What I did was rip the video portion of my disc with DVD Decrypter, rip the DVD-Audio portion with dvdaripper.exe, made an ISO out of it, and mounted it.

Since the "disc" is protection free PPCMripper should have no problems.

But DVDaripper changes the large AOBs to tracks of MLP files, and WinDVD only can playback AOBs through IFO files, so how exactly does it work?

I don't know what you were doing with DVDAripper, but I ended up with a directory full of unprotected AOBs.

DVDAExplorer is what changes them to MLPs.

Oops, sorry for the mixup.

I don't believe this DVD-A im trying to rip is CPPM protected, there is no DVDAUDIO.MKB in the Audio_TS directory, and the few tries I've done with dvdaripper have been unsuccessful, but ppcmripper rips 2ch waves just fine.

Next Question...

When you convert a Multichannel wav file to Nero AAC using foobar and foo_nero, does it have the correct channel order?

Edit: On another note, I just went to three different music stores. None stock DVD-Audio or SACD. I guess that says alot about the long term future of these formats.

No, you'll probably have to. The Audigy 4 and Audigy 2 ZS are identical except for the DACs.

I was able to rip an entire retail DVD-Audio to 5.1 WAV and transcode them to FLAC. Metallica - Metallica (Black Album) if anyone was wondering which album.

Edit: Here is a grab from Audition of Enter Sandman...



And here is Sad But True...

http://it.slashdot.org/it/05/07/06/1740206.shtml

Here we go...

Here's a Slashdot comment linking to this thread. I had to link back to it. It was just too priceless. Yay for massive recursive linkfesting.

Oh bugger

EDIT: That was my post on slashdot btw...

So, what are folks using to burn the AUDIO_TS directory?

Above, someone made an ISO with the VIDEO_TS and AUDIO_TS directory; I know Nero doesn't recognize AUDIO_TS -- is there anything that anyone else has been successful with besides Gear Pro?

It's gonna be one of them weeks, isn't it, Roberto.

Anyhoo:

I'm starting to wonder about watermarks. I wonder what'll happen if I re-watermark the watermarked audio. (I do have access to the Verance embedder.) This may cause an audible change, though I don't think we're going to be able to get rid of the watermark without screwing with the audio. The whole Verance thing is unfortunate.

At least for stereo 24/96, what you can do is create an LPCM DVD-V; most modern DVD-V players support this, and it sounds quite nice. (Even 192/24 'half sampled'). The watermark muting doesn't seem to engage: YMMV. (Even if your DVD-V player has a 192/24 dac -- some do now -- I believe the 192/24 LPCM rate is above the maximum data rate for the DVD-V spec anyways.)

Anyone have any other ideas about playback methods or venues? I could certainly see, after Creative releases their x.Fi, or using one of the other 192/24 cards on the market, you could make one hell of a high rez 'hard drive music server' out of a stack of DVD-A's.

Of course, that is, if 1) they keep producing DVD-A's after this and 2) any new versions of WinDVD become compromised and the big one 3)if the Recording Industry doesn't come down on InterVideo with the force of five thousand gods and the fire of a million suns.

I believe that #3 will occur, and it'll be so loud and violent you'll be able to hear it from space.

I actually used Gear Pro Mastering Edition, and saved the disc to HD. Mounted the .DV1 file using Daemon Tools and ripped from there using PPCMRipper.

DiscWelder Chrome II

Supports Wave, AIFF, MLP, and DSD DFF files.

seanyseansean: If you linked to RW directly, you would have had my design slashdotted (and Dibroms CSS goodness of course), that would have been cool.

Well, it's still up. Fantastic!

Ruairi

Haha. So here is the HomeBoy guy. Hello, IceDragon.



The dude that proposed that I host these tools at RW told me he can actually hear the watermark clumps in the middle of the music. So, if you rewatermark them, it's likely you'll only make quality worse :-P



Yes, that's indeed a good idea. I'm pretty sure DVD-V players can't detect Verance watermarking. (maybe DVD-a/DVD-v hybrids can?)



Thei invested millions of dollars on DVD-A already. It would be easier and cheaper to make an scapegoat out of me and skin me alive.



Even if Intervideo makes their player unpatcheable, you can always count on old versions. The only risk is that discs being pressed from now on might refuse WinDVD's decrypting key.



Unlikely. What's Intervideo's fault if some russian hacker (always russians! These guys rock) managed to reverse engineer parts of their code? It's not like encrypting their code would be of much help if the guy is a professional hacker (and, considering the stunt he pulled, I would suppose he is)



I don't know... I can't see why IV must be punished because of this whole mess. And I don't see how could they have avoided it either.

Several articles are linking directly to RareWares. No worries, man

Excellent, lets distribute these from our free countries.

Hehe. Well, I'm not confident on brazilian freedom that much these days. Standing up against Dolby regarding patents is one thing. Standing up against the RIAA regarding copy protection circumvention is another one, and much more serious.

If I receive a C&D letter, I'll immediately comply and take the binaries down. After all, I have nothing to gain being stubborn, and the files have been spread enough by now...

Identifying the exact timing and location of these would be ... interesting. For one, to hear it. For another, to see what we could do with them.

Hmm. Any chance of any further/newer versions before that happens?

Ahhh... now you're talking!



I'm not the developer, dude. Let's wait and see if he gifts us with another version soon.

So let me guess, the only way to rip this is to have a Audigy 2 card?

Nope, the soundcard is irrelevant.

Working on this now. I have to run the Verance embedder in VMWare, since it actually is from a few years ago, and only likes to function under NT4, so it's kind of a bitch. But the first step here is to subtract watermarked audio from its original PCM, and see if we can find some sort of pattern.

The embedder has about five levels from weak to strong, so am starting at strong; not sure if this alters frequency or actual 'convolution', or what.



I know you aren't Wise too, to make that very clear

Uhh, Nero will burn it just fine. You just make a DVD-Video compilation and drag the dvdaripper output into the AUDIO_TS it makes.

According to the guy that recommended me to host it at RW, DVD-As burned with Nero won't work on most players. The order in which the files are burned is important in DVD-A, and Nero - at least the version he has - doesn't know about this order.

That's why Gear is so strongly recommended in the readme.

I found the original Russian pages in Google's cache and used an online translator to translate it to english:

http://www.online-translator.com/url/tu_bo...6ipcountry%3DUS

http://www.online-translator.com/url/tu_bo...6ipcountry%3DUS

Hope this helps

Doesn't work here. The translator header keeps being repeated down the screen.

Also, the original russian page was located here:
http://dvdaripper.narod.ru/ (the developer pulled it down in face of the recent bru-ha-ha)

It didn't require translation.

...and it's gone

I got a phone call from a big local lawyer office (no fake, I checked the caller ID and the phone number really belongs to a lawyer office). They have been hired to make me stop distributing the DVD-A tools. It was a reasonably big talk, but I can summarize it with

They: we are giving you two choices, either you remove all references to those tools from your site now, or we'll have to take you to court.

Me: I'm already removing!

They: Thank-you for your cooperation.


Oh, well. It's been fun. I'm amazed at how well it spread in these two days (!), and I'm sure from now on you'll be able to find those tools in countless mirrors, p2p and the like.

Shine on!

R.

You did your best Roberto, nicely done.

and another chapter in the DRM book passes.

joey_m

This is due to that fact, that signal and spectrum are digital.
Example:
Signal
__|______|______|
2Khz___3Khz___4Khz

Get a spectrum when every bar is at every 2Khz
What it will be ?
May be this:

________|______|_________
0Khz___2Khz___4Khz___6Kh

No.
This answer is wrong for digital representation.


Right answer will be:

=======|=====|=======
|_______|______|_______|
0Khz___2Khz___4Khz___6Kh

This is an effect of every frequency that has no exactly it's spectrum
counterpart to add a bit to every frequency in the spectrum.
So, digital spectrum can have any representation, even such a strange...

BTW:
Synaptic Line Noise, what you searched in google for ?
This freaking translator do not work, while I can read russian extremely well (because I'm russian ) so it would be interesting to see that article...

EDIT: ASCI graphs aren't my strongest talent

If you look at this spectrum analysis it looks kind of like the the content above 24000 kHz is a mirror of everything below 24000 kHz
picture link

Ummm.. I'd assume that the windowing was done correctly.

Interesting...
This can be a mastering trick...

Meet Mr. Aliasing.

Hmm, so I guess the question now is if it was mastered that way or if it's WinDVD that introduces it.

My advice would be to test it on Metallica. These guys are always use new tech tricks. They even sell their songs in flac

EDIT: By the nature of this tools it can be the wrong samplerate selected too...

I suspect Intervideo will be contacted and asked to patch their software lest their unique key that is used to decrypt the MKB be blacklisted and prevented from decrypting future titles. Actually, they may blacklist it and assign a new one anyway to force people to upgrade to a patched version if they want to play newer titles.

I'm just wondering when using the method to copy DVD-Audio, is it exactly bit for bit perfect?

Compared to copying CD audio, some drives can and some can't copy audio bit for bit perfect. Thanks.

Here is what I got on a scan of Enter Sandman in Audition...



Doesn't quite look like the one posted earlier by markanini.

Hm. Doesn't seem to have much in the way of high-frequency content.... Looks like you could make it sound as good on a CD, to be honest. (Although you might miss out on 5.1 sound; is this recording multichannel?)

Yes, it is multichannel.

Groovie! http://www.heise.de/newsticker/meldung/61520

Cool.
I feel like experiencing a special moment in audio history...
Folks, especially cyaneyes (if you're still there): What about the mastering quality of DVD-As, now that you can analyse it in a wav editor ?

Jesus, these guys will end up making a martyr out of me

Now we'll have DVD Jon and DVD-A Roberto :-P

Hehe!

thank you very much roberto!

P.S. they've been pretty fast

No offense, but I'd rather think of DVD-A MaximA

I haven't tried it out, but I imagine it would. DVD-Audio, unlike CD-Audio, is stored as data on a DVD. Therefore it won't have the issues that CD-Audio streams have.