Help - Search - Members - Calendar
Full Version: About a misleading page for Lame 3.97MMX
Hydrogenaudio Forums > Lossy Audio Compression > MP3 > MP3 - General
mathematician
Hello friends!

Just in some other thread I came to know about a page jthz.com/mp3

It's misleading. It offers download of Lame 3.97 MMX which isn't out yet.

Another thing is that files encoded with this version are reckognized by EncSpot, Mr Q.Man or AudioIdentifier as if they were encoded using 3.97 only, where as I doubt that they are using the alpha release code.

Rihtnow everybody knows that only alphas are there, but after release of actual 3.97, it can cause a problem as all these software are guessing it as 3.97 only

Now a Question
==========
Is this guessing because of lame tags? I mean what if I make my own version usin code of 3.90.3 and declare it as 3.96.1 using some techniq, nobody would realize it!

(
Of course that's why there is a recommended download thread pinned, but what about newcomers?

I'll give an example.

-> lame.sourceforge.net shows where to find binaries.
-> The second link is mitiok.cjb.net and it also states that another mirror is original russian site which points to jthz.com/~lame (mitiok's original page)
-> Now a person might think what is jthz, lets check out. From JTHZ.com, he surfs the site and finds a page jthz.cpm/mp3 where the downloadable version is 3.97 MMX along with how to use to achieve best quality
-> So now he is happy and downloads it!
-> He might forget that latest version is 3.96.1 only. Or he would think that some one didn't update it! These are speculations a newbie can do!

)
shadowking
I would have no problem recommending 3.97 to newbies. 3.90 is old, slow and not better than 3.97 (to me).

I am using 3.97 and will never touch 3.90 again. Remember Mppenc 1.15 is also -alpha-, Aotuv b4 is also not very tested..

I encoded 50 tracks with 3.97a10 -V4 --vbr-new. No quality problems so far and speed is demonic. The more 3.96 & 3.97 downloads the better.


I suppose you could email them and get them to add *stable* and *alpha* to the descriptions.
sh1leshk4
QUOTE (shadowking @ Jul 3 2005, 03:02 PM)
I would have no problem recommending 3.97 to newbies. 3.90 is old, slow and not better than 3.97 (to me).
*

The thing is, most of us already know 3.97 alpha 10.
But what is this 3.97 MMX?
mathematician
Edited:
=====

sorry if anybody hurt! i was just trying to say that there is an encoder out there which is not official. and just that the reply was not answer to my question.
Gambit
QUOTE (mathematician @ Jul 3 2005, 10:44 AM)
QUOTE (shadowking @ Jul 3 2005, 01:32 PM)
I would have no problem recommending 3.97 to newbies. 3.90 is old, slow and not better than 3.97 (to me).

I am using 3.97 and will never touch 3.90 again. Remember Mppenc 1.15 is also -alpha-, Aotuv b4 is also not very tested..

I encoded 50 tracks with 3.97a10 -V4 --vbr-new. No quality problems so far and speed is demonic. The more 3.96 & 3.97 downloads the better.


I suppose you could email them and get them to add *stable* and *alpha* to the descriptions.
*


JUST GREAT!

I POST ABOUT BEING AWARE THAT SOME PEOPLE ARE MAKING THEIR VERSIONS. THEY DONOT BELIEVE IN ABX. AND THEY SAY IT IS 3.97 MMX WHICH IS CERTAINLY NOT. EVEN GUESSING TOOLS ARE GUESSING THEM AS 3.97. I QUERY FOR ANSWER WHY THIS HAPPENS.

AND U R SUGGESTING THAT I SHOULD EMAIL THEM INFORMING WHAT THEY ARE DOIN IS NOT RIGHT. PLZ ADD ALPHA!

JUST GREAT!
*


Please stop screaming.
Madrigal
QUOTE (mathematician @ Jul 3 2005, 02:30 AM)
jthz.com/mp3
It's misleading. It  offers download of Lame 3.97 MMX which isn't out yet.
jthz.com/~lame

I am totally mystified by your post. I have tried numerous times at both the above links to find this mysterious compile of LAME 3.97 MMX you speak of, and cannot find it. All binaries are clearly marked as alpha 10, and produce mp3's that encspot recognizes as such.

What gives?

Regards,
Madrigal
mathematician
QUOTE (Madrigal @ Jul 3 2005, 03:48 PM)
QUOTE (mathematician @ Jul 3 2005, 02:30 AM)
jthz.com/mp3
It's misleading. It  offers download of Lame 3.97 MMX which isn't out yet.
jthz.com/~lame

I am totally mystified by your post. I have tried numerous times at both the above links to find this mysterious compile of LAME 3.97 MMX you speak of, and cannot find it. All binaries are clearly marked as alpha 10, and produce mp3's that encspot recognizes as such.

What gives?

Regards,
Madrigal
*



Dear Madrigal, I think u've tried jthz.com/~lame
But you didn't try jthz.com/mp3
It is a document titled
"Creating quality audio-files using Windows, L.A.M.E., Ogg Vorbis"
If you scroll through that page you'll find out what I meant

FYI: This lame is shipped with BlueRazorLame (?) software

OK! I'll Give you direct link

CODE
http://jthz.com/mp3/


CODE
http://www.knook.demon.nl/razorlamepack.exe For BlueRazorLame setup


OR
CODE
http://www.knook.demon.nl/razorlamepack.zip For Zip archive containing 3.97 MMX


And the image of encoder
mathematician
QUOTE (Gambit @ Jul 3 2005, 03:35 PM)
Please stop screaming.
*


Sorry! I thought it was a troll since I was talking about another issue and he was suggesting another thing.
Gecko
To answer your question, I am 99% sure that the version info is written to the LAME tag, on which Encspot & Co. rely. All you need is an editor and a compiler.

You'd have to use cryptographic methods to ensure authenticity.
mathematician
QUOTE (Gecko @ Jul 3 2005, 06:20 PM)
To answer your question, I am 99% sure that the version info is written to the LAME tag, on which Encspot & Co. rely. All you need is an editor and a compiler.

You'd have to use cryptographic methods to ensure authenticity.
*


But I did try disabling lame tag using -t switch. It still shows as Lame 3.97. Isn't there any way to expose this encoder?

shadowking
That jthz website is run by lunatics and there was already a warning here to avoid it (citay?). Just look at those pretty commandlines - how flattering !

In short - avoid that website or any site they link.
CiTay
QUOTE (shadowking @ Jul 3 2005, 03:09 PM)
That jthz website is run by lunatics and there was already a warning here to avoid it (citay?). Just look at those pretty commandlines - how flattering !

In short - avoid that website or any site they link.
*


That's pretty much correct. Julius, the guy responsible for that page, annoyed us with his "lamelines" since years ago on the r3mix.net forum and became the laughing stock of the forum and our chatrooms, due to his weird posts and recommendations. We also had a good time when Panos Stokas posted his listening test, which is linked from Julius' page.
Madrigal
Ok, thanks for showing me where to look.

Buried inside the razorlamepack.zip file linked on that page is the following about.txt file:

"LAME 3.97 Win32 CLI executable (based on alpha 10)

Compiled by Intel C++ 4.5 compiler and Netwide-assembler.
ACM compiled with MSVC 6.0 & NASM.

Modified and re-compressed with http://upx.sourceforge.net/
packed by <jultus@gmail.com> Targeted at the smart VBR user.

Please do not delete this file !"

This was the only place I could find alpha 10 mentioned, and I'm not sure if their installer version mentions it at all. Not much of a warning for newbies, as mathematician pointed out.

By all means, let's avoid that jthz website like the plague !

Regards,
Madrigal
Synaptic Line Noise
The "MMX" thing is merely telling you what CPU Features your CPU has!

CODE
CPU Features: MMX (ASM Used)
sven_Bent
QUOTE (Synaptic Line Noise @ Jul 3 2005, 09:41 PM)
The "MMX" thing is merely telling you what CPU Features your CPU has!

CODE
CPU Features: MMX (ASM Used)

*


try lookign at the line aobive which states the version as 3.97 MMX
CODE
LAME version 3.97 MMX (http://jthz.com/mp3)
robert
LAME is open source. the modification seems to be mainly done to the version info (ie jthz.com/mp3 instead of the original LAME link) and that info is written into the ancillary data section. tools look there to recognize the lame version.
2Bdecided
QUOTE (CiTay @ Jul 3 2005, 01:56 PM)
That's pretty much correct. Julius, the guy responsible for that page, annoyed us with his "lamelines" since years ago on the r3mix.net forum and became the laughing stock of the forum and our chatrooms, due to his weird posts and recommendations. We also had a good time when Panos Stokas posted his listening test, which is linked from Julius' page.
*


He's reached a new low - he's now catching links from HA and redirecting them to a page where he rants about it!

I particularly like the part that says 'We never follow results from "listening tests"' - like we hadn't guessed that already! :-)

Cheers,
David.
CiTay
QUOTE (2Bdecided @ Jul 4 2005, 01:28 PM)
QUOTE (CiTay @ Jul 3 2005, 01:56 PM)
That's pretty much correct. Julius, the guy responsible for that page, annoyed us with his "lamelines" since years ago on the r3mix.net forum and became the laughing stock of the forum and our chatrooms, due to his weird posts and recommendations. We also had a good time when Panos Stokas posted his listening test, which is linked from Julius' page.
*


He's reached a new low - he's now catching links from HA and redirecting them to a page where he rants about it!
*



Indeed. Well, let's stop linking to him then, shall we? Relevant links changed to non-clickable.

Heck, he even posted on HA once: http://www.hydrogenaudio.org/forums/index....15&t=10695&st=0 (Optimod). "delusions of grandeur".. did he trademark that phrase already? laugh.gif
mathematician
QUOTE (CiTay @ Jul 4 2005, 05:58 PM)
Indeed. Well, let's stop linking to him then, shall we?


Yes! That's true! By the way, those blue razorlame links remained clickable. I've changed that to codeboxes, because those links also points to that so called 97th version

Regards,
kl33per
QUOTE
As far as LAME goes, we sometimes recompile our own releases with adaptations based on different opinions about certain settings. Being frequent users, we do many tests with it based on personal taste and personal interpretations. This webpage is maintained by me, my cousin and Jaap de Jong. We all use LAME and MP3 professionally (that is to say, we release MP3 files not just for our own listening pleasure, and are also involved with broadcast-uses of it). The settings mentioned on this page are used for the audio WE encode, they apply to the choice of LAME release one can download from this page (and NO other). Specialized collected presets, like for example the "alt-presets" are called "alt" for a reason; They are alternatives, and tend to go wrong on new versions of LAME. Plus, we like to stay in control of ALL parameters, since we disagree with the trade-offs done for standardized presets. We never follow results from "listening tests", especially not those controlled by people who refuse(d) to let us take part in it (using pathetic IP-blocks and the likes, two can play that game), i.e. everybody involved with (or strongly siding with) certain webfora that feel the need to call all of our writing "misinformation" - stay away from those fools! Quite often they're extremely biased (there's a lot of money involved in MP3, ISDN and APT-X codec sales, digistream and satellite audio uplink equipment and so on) and/or funded by codec-fanboys who are unable to deal with contradicting (often technically superior) opinions on sound. Furthermore results are unrealistic because tests have been done using EVERY random ear out there (as if suddenly expert knowledge would not count). So always check different LAME settings YOURSELVES, don't follow comments written by self-appointed 'experts', and you may decide on *our* expertise in the field by looking here, here or here.

This whole paragraph is hilarious, particularly the ending.

Basically there saying:
"Don't trust the people who participated in a blind, scientifically valid test. Trust us, cause we say so."

And there's the bit on trade off's on standardized presets. Just what trade-offs are these?

Crazy stuff.

:offtopic: Happy July 4th to all the Yanks on this board.
sh1leshk4
QUOTE
... So always check different LAME settings YOURSELVES, don't follow comments written by self-appointed 'experts', and you may decide on *our* expertise in the field by looking here, here or here.

Ha, ha, ha, and definitely ha-ha-ha. rolleyes.gif
This is a "lo-fi" version of our main content. To view the full version with more information, formatting and images, please click here.
Invision Power Board © 2001-2009 Invision Power Services, Inc.