Hi, i have strange problem with playback on standalone CD player.
When I do copy of original cd, there are no ticks, but if I burn my mixes, there are ticks between tracks. These ticks are not between all tracks.
Original WAVs crossfades without any ticks..

When i rip this CD, EAC uses the "first red line" of error correction...
Could you help me please? I use Nero for burning...

Is the sample number of those WAVs a multiple of 588?

perhaps no padding?

Umm.. no
I cut it in Sond Forge... does it have any function for it?
Or some tool for checking that it is multiple of 588?


EDIT> I've found CD Wave Audio Editor, it cuts correctly

Try a different burning application. It seems as if yours doesn't pad the files with zero samples correctly. You can try burnatonce or burrrn, they are both free, and I am pretty sure they pad correctly. You may also use wavTrim to "fix" your files to be a mutiple of 588 samples.

If you pad with null samples and the tracks are gapless, "clicks", "blips" are also likely.
Most burning programs pad with null samples, although Nero usually deletes the final samples of the WAV until its size is a multiple of 588 samples. Yes, Nero usually deletes your music.

It might be nicer to burn with a program that is able to produce gapless discs from WAVs that aren't multiple of 588 samples without killing anything, like Feurio, Samplitude, Sequoia...

Ticks are also likely even if the tracks aren't gapless, unless you've taken the trouble to fade the end and start of each track to digital zero. The gap between many recordings on CD, even if there's no music, is still not perfect silence (background noise of the recording equipment), and the discontinuity between that and the sudden drop to the null samples added when padding gives an audible tick.


How do they do that? Given that a track on a CD *must* be an exact multiple of 588 samples, the only method I can envisage is that they adjust the track start position. Is that what happens?

Q-W-Y: in future try to ensure you split out tracks as multiples of 588 samples. I can't recall if Sound Forge has a "snap to CD frame" option, but if it doesn't, use a program that understands this aspect of track splitting, such as CD Wave (or my own program Wave Repair).

Does the Burrrn adjust the track start position or insert null samples?

Yes, that's the only way.
What most programs do is to fill the end of the sector with null samples (or delete samples if it's Nero).
Feurio lets you choose between filling with zeroes or filling with the first samples of the following track (or putting the last samples of the track in the beginning of the following track, depending in what is shorter).

It's an easy way to quickly burn WAVs non-multiple of 588 samples without caring about where you cut the tracks.
Of course, the beginning position of the WAV won't be exactly the same as the "physical" beginning of the track in the CD.



Burrrn and burnatonce pad with null samples, AFAIK, like almost all burning programs.

EAC's wav editor can set the horizontal time scale to CD sectors to cut at them.
In Cool edit, set the time scale to 75 frames per second. If you want to cut, select "insert CD track marker"; it will be inserted at a position x*588 samples away from the beginning of the wav file. You can then easily highlite the rest, snap the selection to the cue and delete it.

Does that still happen in the more recent versions? I don't use Nero for audio myself, but I believe to remember that this problem was fixed somewhere halfway the 5.xx versions.

Another thing to keep in mind is that Nero by default inserts pauses (between all tracks).

I think you mean an ugly bug between versions 5.5.0.0 and 5.5.7.8 or something like that.
That bug deleted the last samples of all WAV tracks ALWAYS, even if their size was multiple of 588 samples.

It was corrected, and after that, Nero only deleted the last samples when the tracks weren't multiple of 588 samples, which is something more or less valid, although the sensible thing to do is letting you choose what you want to do, or show a warning saying that is going to kill your music for that reason.

I don't know if Nero6 or the last versions of Nero6 still do that.
BTW, that box that says "Remove silence between *.cda tracks" or something like that is useless. It doesn't do anything...

I see. Thanks.