More musings on DVDA ripping....
I do the usual thing:
1) create repository folder(s) somewhere on my hard drive
2) load disc; check DVD-A stereo file format with WinDVD; then close WinDVD
3) run DVDAripper.exe to extract decrypted files to the folders I created
4) burn the extracted files to a DVD ISO image (I use CDBurnerXP Pro)
5) mount the image with DaemonTools
6) run PPCMripper.exe; select virtual drive and 'stereo' tracks in WinDVD (also make sure 96/24 decoding is active) ; save wavs
7) compress with FLAC; archive; play back with foobar2k
I've tried half a dozen now and have encountered various quirks and roadblocks. I should note too that thus far I've only been interested in making copies of the stereo tracks, for archiving on my hard disc jukebox.
Not interested in the video at all, though I sometimes have to grab that too (see below). Am a bit daunted by the prospect of archiving and playing multichannel audio, but that must happen eventually, as it's too convenient for me to pass up forever.
Reports on individual discs (usually referring to the stereo tracks only):
Steely Dan
Everything Must Go (192/24, though the packaging says 96/24) was my learning curve disc, but once I got the above pipeline running, I was able to grab it flawlessly...and to see that there is actually some 'bad' peak limiting (13 samples wide or more) on a Steely Dan release ! How times have changed....

Also, not much energy above 48 , just a few spikes.
Neil Young's
Harvest (192/24) also came off without a hitch. THis one has such a peculiar surround mix that I really just like it for the stereo remastering and the hilarious vintage documentary footage of NY and his barn. Btw, no peak limiting on the stereo tracks on this one; not even much evidence of compression. Pretty old school! And again, spectral view shows hardly any energy above 48 kHz in the stereo mix.
Yes
Fragile (96/24) -- as reported before, the surround tracks have been pretty obviously limited to a 24 kHz , even though they are formatted as 96khz sample rate. I can't imagine it matters much. The stereo tracks (also 96/24, despite the claim on the package of 192/24) have energy to 48 khz, but it's way down in level. Huge amounts of compression on this one (stereo) -- Roundabout is like a fuzzy brick for much of its length -- but no true flat peaks that I can see. Tips of peaks go right up to 0 dB instead. Looks very mcuh the same as what I got when I recorded the analog stereo output of the DVD-A to 96/24 wav via my M-Audio 2496 card.
Deep Purple
Machine Head (96/24). To get this one to work, I had to rip both the AUDIO_TS
and the VIDEO_TS folders and include them in the ISO image, maybe because you have to go through two damn graphics (one with sound) to get to the menus. Once I did that PPCMripper/WinDVD worked fine (even though WinDVD will NOT play the DVD-A section of the original disc itself, for some reason). Haven't really looked at the wavs for spectral content yet.
Talking Heads
Speaking in Tongues (DualDisc 96/24). This one stumped me for some time. As with
Machine Head, the DVD-A tracks from the disc won't play in WinDVD, but including audio and video folders in the ISO didn't fix it. All I get is a hissing noise from what should be music tracks. PPCMripper doesn't even try to rip them when I load the ISO. I finally realized that, according to WinDVD, the audio tracks aren't PPCM, they're LPCM (
Machine Head's read as PPCM, as do the Neil Young, Yes, and Dan tracks). So I'm probably SOL. The stereo Dolby Digital tracks are AC3; I mention this only because....
Al Green
Greatest Hits (48/24). THis disc is notorious in the DVD-A listening world for being badly authored. It stumped many an early DVD-A player, requiring creative navigation on the user's part to actually get it to play music. It stumps WinDVD 6 too, until you manuallyk navigate to Group 06, whereupon you can select from the stereo tracks. Why can I do this with Al Green but not Talking Heads? It seems to be because on the Al Green disc, the 48/24 stereo tracks are the ONLY stereo tracks; they're accessible from the DVD-V area too, along with DTS 5.1 and DD 5.1. THis is not necessarily a bad thing, it's just a confusing thing. But alas they are LPCM , not PPCM, so PPCM ripper refuses to even see them. I was able to grab them with DGIndex though. Not really sure it was worth it. (And yes, I then tried DGIindex on the Talking Heads image, and no, it didn't work for grabbing
those LPCM tracks).
Billy Cobham
Spectrum (96/24) -- this is a two-sided disc, one side is devoted to the Advanced Res Stereo tracks, making life easier...or not, since WinDVD refuses to play it correctly from the start. Digging into the navigation menu brings me to Group 04, track 7, which is the track selection menu. Oy vey, turns out the tracks are LPCM. At this point, I quit this disc to regroup and attack another day.
Queen
Night at the Opera ( 96/24 ) Another infamous nightmare disc (thank you so much, DVD-A makers, for never standardizing DVD-A authoring; it really keeps things interesting). Black screen after loading the disc; navigating to group 02 reveals the track list, which fortunately seems to be the STEREO tracklist, but it's a craphsoot whether anything will actually play (the first track link seems to work....but loads all 12 tracks as one long play) . And oh look, the tracks are LPCM, not PPCM, isn't that special. Save for tomorrow.
I note too that WinDVD seems to be cutting me off at 30 secs of play on various discs...not a good sign. Luckily it seems not to apply to ripping the AOBs from disc and .wavs from ISO images...