In Germany, state and church have a sort of 'agreement". The state can't entirely live without church, specially in the social scope. I like to see the new European constitution not refering to God.
small question: is "laicism" (or like that) a word in English ? Should mean separation of church and state. Even Google doesn't know it.
Us president Bush definitely abuses religious words for his crusade against "terrorism" Iraq had nothing to do with that. Separation of church and state has never been strong in the USA; id'd go so far to say Bush voters are misled and blinded by their frequently strong religious belief.
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QUOTE(precisionist @ Dec 3 2004, 04:31 AM)
In Germany, state and church have a sort of 'agreement". The state can't entirely live without church, specially in the social scope. I like to see the new European constitution not refering to God.
small question: is "laicism" (or like that) a word in English ? Should mean separation of church and state. Even Google doesn't know it.
Us president Bush definitely abuses religious words for his crusade against "terrorism" Iraq had nothing to do with that. Separation of church and state has never been strong in the USA; id'd go so far to say Bush voters are misled and blinded by their frequently strong religious belief.
small question: is "laicism" (or like that) a word in English ? Should mean separation of church and state. Even Google doesn't know it.
Us president Bush definitely abuses religious words for his crusade against "terrorism" Iraq had nothing to do with that. Separation of church and state has never been strong in the USA; id'd go so far to say Bush voters are misled and blinded by their frequently strong religious belief.
Historically, USA had a lot of refugee from country where their religion was fight. It's normal then that the religion has a important place and in is protected in the USA.
QUOTE(marcan)
Historically, USA had a lot of refugee from country where their religion was fight. It's normal then that the religion has a important place and in is protected in the USA.
People who emigrated to the US in the past came almost all from a small number of countries in Europe - preferably the UK, Germany and Italy. Were christian religions prosecuted in this countries ? - never. Probably you're referring to the Jews who were killed during the second world war by evil Hitler. Even in the US, their percentage of the population is rather small...
QUOTE(precisionist @ Dec 6 2004, 04:27 AM)
QUOTE(marcan)
Historically, USA had a lot of refugee from country where their religion was fight. It's normal then that the religion has a important place and in is protected in the USA.
People who emigrated to the US in the past came almost all from a small number of countries in Europe - preferably the UK, Germany and Italy. Were christian religions prosecuted in this countries ? - never. Probably you're referring to the Jews who were killed during the second world war by evil Hitler. Even in the US, their percentage of the population is rather small...
I talked about Irish, Scottish, ... for examples.
QUOTE(precisionist @ Dec 6 2004, 12:27 PM)
QUOTE(marcan)
Historically, USA had a lot of refugee from country where their religion was fight. It's normal then that the religion has a important place and in is protected in the USA.
People who emigrated to the US in the past came almost all from a small number of countries in Europe - preferably the UK, Germany and Italy. Were christian religions prosecuted in this countries ? - never.
It's not that "Christians" were persecuted. Specific denominations were persecuted by the majority denomination (all supposedly Christian) - e.g. Baptists by the Catholics. (I don't know the history, so that's a made up example!)
So the strength of feeling about Religion in the USA is somewhat understandable from this basis, as marcan suggested. Some of the people who went there really cared about what they believed. If they didn't care (or they subscribed to their original country's "orthodox" religion at the time) many would have stayed at home and not travelled half way around the world to a new country.
From hi-fi, via politics, to religion, in one easy thread. Glad it's in OT!
Cheers,
David.
P.S. I really should read some history, because I know worryingly little about this! I'm sure there's a museum about it in Boston (UK), but google is closer!
Extremely good thread, really enjoyed it.
I wouldnīt spend that amount of money in audio equipment even if I had all the money in the world. I agree with music_man_mpcīs first reply.
It is unbelievable how people pay huge amounts of money just because they have the money.
A few weeks ago I was talking to a friend at the gym. He told me he lived for a few years in Texas (donīt remember if he said Dallas or Houston) and came back to our country because he couldnīt stand the "American Way Of Life", that it was absolutely irritating the way americans measure their success in life almost exclusively in terms of their economic achievements, and that thereīs a lot of pressure to have more and more to avoid being a "loser".
I agree that everyone needs a reasonable amount of money to have a decent life in general terms. The point is, for some peoples or societies, the definition of reasonable and decent is ridiculous.
I wonder how much money would this guy donate to Asian countries in light of the well known disaster. Imagine if every guy like him (there are loads in USA and many other countries) were willing to donate say a thousand USD. They could reconstruct every damaged building, and then feed the indigent peoples of the world for a decade at least, even build schools & universities so they learn their ways to make the world better. I heard the US is going to donate USD 20 million to the cause. Iīve seen a guy from UN say that itīs an unbelievably low amount of money given the states GNP. I think The US donating 20 million is almost a joke, even when there will be loads of countries that will donate much less or nothing (basically because many have nothing to donate in the first place).
And obviously it isnīt a matter of north american politicians or peoples, itīs a problem with the human race itself. Last week I was reading a page about a prince of an extremely poor african country. The guy bought a custom car (donīt remember if Mercedes or BMW) for something like half a million USD, while people living in his country are dying because of famine.
I wouldnīt spend that amount of money in audio equipment even if I had all the money in the world. I agree with music_man_mpcīs first reply.
It is unbelievable how people pay huge amounts of money just because they have the money.
A few weeks ago I was talking to a friend at the gym. He told me he lived for a few years in Texas (donīt remember if he said Dallas or Houston) and came back to our country because he couldnīt stand the "American Way Of Life", that it was absolutely irritating the way americans measure their success in life almost exclusively in terms of their economic achievements, and that thereīs a lot of pressure to have more and more to avoid being a "loser".
I agree that everyone needs a reasonable amount of money to have a decent life in general terms. The point is, for some peoples or societies, the definition of reasonable and decent is ridiculous.
I wonder how much money would this guy donate to Asian countries in light of the well known disaster. Imagine if every guy like him (there are loads in USA and many other countries) were willing to donate say a thousand USD. They could reconstruct every damaged building, and then feed the indigent peoples of the world for a decade at least, even build schools & universities so they learn their ways to make the world better. I heard the US is going to donate USD 20 million to the cause. Iīve seen a guy from UN say that itīs an unbelievably low amount of money given the states GNP. I think The US donating 20 million is almost a joke, even when there will be loads of countries that will donate much less or nothing (basically because many have nothing to donate in the first place).
And obviously it isnīt a matter of north american politicians or peoples, itīs a problem with the human race itself. Last week I was reading a page about a prince of an extremely poor african country. The guy bought a custom car (donīt remember if Mercedes or BMW) for something like half a million USD, while people living in his country are dying because of famine.
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