wow! there's some serious tension going on here...
I don't understand all that fuss...there have been various "EncSpot" projects in the past, but MQM was the only one with at least some usefulness...development was slow but still all credit goes to Gambit...no doubts there...

Now, someone picks up on that code and improves and makes it more usefull...and hopefully I won't have to use 2 programs for audio analysing anymore...

AI is still released under the same license, so Gambit or someone else could just take the source, implement some function that allows you to order pizza, call it Mr. Audio Man and add an even bigger donation link...

Gambit probably wasn't fully aware of what it means to release software under LGPL and I truly hope that he'll get over it and isn't upset anymore...however, I do understand how he feels...most people that will donate money don't know all that stuff about different branches, they just download the program, are amazed by it, see the donation link and donate money for the project without realizing that it is just based on someone elses code...

Anyway, I hope that AI will remain free and open source...there have been many projects that were promissed to be free just to get people to report bugs and submit ideas for new features...one example is the forum software used at HA...I wonder how they can survive and keep paying there bills for hosting, programmers and support if they just charge a one time fee, but that's a different story

Yay, this expands to an IPB war now. I should call Rikki and the others and then grab more popcorn...

Honestly people, stop behaving like 3-year-olds who are crying and rolling on the floor because somebody took their lolly.

~reconsiders idea of making another fork of this project~

I am in a pretty good mood today....

So I might consider a freeware "audio analyzer?" thingy not a fork of anything just a rather basic thingy...
an explorer tree on the left, a grid on the right with a few columns, support for all formats + mp4 support , export to xml,html,xls,txt,m3u,pls, parametric color coding based on bitrate and tag usage, a bottom level panel displaying the contents and version of the tags used + album art if it exists in the tag , if not read a .jpg/.png/.bmp/.gif from the same folder.. this should take a couple of days to put together.

Glad to see you've cheered up jtclipper

What are you saying, exactly... that you'd like to see Miriam add these features into Audio Identifier? Or are you proposing a completely different project that uses some of the code from MQM/AI?

Your idea does sound nice. Would it be possible, maybe for you to also add such features into your excellent "The Godfather" program?

TGF already contains those features, what it lacks is TTA support coming soon and full wma support coming not so soon.
But because TGF is rather large and complicated for many people maybe is a good idea to release a simplistic sidekick as a read only/quit view thingy of audio formats and tags.

peace

People seem to have hostility to anything commercial (even in the smallest sense - a paypal donate). What they don't realize is things cost in the real world. For Miriam to write these additions he has to spend money (computer, compiler?, internet, hosting, electricity...). A paypal donate is an offer of intention for the work to continue, in a funny sort of a way Miriam *might* make more money if he was to take the time he has put into his Audio program and instead spend it working in McDonalds flipping burgers, so say again who is stealing from who?

And to be clear (especially to those that have said 'he can have his donate when he adds xyz') - you do not have to pay to use his program and there is nothing to stop anyone taking his fork and changing it (removing all paypal donates), or adding those features mentioned using YOUR time (although I doubt they would as most are all talk - whingers).

Gambit mentioned he did not have paypal in his country, he might have been surprised if he put a wish list of hardware / software items that would help him continue his work that such items might have just arrived from those who appreciate his work (as is often done buy open source developers).

I have written LGPL programs (they are on sf.net) and donated hardware items requested to the developers of such programs that I appreciate.

Oh yeah... now that I'm more awake, I've realized that what you've described basically is TGF. Wouldn't you just have to strip out features like the music database, and the different types of rename/tagging/editing views to convert TGF to a more "slimline" application, like what you suggested?

The basic difference, as far as what I can tell, is that TGF is an editing program for tags, and you see a need for a program with similar capabilities, that is optimized more for viewing such data. Is this somewhat correct?

hmm yes maybe you are right why get rid of 20 000 lines of code to end up with something like that.
Maybe I will cooperate with someone to spice up their app...

Am I right in thinking that there are now 4 programs that all do basically the same thing - Mr Question Man, Audio Identifier, The Godfather and encspot? By this I mean they all use the same sort of detection engine to work out what something is encoded with, plus a boatload of similar code to decode compressed files etc etc?

In which case wouldn't the whole scene benefit from everyone collaborating a bit on this code? I don't give a flying fuck if Mr Questionman has funny dialog boxes, or if Audio Identifier has achieved conscious thought due to rapid development. Hell, write a variant with skins that the idiots with breast-like winamp window designs can go to town on. But surely we can all agree on a common detection engine? Or am I being thick?

Apologies if i've missed the point, but i've been on the beer.

+5 points for humour

You've got a point though. Wouldn't the world be a wonderful place if everyone could just get along and work together towards a common goal?

Where is Feltzkrone when we need him?

he realy realy doesn't seem to show any further interest, as he is still coming here from time to time, not posting.
he was last active on the 21st of march...

Hmmm no need to cry
We all know that encspot gives away the code we all have it and yes it can compile even in Delphi. The minor problem is that it is too slow as it scans a huge amount of frames and we all know that as well, so I had no intention on using it on a hardcore tagging program like TGF.
Also I am not so sure I want to go ahead and use code from another program ( not a component like ATL is ).
So maybe you can use encspot as is, anyway it is miles away from any other effort in detailed analysis and even if it supports only mp3 so what? the vast majority of compressed audio out there is mp3, moreover ogg and mpc are more or less made with standard binaries so no need for such a deep analysis.
Lossless hmmm I think no analysis makes too much sense unless you want to compare formats or experiment with settings ..maybe ?

Have you even looked at what Feltzkrone was coming up with?

Okay... fill me in. Who's this Felzkrone dude?

http://www.hydrogenaudio.org/forums/index....topic=11785&hl=

Duhh.. yes

Enspot was based on Shibata's mp3guessenc's source code

The source code comes with the free EncSpot Console:

http://www.guerillasoft.co.uk/encspot/download.html

http://www.guerillasoft.co.uk/encspot/EncS...onsole_2.01.zip