I wanted to have more changes in this version, but I've been busy with other things. And I couldn't/didn't want to wait any longer, so here it is. If nothing else, the annoying P4 bugfix is a good reason for the release.

Changes from 1.12:
- fixed problems running on fast P4 machines
- added an "Add" button
- fixed some bugs (sorry I can't remember, it's been too long )
- donations are now accepted

http://www.burrrn.net/

Thanks for all the work on this excellent burning program! And since you are now accepting donations, I'm gonna send something your way

EDIT: I did have one question about the program. How does it parse the incoming filename for CD-TEXT use? Is it "artist - title"?

great, thanks! your work is much appreciated

btw, the website still says 1.12
didn't refresh.

awsome. thanks gambit. its a great program. just a minor feature request for the future, how about supporting embedded cue sheets? and what about offset correction? regardless, thanks a million.

why isn't this thread made an announcement on the slpash page?

Thanks Gambit!

Although I only burn audio cds from time to time, I like Burrrn's clear and intuitive interface!

Thanks Gambit - my all time favorite freeware!!

Donation is on the way...

I must be some kind of moron ...

even clearing the browser cache, the cookies and refreshing the website does not show 1.13 but 1.12 ...

can somebody post a direct link to 1.13 ?

http://www.burrrn.net/burrrn_package.exe
and
http://www.burrrn.net/burrrn_exe.zip

Thanks, but these two links just point me to 1.12 download (as burrrn info and the changes.txt file states after installing) ...

then Gambit must've replaced the files for some reason. I don't think they ever had '1.13' in the file names (not the for the stable releases anyway).

that's really strange... I can confirm however that the files are indeed 1.13.
if you want, I can send them your way.
maybe some ISP or router issue?

edit: removed cache comment

You must be hitting some kind of cache. Maybe you'r ISP's? Anyho, check your PM for an alternate URL.

Yes, it was just a simple workaround for wav files because they don't have tags. I want to make it configurable in the future.



Offset correction will definitely be added. I'm not a fan of embedded cue sheets, but people seem to use them so I guess I will have to add support for them eventually.



You must be still connecting to the old server. I paid for it till the end of april, so it's still online with the old files.

And thanks to everybody for the donations. It feels great to be recognized for all the work. I'm flattered.

Great to see Burrrn is still alive :) Thx Gambit!!

Minor feature request:
-Burrrn can't handle subindexes > INDEX 01

for example Burrrn can't handle this :
FILE "02 - Funky Tonk.wav" WAVE
TRACK 02 AUDIO
TITLE "Funky Tonk"
PERFORMER "Miles Davis"
INDEX 01 00:00:00
INDEX 02 06:17:25
INDEX 03 07:36:00
INDEX 04 08:26:50

subindexes 02 to 04 disappear when burning with Burrrn, while all is fine when burning with EAC.

Handling of subindexes is the only feature I need to make the def. switch :) (fortunately my LG drive doesn't need write offset, but it would be great to see it implemented so I can spread the word even louder about this great program :)

Thanks again Gambit!

Gambit,

Does 1.13 allow for 48kHz input files?

Yeah, you're right. I will add that in the next version.



And that too. I'm finally starting the long planned rewrite this week, so I can properly implement some 1337 features like offset corrected writing, resampling, splitting on 588 samples etc.

YAY! looking forward to this

You're just way too good to us.

Great!!
and SBE handling is such good news! I wasn't expecting it... Burrrn ya'll !!

does Burrrn support on the fly decoding and all cd-text features?
and can it process the non-compliant cue sheets (gaps at end) from EAC?
thanks

Great ! So what about adding a custom artist for VA records, and direct gap editing?

The Cue editor doesnot work for me.
I would like to see there more record & track metadata like ISRC, catalog number.
Cut off non-ascii characters from CD-Text !

Hi Gambit ! I get a PX-716A and was unable to use cue sheets with EAC or Nero. I could have bought Plextools XL but the cost is prohibitive in Canada with the money exchange.
Someone on a Forum at EAC suggests your Burrrn as a way to succeed in burning cue. I tried it and it is terrific: it works perfectly well and I am just at the beginning of the discoveries. I am sure I will find more and more interesting features.
So, I've just sent a donation via Paypal. Considering our low value money compared to Euro, I hope it will be OK.
Thank you very much.

Wow, amazing free tool! Unfortunately I am missing the on-the-fly decoding and burning of .cue and compressed files like in Easy CD-DA Extractor, which is worth to check out too. (Unfortunately the Ezcd is not free...

Have you considered dropping of directories? Could be a nice feature being able to drag & drop directories if it isn't too hard to implement....

Hello Gambit!

Just a minor remark! I'm very picky about the media I use, so most of the time I use Taiyo Yuden coated discs, or Black Memorex or Black Traxdata (all have different coats) and one thing... I don't really know how many things add up to a cd sounding as it does (I guess everything...) but I experinced VERY GOOD SOUNDING results with ordinary Memorex (CMC Magnetics) media even with 2nd copies (the disc was copied from a copy) borderig on the sound quality of EAC burns, if not even better at times. Congratulations! I guess not too many people have achieved such results. Keep up the good work! One more thing: Does it make a difference if use SPTI or ASPI under Win2k or XP? Still: I don't really know much about the replaygain functions so I prefer to leave all the fields blank. I have just burnt a cd and realized that Dither was turned (by default - with medium noise shaping) on in ReplayGain functions. I burned cds with it turned on before now I have switched it off. Is it something worthy of note? - Sorry, maybe stupid question, or I should have read the posts or the documentation... CUESheet editor is great, too.

Thanks

Gabor

U.i.: If all the goodies you've talked about will be included in the next version...Man, it will beat every audio cd burning software out there - possibly not EAC, but anyway....

*scratching the disk with a sharp knive on the outer region has produced the best sound for me so far. the sound is more crispy and the slight crackling adds up to your listening pleasure. be carefull to only do this during full moon though, otherwise the disk will sound worse.*
http://replaygain.org/

I still like to throw my discs in the dishwasher.

No offence Digga, dreamliner77, but I have been through conversations like this and have no intention to continue them here, so would you mind stopping being ironic and sarcastic. It's not what I think of good recorded sound that matters but what I wanted to say about this proggie, my experince, regardless of what you think of so-called audiophile loonies, believe me, I'm not one of them, just wanted to say that whatever your recording needs you should be picky of the media you use, too.

well, if you post something it's only natural that others will comment on it anyway, no offence meant here either.
it seems that we agree on media beeing important. but I can only see that it is important in terms of durability and life (i.e. how soon the disk is going to die if handled well). I never noticed a difference in soundquality with the brands I use and I find it highly unlikely for others to notice such things appart from placebo.
and besides have a look at the TOS sometimes.

Thanks for pointing out these principles (TOS) to me to 'separate fact from fiction' :-)
However, I seriously think there is a very big difference between non-sense audiophile concerns and audible differences in sound (which I do believe exist!)...otherwise I think the guidelines are just fine and you have a point there...

Cheers

If you could do some listening tests with different types of blank CDs and upload your results for all to see we'd be most grateful. If you actually hear a diff between different CDRs then that would be useful for all to know. However, I would be very surprised if you'll hear a difference.

Anyway, still not sure about replaygain. If the only thing it does is to equalize track volumes (compared to each other if I get it right, not within the track itself), which I usually avoid then thanks, it's not for me! If it does something else, what then? Is it used primarily for mp3 replay (playback after encoding), or is it more complex than that? Help me with that, please!

Thanks in advance

Sorry pal, I don't really know what you mean, besides I'm not very good at stuff like that (analysing results and posting them). So, how can I post my results if what you hear can be utterly subjective, nobody can doubt that. And if I write down what I heard while listening to different kinds of media would provoke nothing but loud laughter from your part to say the least. It needs some explanation: I think and believe that what you actually hear is not what you measure with different test programs. That is why posting something that cannot be justified only experinced on a highly subjective basis is not what would seem a good enough evidence. What you mean maybe is to post my measured results which guarantee nothing about what you hear only what can be measured. For the sake of avoiding subjective off-the-forum-principles posts, I suggest that we take my note about choosing media and all a side-track which has nothing to do with the basic inspiration for my posting. If, however, I still have questions about Burrrn, I will continue to ask them here.

G

Just to go public with something I contacted Gambit about by e-mail, I will stop using Nero for audio burning and switch to Burrrn, just as soon as Burrn can handle the adjustment and/or elimination of the gap between tracks.

At that point I would also seriously consider donating.

Regards,
Madrigal

Ok pal.

Read these:
What is an audio blind test?
and
ABX defined via HA.org wiki

I certainly do not want this thread to go off it's topic any more than it has, so I will not post any more about ABX etc here. If you have any other questions / concerns etc about testing of audio post a new thread and I'm sure the HA.org community will be more than willing to help.

Gabor,

Good conclusion. Imagine that everybody would post untestable nonsense. This would turn this site as useless as any other hifi sites, which are full of bull***t and useless statements. This is why this site is different. If you cannot back up your claims, which are indeed laughable because if I rip those CD-s they become bit identical, then you probably want to keep quiet about them.

Triza

Hey!

jaybee thanks for the support and the links I haven't read them yet but they may provide very useful. Triza, I completely agree with your point, although I myself know a couple of guys who are like this. I don't like it when they are offensive about what they think is obvious. You have to experince things for yourself. That's the big idea - for me at least!

G

Madrigal, I have had no problems with gaps using Burrrn, as one of the guys pointed it out in the forum the program doesn't append 2-second gaps even when not burning from a cue-sheet.
Hav you produced cds with gaps on them using Burrrn?

G

What about this function? Is it implemented? I can't find an option for it in burrrn 1.13.

Holy thread resurrection Batman! I have moved your post to this thread, no need to bump a one year old topic.

Anyway, as I explained in my posts, that function had to be postponed. It will be in the next version, but don’t ask me when that will be. My brain is not working in this damn hot weather.

Thank you VERY much for posting this !

No, I have not produced CD's with gaps using Burrrn. I had been so used to Nero's 2-second gap as the default, that it never even occurred to me that Burrrn's default mode might be no gap, and for some reason I had never actually checked to find out.

But you are right. Today I checked a CD I recently made for my wife using Burrrn, and indeed there are no gaps between the tracks.

This opens up several new possibilities for me, and once again I thank you for posting.

Regards,
Madrigal

Meh, this just shows that I really need to write a proper documentation or FAQ.

if you want me to, I would gladly volunteer to start writeing a basic FAQ which covers some questions I could think of.
to make the pretty little pagessss even more precioussss

hrmpf, it's 5:45 in the moring and I'm drunk and what else not listening to DeadRinger...
so before getting some sleep I might aswell present my (very basic) atempts here now

FAQ

Q: do I have to mess with any of the settings prior to using Burrrn?
A: most of the settings are fine out of the box for most users. the options should be pretty much forward and uderstabdable.

Q: what is this ReplayGain stuff I see there?
A: in short ReplayGain is a method to make individual songs sound equally loud (trackgain) or tracks on an album get closer to a choosen value (albumgain). the default value is 89dB. for further question see http://replaygain.org/

Q: I want to create an audio CD. how do I do that?
A: just drag 'n drop the files you want to burn into the tracklist window or use the add button. hit the Burrrn button if ready and wait for the CD to finish.

Q: I want to burn my MP3s, FLACSs etc on CD. is Burrrn the right tool for me?
A: most probably yes. Burrrn is able to decode most common codecs out there, including MP3, ogg Vorbis, AAC and most lossless formats.

Q: is Burrrn able write CD text?
A: yes. that way you can see artist and track information on you CD player's display.

Q: why should I use Burrrn and not some other programm to burn my CDs?
A: you don't have to. however Burrrn is very lightwight, supports many audio codecs, is simple to use yet powerfull and best of all: it's free!
it can't make you see into the future or wash your car but it does what it should very good: to burn audio CDs.


<if needed: step by step tutorial how to burrn a CD and how to set up Burrrn, explaining all the options.>

someone else would have to cover the CUEsheet editor.


hope that helps, it's at least a beginning.

Oh my god, sure! You are most welcome. I will... eh... give you... eh... I can send you a pic of me where I perform the happy dance. In return, I'm sure that will motivate you.

Edit: Digga works at the speed of light. I see the pic will not be necessary.

Edit2: Oh my, drunk at 5:45 on a wednesday. Wow, even I could learn from that...

yay, the happy dance! I will be very very blue if I don't get it, so you better start the dance
edit:first you made me write this stressing article and now you want to rob me off my pic?
edit2:it's 'uni night' here every wednesday and I have passed an important examn. plus I saw a red car today. all very good reasons to have some fun

OK, OK, you deserve it. You know what? I'll be extra generous and I even show you a video. It's archived material from one certain "party". There must have been a lot of red cars outside that night.
I won't embarrass myself in front of the whole HA, so the link is in your PM. Enjoy.

heh, very generous of you
if you need a more detailed runtrough(on burrn that is) (though it's really very much straight foreward) let me know.
sleep, sweet sleep.

There is a new beta that adds support for embedded cuesheets in wavpack, ape and flac:
http://www.burrrn.net/stuff/Burrrn_1.14beta.rar