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evereux
QUOTE(JuanK @ Apr 29 2005, 03:50 PM)
Some days ago, I submitted a new entry but i made a mistake. I tried to email to you twice, but I got no reply. Please fix the table with these settings:
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   Manufacturer: JLMS
           Type: DVD-ROM
          Model: XJ-HD163D
Accurate Stream: Yes
        Caching: Yes
  C2 Error Info: Yes
       Overread: None
  Sample Offset: +594
       Firmware: GHR8

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I see you added the drive features again? I've deleted the original entry.

If ever there's a problem with someone's submission contact myself direct. I'll correct the issue ASAP.

Sorry I didn't respond to this sooner but my PCs power supply decided to throw out some nice sparks.
Synthetic Soul
QUOTE(rutra80 @ Mar 20 2005, 02:23 PM)
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How did you get the positive symbols to appear in Excel? blink.gif

You must format the cells as text and add a space before the positive symbol.

Or use a custom format on the cell like "+0;-0;0" - or something fancy like "[blue]+0;[red]-0;[green]0"

(right-click > Format Cells... > Number Tab > Custom Category > enter format)

You can also use conditional formatting (Format > Conditional Formatting... > ... )

Edit: in fact adding a space to turn the cell into text is really bad practise. By doing so you are poluting your data and relinquishing any possibility to use the figures in mathematical operations. You shouldn't corrupt your data for the sake of aesthetics - especially as XL provides various ways to solve this minor problem.
HbG
Here's my contribution:
CODE
   Manufacturer: TEAC
           Type: CD-ROM
          Model: CD-532S
Accurate Stream: Yes
        Caching: No
  C2 Error Info: No
       Overread: None
  Sample Offset: +258
       Firmware: 3.0A


CODE
   Manufacturer: TOSHIBA
           Type: DVD-ROM
          Model: SD-M1401
Accurate Stream: Yes
        Caching: No
  C2 Error Info: Yes
       Overread: None
  Sample Offset: +252
       Firmware: 1008


CODE
   Manufacturer: RICOH
           Type: MP6200S
          Model:
Accurate Stream: Yes
        Caching: No
  C2 Error Info: Yes
       Overread: None
  Sample Offset: +253
       Firmware: 2.40


The Ricoh drive is a CD-RW, and has a long history of acting weird.
The read offsets seem remarkably similar, i used Tracy Chapman to detect them.
I've not thoroughly tested the C2 feature of the Ricoh drive, it works for the Toshiba though.
baldrick
Manufacturer - PIONEER
Type - DVD±R/RW Recorder
Model - DVR-107D
Accurate Stream - YES
Caching - YES
C2 Error Info - NO
Overread - Lead Out
Sample Offset - +48
Firmware - 1.20



These values are identical to Pioneer DVR-106D.
The Write Offset is the same : +18
evereux
http://www.daefeatures.co.uk has now been updated to include the following features:
  • Users can now edit their drive submissions.
  • Users can now input a drives write offset.

If a user has some drive info's that they didn't input via the site (eg they came from another list) they won't be able to edit those info's. If those users would like to register and have those drive info's associated with their login so they can edit them, let me know.

Also, you can now link to the search form to show only one particular drive manufacturer:
http://www.daefeatures.co.uk/search.php?man=PLEXTOR

The email address paul atnospam daefeatures.co.uk hasn't been working until very recently. My apologies to those that may have sent me an email and didn't get a reply.


Any problems, please let me know. smile.gif
Pop
Manufacturer - PIONEER
Type - DVD±R/RW Recorder
Model - DVR-108
Accurate Stream - YES
Caching - YES
C2 Error Info - NO
Overread - Lead Out
Sample Offset - +48
Firmware - 1.20
TCM
QUOTE(spoon @ Mar 21 2005, 06:17 AM)
Accurate Stream: No problem
Caching: This one is hit and miss to detect,
C2 Error Info: The firmware could lie about it's implementation / implementation could be poor you would need a cd with intentional errors
i cannot comment on accurate stream, but "drive caches" can always be turned ON and "c2 error info" can always be turned OFF as a fail-safe fallback. all you get is a speed decrease with added safety.

especially c2 was unreliable with my liteon ltr-24103s. the drive reports c2 but repeatedly reripping a track would yield a different checksum each time. scary. so better be safe than sorry and keep those two options at their slow-but-reliable setting. my opinion.

edit: unless you mass-rip hundreds of cds where you need the speed. but i'd very carefully verify that the drive rips correctly. usually, the slightest sign of a checksum mismatch or similar makes me run screaming from ever using that option again. but that's just me :)
WaldoMonster
Here are my two drives:

Manufacturer: Asus
Type: CD-ROM
Model: CD-S500/A
Accurate Stream: YES
Caching: NO
C2 Error Info: YES
Overread: Only lead in
Sample Offset: +1858
Firmware: 1.3D

Manufacturer: Lite-on
Type: CD-RW
Model: LTR-48125W
Accurate Stream: YES
Caching: YES
C2 Error Info: YES
Overread: Only lead in
Sample Offset: +12
Firmware: VS0D

I use the Asus manly for audio ripping.
Some times I use the Lite-on for protected cd's.
micmac
Hi all,

I bought a new drive 2 weeks ago and I'm really ok with it because it's better for DAE than the drives I had before. Here we go:

CODE

Manufacturer - _NEC
Type - DVD_RW
Model - ND-4550A
Accurate Stream - yes
Caching - no
C2 Error Info - yes
Overread - no
Sample Offset - +48
Firmware - Version 1.6




Cheers


mic
landy
Type: HL-DT-STDVDRAM (it's LG)
Model: GSA-4120B
Firmware: A111
Accurate Stream: YES
Caching: NO
C2 Error Info: YES
Overread: Lead-In
Offset: +667
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currently use this drive and its quite good but every time i run eacs c2 check it says it probably cant do it (using a few cds) anyone know why two people submited it saying its c2 capable? also anyone know if the LG 4167B is a good buy?
evereux
I don't think it's worth posting your results in this thread anymore. The list at the beginning of this thread is no longer kept up to date.

The results from the last spreadsheet have been imported into the database at http://daefeatures.co.uk and that essentially is the master now. It could be wiser to register there and add your drive features that way.
landy
that was supposed to be a quote of the first person to list the 4120B i removed some other details not relating to my drive and it seems to have broken the formating slightly (although the find post thing works). i simply want to know why two people claimed that the GSA-4120B is C2 capable when all my test in eac result in "probably not capable" or something like that
jhartmann
The LG/HL-DT-ST GSA-4120B as well as its relatives (e.g. GSA-4163B) does indeed report C2 errors. (You will find that if you test a newer EAC with a scratched CD.) And it does not only report those errors, it's one of very few drive families that does so very correctly.

But the LG drives (GSA-4xxxB) do also cache audio data although EAC falsely claims they would not. (They actually cache 37KB audio*.)

And yes, they are able to read hidden tracks (track 1/index 0) although EAC has problems to show them correctly.

(*) The fact that this drive (or any like it) caches 37kB is a NON-ISSUE when it comes to ripping with EAC since the smallest amount of data requested by EAC is 64kB!!!
http://www.digital-inn.de/106824-post3.html
http://www.digital-inn.de/113449-post2.html
z7x8c9
What about the GSA-4082N?

It's a slim drive (it's on a laptop) and EAC reports;

AccurateRip : Yes
Caches Audio: No
C2 Error Info: Yes

Does anyone know how can I, for sure, determine if the drive caches audio data and reports correct c2 error information?

Thanks
rutra80
AFAIK Feurio! has some more advanced caching-detection features than EAC, and there's a nice C2 error test in Nero CD-DVD Speed (menu Extra/Advanced DAE Quality Test/Error Test).
Mefodiy
QUOTE(rutra80 @ Jan 18 2006, 03:52 AM)
AFAIK Feurio! has some more advanced caching-detection features than EAC, and there's a nice C2 error test in Nero CD-DVD Speed (menu Extra/Advanced DAE Quality Test/Error Test).
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1. The link in the first post of this thread gives a 404

2. Will the Nero test give an accurate report on the C2 capabilities of my drive?

3. I have just googled, and can't find any -- so, do any of you know where a good guide on how to use Nero CD-DVD Speed is? -- like what does "simulate" and "RAW" mean?
Mefodiy
I'd still appreciate 1,2,&3 being addressed.
rutra80
QUOTE(Mefodiy @ Feb 19 2006, 04:59 AM)
1. The link in the first post of this thread gives a 404

PM westgroveg.
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2. Will the Nero test give an accurate report on the C2 capabilities of my drive?

It will tell you how many C2 errors are missed, and will give you some accuracy & quality score.
QUOTE
3. I have just googled, and can't find any -- so, do any of you know where a good guide on how to use Nero CD-DVD Speed is?  -- like what does "simulate" and "RAW" mean?
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There's an outdated help file, changelog can be helpful too.
Simulate means that when testing burning speed, nothing will be written onto a disc (it will just simulate writing, with laser turned off).
RAW is a low-level method of burning which allows copying of error correction codes & subchannel data, useful in case of copy-protected discs.
Mefodiy
QUOTE(rutra80 @ Feb 22 2006, 04:31 PM)
...
There's an outdated help file, changelog can be helpful too.
Simulate means that when testing burning speed, nothing will be written onto a disc (it will just simulate writing, with laser turned off).
RAW is a low-level method of burning which allows copying of error correction codes & subchannel data, useful in case of copy-protected discs.
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Where id the "oudated help file" located.

In Nero, when I go to Help>Manual, all I get is
QUOTE
Dear valued customer,
this version does not contain the helpfiles and manuals. You can download the helpfiles and manuals in your language from:

http://www.nero7.com/link.php?topic_id=7078
... and the link doesn't lead to a manual for CD-DVD Speed -- just for the other components.


Also, how would either of "Simulate" or "RAW" have anything to do with CD-DVD Speed? Why are they options, and what would they accomplish in CD-DVD Speed?


If I can't find the manual, does anyone know how I can use CD-DVD Speed to test the reliability of the C2 capabilities of my drive?
DreamweaverN
QUOTE(DreamweaverN @ Mar 28 2005, 01:31 PM)
CODE
Manufacturer - PIONEER
Type - DVD-ROM
Model - DVD-120
Accurate Stream - YES

Caching - NO
C2 Error Info - YES
Overread - Lead In
Sample Offset - +691
Firmware - 1.23

CODE

Manufacturer - ASUS
Type - CD-RW
Model - CRW-5224A
Accurate Stream - YES
Caching - NO
C2 Error Info - YES
Overread - Lead In
Sample Offset - +6
Firmware - 1.20


That is the info for both my drives smile.gif. The offsets were found using AccurateRip and is the value that is displayed in the offset field in EAC. I hope this information helps smile.gif.
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I don't know how I did it but the ASUS CRW-5224A does cache audio. Sorry for the mix up.
rutra80
QUOTE(Mefodiy @ Mar 3 2006, 05:54 AM)
Where id the "oudated help file" located.

You can find it on its download page.
QUOTE
Also, how would either of "Simulate" or "RAW" have anything to do with CD-DVD Speed?  Why are they options, and what would they accomplish in CD-DVD Speed?

Well, if you simulate then after the tests the disc is still blank, if you don't simulate then it will be full of test data (so if it's not rewritable it's kinda wasted).
As for RAW, I see it only in overburning test, so it probably helps to determine if your drive can overburn in RAW & non-RAW modes.
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If I can't find the manual, does anyone know how I can use CD-DVD Speed to test the reliability of the C2 capabilities of my drive?
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Just insert some slightly damaged CDDA (so you get errors), and start the test from menu Extra/Advanced DAE Quality Test/Error Test.
pike
download link is broken crying.gif
Be Positive
Manufacturer: Plextor
Type: DVD-ROM
Model: PX-130a
Accurate Stream: Yes
Caching: Yes
C2 Error Info: Yes
Gap Detection Mode: A, Secure
Overread: don't know
Sample Offset: +738
Firmware: 103
Joshatdot
CODE
Manufacturer - OPTORITE
Type - DVD-RW
Model - DD1203
Accurate Stream - YES
Caching - NO
C2 Error Info - NO
Overread - NO
Sample Offset - +691
Firmware - 120E
JoeGons
Acer Laptop.2480-2943

TSST Corp. CDW/DVD TS-L462D
Toshiba Samsung Storage Technology Korea Corporation
with NTI CD & DVD Maker 7 Gold.
NewTech Infosystems (NTI)
EAC
Burrrn


My Acer 2480-2943

TSSTcorp CDW/DVD TS-L462D AC00 Adapter:0 ID 1

READ OFFSET: +6 *** Does not work
WRITE OFFSET: +30 *** Does not work

Manufacturer: TSSTcorp
Type: CDW/DVD
Model: TS-L462D
Accurate Stream: YES
Caching: YES
C2 Error Info: YES
Overread: ?
Sample Offset: READ +6, WRITE +30
Firmware ?

This does not work.

What works is: Read=0, Write=0.
With Test CD made on Gateway Desktop, Combined value is +36.
With Test CD made on Acer, Combined value is 0.
By compare, offset 0 works.

-----------------------------------------------

Desktop: Gateway Profile 5


The Desktop has a Hitachi-LG GCC-4241N ???
Nero 6
EAC
Burrrn

My Gateway Profile 5

HL-DT-ST RW/DVD GCC-4241N OP34

Manufacturer: HL-DT-ST (Hitachi-LG??)
Type: RW/DVD
Model: GCC-4241N
Accurate Stream: YES
Caching: No
C2 Error Info: YES
Overread: ?
Sample Offset: READ +102, WRITE +30, Combined: +132
Firmware: ?

READ OFFSET: +102
WRITE OFFSET: +30

This works. (+102, +30) Compared.

Results also confirmed by Test CD made on Gateway.
However, Test CD made on Acer gives +96 combined.


Very odd.
RamonSalazar
Manufacturer - PIONEER
Type - DVD-RW
Model - DVR-212D
Accurate Stream - YES
Caching - YES
C2 Error Info - NO
Read Command - MMC 1
Gap Detection Mode: A, Secure
Read Offset Correction - +48
Overread - NO
HTOA - YES
Write Offset - +18
Write UPC/ISRC - YES
Write CD-Text - NO
Firmware - 1.24
Moitah
Samsung SH-S223Q
Firmware: SB01
Caching: No
Accurate Stream: Yes
C2 Error Info: Yes
Read Offset Correction: +6
Gap Detection Mode: A
Overread: Don't think so, only checked for the lead-out
HTOA: Yes -- HOWEVER, EAC reports a timing problem a few seconds before track 1 index 1, and when I compared the rip to the same one I'd done with my Pioneer DVR-111D (which unfortunately doesn't want to read CDs anymore sad.gif), there were 25 frames of digital silence at that area.
Other observations: Seems to read catalog numbers okay. ISRCs, on the other hand, are a bit messed up. For example, it reads "SC]QF0703807" when it should be "SEVGT0703807" -- the text part is wrong but the numbers are correct.

EDIT: I figured out how to get a perfect copy of the HTOA with CDex, see 6 posts down.

Also, I discovered that the ISRCs can be read properly with CDRDAO (which you probably already have in your EAC folder). Run "cdrdao scanbus" from the command prompt and copy your device number (e.g. "2,0,0"). Then run "cdrdao read-toc --device 2,0,0 mytoc.txt" (replace "2,0,0" with your device number) and it will scan the disc and write all TOC information including ISRCs to a text file. This also works on my Lite-On SHM-165P6S which doesn't normally read ISRC's properly either.
greynol
QUOTE(Moitah @ Oct 9 2008, 21:01) *
HTOA: Yes -- HOWEVER, EAC reports a timing problem a few seconds before track 1 index 1, and when I compared the rip to the same one I'd done with my Pioneer DVR-111D (which unfortunately doesn't want to read CDs anymore sad.gif), there were 25 frames of digital silence at that area.

Sounds like a "no" to me. wink.gif
Moitah
QUOTE(greynol @ Oct 10 2008, 00:11) *

Sounds like a "no" to me. wink.gif

Well, it's better than nothing. It did manage to get the other 2 minutes bit-for-bit correct, and the only 2 CDs I have with music in the HTOA go to analog silence by 2 seconds before track 1 index 1. But that's not good enough for perfectionists like me tongue.gif.
greynol
Well maybe it is a yes. What happens when you try in Secure mode?

Also, when you mention the ability to overread, you said you only checked for the lead out. Did you try EAC's built-in test? It is included with the test to detect the read sample offset correction.
Moitah
I still get that bit of silence in secure mode, EAC shows a sync error and tries to reread.

I couldn't find a CD for EAC's offset test. I used to have one but I'm not sure where it went, I'll look tomorrow. I tested by using CD where I know the last track has non-zero samples up to (and past) the end, but I end up with 6 samples of silence at the end even with the overread option checked.
greynol
Any old disc should do for that test. EDIT: or new disc, pardon my figure of speech. smile.gif

What happens when you try to rip the HTOA disc as an image or as a range that also includes the rest of the first track?

EDIT2: This makes me wonder your sync error is a bug with EAC. Have you tried dBpoweramp?
Moitah
EAC's offset test says "None" for overread.

dBpoweramp reports a read error also and aborts ripping the rest of the track.

Back to EAC, I tried extracting a range that included index 1 of track 1 also, which didn't help. I noticed that the location of the silence was slightly different (by ~10 frames) as well as the duration (25 vs 21 frames) depending on whether burst mode or secure mode was used. It was consistent, such that any 2 burst rips would always turn out the same, for example. Then I tried unchecking the "Drive is capable of retrieving C2 error information" box, and for the first disc this still resulted in 21 frames of silence (although again in a slightly different but consistent location). When I tried the second disc the whole thing came out bit-identical to the rip I'd done on my Pioneer drive biggrin.gif!

So I kind of figured that the drive was behaving differently around this area depending on which sector reading started at. Then I thought to try CDex, which with default settings had some silence also. I looked through the options, where I noticed that the number of sectors per read was configurable. I changed it to 1, and sure enough it was able to read the HTOA on both discs identical to my Pioneer rips biggrin.gif.

I'll describe what has to be done in CDex for any others with this drive since it's not quite straightforward. First, in the drive settings, uncheck "Enable Jitter Correction" and set "Read Sectors" to 1. Then select "Extract a section of the CD" from the Convert menu. Make sure the Start Position and Stop Position are set to the first track. Now, for the Start Position, it has to be set to a negative value, but CDex won't allow you to type this in normally. However, if you type a negative number in Notepad or something, you can paste it into CDex. Just come up with a negative number longer than the length of the HTOA, e.g. one of mine was a bit over 2 minutes, so I typed -3 in Notepad, then copy and paste that into the minutes area of the Start Position. You can leave seconds/frames at 0. For the Stop Position which is inclusive like EAC, you'd want it to be 0 min 0 sec -1 frames normally for the rip's length to be correct. However, since CDex doesn't support sample granularity for offset correction, you can set the Stop Position to 0 min 0 sec 0 frames to get some extra samples. Click OK and it should rip fine. Then you can correct the offset by trimming 6 samples from the beginning and 582 samples from the end in an audio editor.

I wonder if Andre or spoon would be willing to add an option for the number of sectors per read...
ssjkakaroto
Hi guys, do you know if any new drive can overread into the lead out? My only drive that could do it is dead so now I'm trying to buy a new one.

Thanks in advance
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