OK, i just got the info that my marriage video is done. This guys record on SVHS, transfer on the PC, edit it, and then can record to VHS, or DVD. Problem is that they charge 200 bucks for the DVD option, where i have seen many at 60. So i was wondering, if i get the VHS copy, and send it to the 60bucks guy, would where theywould probably transfer to PC, and then to DVD, would the resulting be less quality than the PC -> DVD of the 200 bucks guys?

I'm no video expert, but it seems logical that it would be of lesser quality: obviously, if you record the material to VHS, there is a quality loss compared to if you went to DVD directly. This quality can't be restored by transferring back to DVD.

How much, though, and if it is worth the difference in $$$, I hope someone else will know better.

Hello Kwanbis,

Strange your business.

1 - SVHS to PC to VHS good
2 - SVHS to PC to DVD less well

In your business, there are two things that challenge me:.

- the length of the movie
- the size of your file gotten.

I agree to do the transfer 1: convenient, without danger and better (advantage / length of the K7 video)
But the transfer 2, dealt with me less logic (weight of the analogical / restricted length in DVD).

Remain to know, what did you wish to make.
To look for that is well, found that is even better.

no, mine would be

1 - SVHS to PC to VHS good
2 - SVHS to PC to DVD
3 - SVHS to PC to VHS to PC to DVD

2 vs 3 (now is 1)

Yes, the additional VHS transfer would reduce quality significantly. If using good equipment, a lot sharper picture can be extracted from SVHS than VHS. All of those transfers are (highly) lossy, and your option number three includes two additional lossy transfers compared to the first one.

I can say from experience that VHS to PC transfers will most likely look terrible, so if possible at all, do not use VHS in the transfer process.

Couldn't you get the original SVHS tape directly to the $60 guy?

have to agree with niktheblak completely, even svhs will look pretty bad for todays standards, but
svhs -> bad analog capture -> (and here probably few dv generations as well) -> bad analog output -> vhs -> bad analog capture -> dvd
will be just horrible.

Excuse me Kwanbis, I've made a mistake of reading.
Sorry.

Thank you Niktheblack, Smok3

so you are all saying that "SVHS to PC to VHS to PC to DVD" would be worst than "SVHS to PC to VHS"

of course... compare it with going

CD --> 320 kbps MP3 --> 128 kbps Vorbis

vs.

CD --> 320 kbps MP3 --> 128 kbps AAC --> 320 kbps MP3 --> 128 kbps Vorbis

while none is optimal, the first one certainy would be better.

Hello Kwanbis,

To say truly, I thought about a video camera.
It is not anymore the same history.

You have try to make the transfer of your SVHS to a DVD recordable.
It will already be more discriminating than to send it to your PC and to record it on DVD.
Of course, it is in the case or you would avoid to edit it.

Later

but it is not the same ... that is applying formulas to remove things ... mine is "analog-digital" conversion ... if i think of a modem, thre is not much loss there

Yes, but when you convert to VHS (which as a standard I assume offers lower quality than DVD for all material), you lose quality compared to going to DVD. Converting back to DVD will not restore the quality, similar to what stephanV illustrated in his example.

thats why i used 320 kbps MP3 to illustrate the analog-->digital conversion, perceptually there will probably not be a lot of loss, but its not gonna be perfect.

the biggest loss is seen in the transfer to VHS.

so if VHS is good enought, the VHS transfered to DVD should be mostly the same ...

no, because you still have the transfer from PC --> DVD (MPEG2)

Hello Kwanbis,

I propose you these three methods, and you will make your choices and your deductions will be clearer.


Method 1 (less good): SVHS to DVD Enregitreur with DD / MPEG2

Direct burning with the recording DVD (case without edition of the files)
- Your SVHS movie to the recording DVD;
- Your file being in Mpeg2, then you can burn it.

Burning with PC (case with edition of the files)
- Your SVHS movie to DD of the recording DVD;
- with a console external USB2 you transfer your SVHS file to DD of your PC while using a port available USB2 on your PC.
- Being in Mpeg2, you will be able to crop your movies (AVI/ASF/MPEG/WMV spiltter) and to publish it (Ifoedit, Tmpeg dvd autor or Scenarist)
- Burn with Nero.


Method 2 (good): SVHS toward PC toward DVD / MPEG2

- Your SVHS movie to your PC (preference a SVHS cable);
- Rip with Virtualdub 1.60 or 1.5.10 (steady) while using Huffyuv 0.25 or MSU ls codec.
- For the encoding CCE 2.67 or 2.70 pro.
- Burning with Nero.


Method 3 (better): SVHS toward PC toward VHS / AVI

- Based on the principle of the method 2.
- But this time the Huffyuv file (without loss) will be transferred to your video recorder by a SVHS cable.

modem and they way it is used it is pretty much lossless, but you dont need realtime performance since the bad data can be retransfered here (you could rougly compare that to dv tape trasfer via firewire - but here you do need at least realtime performance).

svhs -> vhs will be a huge quality loss, also there could be a problem with absence of hifi audio - some machines can be prety picky when it comes to that - anyway this guy is charging a lot for a silly dvd....

yes, charging too much ... that was the problem first ... at first i tought of doing the VHS, and asking some one else to do the DVD, but then i thought it would be worst quality, since he had to start from the VHS, than the original guy (the $200 guy) that has the original SVHS to move to DVD ... it is a marriage, so hi-fi is not what is important, image is ... so thats why my question was would be that much worse "SVHS -> PC -> VHS -> PC -> DVD" from "SVHS -> PC -> DVD" (yes, yes, define "worse")

it would be exactly half worse (no really, that is subjective - basically if you are happy with a guy with svhs equipment in year 2005 then i dont see how would vhs -> dvd be such a bad thing really...)

In this history a question challenges me.

What is indeed the "DIGITAL LOSSY?
A picture non succeeded or, or an individual's work makes badly.

Sincerely, I find that the term loses in matter and personality.
It would be preferable to say the words otherwise but in conformity with the done project.

The Digital lossy doesn't exist that is a human creation.
Let's be seriously, and let's react in speech and in truth.

Later.

hehe ... he had also MiniDV ... we should have gonne that way probably, by there was 200 more for Digital, plus 200 more for DVD = 400 more ... too much ....

quada 2: yeah, this forum doesn't exist either, it is plain imagination (powered by some imaginary php/mysql stuff).

Smok3, what is the report.

Digital numeric would be the equivalent of Digital lossy.
In my opinion, all its come closer of the basket is doesn't appreciated always.
Unles, that it is a basket of my imagination.

In short, if you made me a basket with pretty flower, it will be probably a bouquet, no!