I guess the WinMX crew finally woke up to OGG Vorbis. I think this is the first filesharing program to support OGG & MP3, though I could be wrong. At least it's the first widespread fileshare program.

So... I guess some sorta celebration is in order? ^^

I noticed mpc has been included in 'other audio types' as well. Shame AAC/MP4 isn't there

I was not able to find any ogg's or mpc's.

Well then put your collection up. The more they find them the more people will like them.

Yes, and i think this is the key to success for Vorbis like it was for mp3. More people share music in Ogg's instead of MP3, more people see them and start to use Vorbis because they want to hear music they like.

Yes, but also Kazaa has no support for ogg, I find more oggs with it (once I searched for a song and I only found an ogg!) than with WinMX.

But Winmx is SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO Slow.

i think i'll wait for Kazaa

WinMX supports OGG since two versions already...
but I never was able to d/l any ogg file!

Ogg is technically TOP but about file sharing it isn't adopted yet!

Share more oggs and don't share any mp3's!

More people see and download ogg's, faster oggs spread around net and more oggs come to networks.

So we want to show how good ogg is in tearms of quality, and in tearms of size. So this begs the question: What file size(s)/Q-levels are you guys puting up?

I only encode at -q 6 or above .. Usually -q 8.25. Files are quite large, but I get the occasional download. . probably from people who are tired of the bullshit 128kbps mp3s, and want some high quality shit. If only there were more people like me..

I think this is way too much for sharing. For personal use, size doesn't matter but for sharing that's too much because most people don't have fast (and reliable) connections. I have 256kbs ADSL connection and downloading 192+ mp3's is still slow as speed can vary a lot depending on quality of my and uploaders connection, not to mention that 192kbs mp3's are pretty large anyway.

Have you thought of making smaller ogg's just for sharing only?

For normal listening, ogg's around 3 - 5 (112 - 160kbs) sound very good unlike MP3's. I think that 98% of the people who download music from p2p-networks, don't notice any difference, except that 128kbs ogg's sound better than 128kbs mp3's. More people download these lower bitrate ogg's, more they get interested on ogg's as they notice that they sound better that much larger MP3's.


Except for few encodes for my friends, i don't share oggs actively yet. But i've been testing it with different settings for the moment when i do. I have 1000+ cd collection and when i start encoding all albums, i want to sure that the setting which i use is "right" so i don't have to encode all again. I'm also waiting for Vorbis 1.1 which should fix high frequencies problem.

At the moment i use 4.5 with lowpass 18.5 which gives files bitrate around 128kbs. I've been thinking to raise level to 5 "just in case", this would give bitrates around 144kbs which i originally aimed for with level 4.5. That level may not be necessary, though. Friend of mine which normally encodes ogg's at level 6.25 (= 200kbs) didn't notice any difference compared to my 4.5 files with same music.

I'm not making special rips just for sharing... besides, low quality rips suck total @$$. I only download and share 256kbps or higher mp3s/oggs, or lossless (ape, flac, wav, aiff).. Screw all who want/share lower quality rips.

well.. there is a little ogg scene going around already... dont ask me where, lets say i know it from a 3rd party

anyway their quality standard is q5, but q6 is also allowed... i am sticking to those... which is fine for sharing also .....

there is one major problem tho... winmx's standard preferences only show mp3 as result.. you have to manually change the search criteria, which most people dont...

Hardware has to follow FIRST... many people download files to play in their portable player, right? Now, do you think Ogg is portable? I already suggested in another thread that we should FIRST lobby and push Hardware manufacturers to include Ogg in their Firmware asap. If a company like Creative adds Ogg support in a FW soon, things will change, believe me!!!

Why don't we setup a website for that purpose? People could could sign in and vote or each of them could send one e-mail to a couple of the big companies that sell digital players!!! Is that spamming? No, just lobbying!

Think these last posts are a bit off topic.
I haven't seen any good filesharing prog that had a lot of ogg files to download. Think this will come once people start sharing their ogg in stead of mp3 files. So we all can say and write a lot about ogg but if we're not sharing it will never be more popular than mp3.

have a nice day

guru

holkie:



Our friend Benjamin put up a petition for users to vote for Vorbis support in hardware players long ago. Unfortunately, we haven't really seen any great results from it yet...

Edit: The petition is here: http://www.petitiononline.com/vorb123/petition.html