by the way...is that some sort of plugin?
[quote=wezman2k,Nov 11 2004, 09:19 AM]
[quote=rjamorim,Nov 8 2004, 07:55 PM]http://besplit.doom9.org
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I too have imported my entire CD collection into iTunes using AAC (m4a) at 224 kbs (overkill) and would like to just edit these files and remove the silence on hidden tracks. So far I have not found a program to do this.
I tried besplit with no luck. It accepts aac files but with an .aac extension which it seems to treate differently to a .m4a extension
[quote=rjamorim,Nov 8 2004, 07:55 PM]http://besplit.doom9.org
I too have imported my entire CD collection into iTunes using AAC (m4a) at 224 kbs (overkill) and would like to just edit these files and remove the silence on hidden tracks. So far I have not found a program to do this.
I tried besplit with no luck. It accepts aac files but with an .aac extension which it seems to treate differently to a .m4a extension
[quote=RTSQ,Nov 10 2004, 11:02 PM]
[quote=wezman2k,Nov 11 2004, 09:19 AM]
[quote=rjamorim,Nov 8 2004, 07:55 PM]http://besplit.doom9.org
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I too have imported my entire CD collection into iTunes using AAC (m4a) at 224 kbs (overkill) and would like to just edit these files and remove the silence on hidden tracks. So far I have not found a program to do this.
I tried besplit with no luck. It accepts aac files but with an .aac extension which it seems to treate differently to a .m4a extension
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if only m4a files were compatible with soundforge.
[quote=wezman2k,Nov 11 2004, 09:19 AM]
[quote=rjamorim,Nov 8 2004, 07:55 PM]http://besplit.doom9.org
I too have imported my entire CD collection into iTunes using AAC (m4a) at 224 kbs (overkill) and would like to just edit these files and remove the silence on hidden tracks. So far I have not found a program to do this.
I tried besplit with no luck. It accepts aac files but with an .aac extension which it seems to treate differently to a .m4a extension
if only m4a files were compatible with soundforge.
Well I might just rip all my CD's again. It seems after whizzing around all the forums that AAC is not substantially better (or better at all) as I thought it was. At least I will then be able to easily find tools to split my tracks where needed. Perhaps some points and suggestions can help me decide on the format I will use. I know in the end it comes down to personal listening preference, but rather than rip and listen to all the possibilities, comments on what others have found would be appreciated.
to narrow it down i wish to do the following.
1. Rip all my music for my iPod, I only have around 1.5k songs for a 15gb iPod, so I would prefer a higher bit rate but conservative enough to extend (double) my library. iTunes AAC at 224kbps filled half.
2. At home I play my iPod through my Yamaha V540 receiver (stereo mode). So the quality needs to be able to be sustained here.
3. I will probably use iTunes to sync with my iPod unless you can recommend others. Previously I used Music Match which I found pretty good, but haven't installed on my new PC.
Does anyone have any comments on the iTunes 4.7 encoders
To stay on topic I want to be able to remove the silence and keep hidden tracks.
to narrow it down i wish to do the following.
1. Rip all my music for my iPod, I only have around 1.5k songs for a 15gb iPod, so I would prefer a higher bit rate but conservative enough to extend (double) my library. iTunes AAC at 224kbps filled half.
2. At home I play my iPod through my Yamaha V540 receiver (stereo mode). So the quality needs to be able to be sustained here.
3. I will probably use iTunes to sync with my iPod unless you can recommend others. Previously I used Music Match which I found pretty good, but haven't installed on my new PC.
Does anyone have any comments on the iTunes 4.7 encoders
To stay on topic I want to be able to remove the silence and keep hidden tracks.
Yes, I am sure iTunes encodes silence different than "normal" music. Encoded silence is shown with a bitrate of 2 kbs in Foobar. I do not how accurate this is ... but filesize decreases with "real" silence. You can see the real overall bitrate with the Winamp 5 library function.
Sometimes there is only "virtual" silence ... maybe background tape noise which is not easily heard but is recognized as "music" by the encoder.
Sometimes there is only "virtual" silence ... maybe background tape noise which is not easily heard but is recognized as "music" by the encoder.
QUOTE(henkersmahlzeit @ Nov 15 2004, 10:43 AM)
Yes, I am sure iTunes encodes silence different than "normal" music. Encoded silence is shown with a bitrate of 2 kbs in Foobar. I do not how accurate this is ... but filesize decreases with "real" silence. You can see the real overall bitrate with the Winamp 5 library function.
Sometimes there is only "virtual" silence ... maybe background tape noise which is not easily heard but is recognized as "music" by the encoder.
Sometimes there is only "virtual" silence ... maybe background tape noise which is not easily heard but is recognized as "music" by the encoder.
I think that's true. On some tracks it seems to not waste bits on silent parts, but on others, like the last track on Midnite Vultures by Beck it seems to encode at full bit-rate even though it has a "silent" part.
Yep, encoded one minute of silence w/ a few seconds of drums @ 192kbps and the resulting file is just 168kB.
hmm...well i reripped the songs with silence as wavs, and clipped the wavs using soundforge, then converted to AAC and the file sizes were cut by several megs...
Well that might be the go then. I think with iTunes you can specify the start and stop times of each tune before ripping so you could do it that way.
Did you have a look at my requirements, and being a fan of AAC yourself, do you think it is the best option for me?
The prob is there is always something slightly better in the pipeline.
Did you have a look at my requirements, and being a fan of AAC yourself, do you think it is the best option for me?
The prob is there is always something slightly better in the pipeline.
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