I'm interested to use AAC encoder with EAC, but until now I've not found an encoder working correctly with EAC.
Can you help me?
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iTunesEncode is a command line interface to iTunes. It works with EAC and will let you use EAC to rip and iTunes to encode to AAC. Read the readme file for setup info.
iTunesEncode is a command line interface to iTunes. It works with EAC and will let you use EAC to rip and iTunes to encode to AAC. Read the readme file for setup info.
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iTunesEncode is a command line interface to iTunes. It works with EAC and will let you use EAC to rip and iTunes to encode to AAC. Read the readme file for setup info.
Ok...I've downloaded the encoder, tell to EAC to use this one, but it doesn't work...
What I've to set in the Parameter Passing Scheme?
The only one that seems like this compressor is FAAC AAC Encoder, but it's not the correct, I suppose...
How I've to set EAC for a correct compression?
I've read the .txt Set Up info, but the only things that I've done is to write the configuration string.
You need to tell it to use a Command Line Encoder or a Custom Encoder or what have you. You don't pick one of the predefined ones, that ain't gonna work.
You then manually set the filetype to be .M4A.
Search the forum for "iTunesEncode", this has all been covered before.
You then manually set the filetype to be .M4A.
Search the forum for "iTunesEncode", this has all been covered before.
I've done everything you said and taken a look at the others discussions with the same topic...but the codec doesn't work...EAC tells me that there's an error, but not specifying which...
QUOTE(Thirdeye @ Jul 28 2005, 09:08 AM)
I've done everything you said and taken a look at the others discussions with the same topic...but the codec doesn't work...EAC tells me that there's an error, but not specifying which...
try installing itunes?
QUOTE(Thirdeye @ Jul 28 2005, 11:08 PM)
I've done everything you said and taken a look at the others discussions with the same topic...but the codec doesn't work...EAC tells me that there's an error, but not specifying which...
I could suggest that you try LoggerSoft Nero AACenc32.dll frontend, I user this with EAC and MAREO. Simple, works in command line mode so you can see what it's doing.
QUOTE(Thirdeye @ Jul 28 2005, 09:08 AM)
I've done everything you said and taken a look at the others discussions with the same topic...but the codec doesn't work...EAC tells me that there's an error, but not specifying which...
Okay, this really can't get any easier.
First, install iTunes. Gotta have iTunes.
To set it up in EAC, go to the Compression Options and set these:
-Use External Program for Compression is on
-User Defined Encoder
-Extension is .M4A
-Program is c:\full\path\to\iTunesEncode.exe
-Delete WAV after Compression is ON
-Add ID3 tag is OFF
-Check for external programs return code is ON
-Additional command line options are:
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-e "AAC Encoder" -a "%a" -l "%g" -t "%t" -g "%m" -y %y -n %n -i %s -o %d -d
And there you go. Run iTunes and let it sit in the background, then you rip/compress with EAC. After it rips each track, it'll call iTunesEncode which will have iTunes encode and tag the file, then return the finished file to EAC and remove it from iTunes.
Don't screw around with iTunes while it's encoding, BTW. The interface is not 100% perfect.
I have to thank you...my fault was not to install iTunes: I thought that the encoder could work alone.
Now I can extract .aac with EAC.
Thank you!!
Now I can extract .aac with EAC.
Thank you!!
is there any way to rip aac vbr with eac? i know it won't be through itunes (which i use, along with my ipod), but can i get aac vbr?
FAAC can do VBR, but it is generally considered to be lower quality than iTunes or Nero.
iTunes can't do VBR yet, but rumor holds that that will be in iTunes 5.0 or something.
Nero can do VBR, and you can use one of several command line frontends to make it work with EAC. I know a lot of people use NAACEnc from rarewares to do this. But you gotta buy a copy of Nero.
iTunes can't do VBR yet, but rumor holds that that will be in iTunes 5.0 or something.
Nero can do VBR, and you can use one of several command line frontends to make it work with EAC. I know a lot of people use NAACEnc from rarewares to do this. But you gotta buy a copy of Nero.
QUOTE(Otto42 @ Jul 29 2005, 06:53 AM)
FAAC can do VBR, but it is generally considered to be lower quality than iTunes or Nero.
Before you dismiss FAAC based on somebody else's opinion (no disrespect to otto) you should give it a try yourself. It may not be as good as Nero or iTunes, but it's not as bad as you may think after casualy reading the forums.
If you own Nero you can download the Nero Frontends program by LoggerSoft from here. Then make some folder and copy aacenc32.exe from the zipfile and aacenc32.dll and NeroIPP.dll from your Nero installation (search your C: partition to find them) into this folder. Then set up EAC thus:
Select "User Defined Encoder"
Set extension to .m4a
Browse to C:\Path\To\aacenc32.exe
Enter something like:
Check "Delete WAV after compression"
Uncheck "Add ID3 tag" (and other options)
Full list of aacenc32 options :
Select "User Defined Encoder"
Set extension to .m4a
Browse to C:\Path\To\aacenc32.exe
Enter something like:
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-vbr normal -artist "%a" -title "%t" -album "%g" -year "%y" -track "%n" -genre "%m" -comment "Blah Blah" %s %d
in "Additional command line options"Check "Delete WAV after compression"
Uncheck "Add ID3 tag" (and other options)
Full list of aacenc32 options :
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Ahead AAC Encoder v3.2 (Frontend by LoggerSoft v0.79.064)
Usage: aacenc32.exe [options] <infile> [outfile]
OPTIONS:
CBR (constant bitrate):
-cbr <bitrate> set the bitrate in kbps (16 - 448)
VBR (variable bitrate, the default):
-vbr <VBR mode> set the VBR mode:
tape - lowest
radio - low
internet - medium
streaming - medium
normal (default) - high
extreme - high
audiophile - higest
transcoding - ultra
Quality:
-quality <quality> set the encoder quality. Use "high" (default) for
high quality or "fast" for fast encoding
AAC encode profile:
-profile <profile> set the encoder profile ("LC" or "HE").
TAG options:
-artist <value>
-album <value>
-title <value>
-track <value>
-genre <value>
-year <value>
-comment <value>
Miscellense:
-pns switch on PNS mode
-k keep all frequencies
-lowpass <freq> frequency (Hz), lowpass filter cutoff above "freq"
-highpass <freq> frequency (Hz), highpass filter
-aac output to ISO 13818-7 AAC (default output - .mp4/.m4a
container)
-nofir disable FIR-prefiltering
-notag disable any tag fields written
-fir <taps> taps count for FIR filter (5-2048), default 128
-zs kill zero samples at the begin & end of the
input file
-mono [param] convert input file to mono, "param" may be
"left" "right" "mix" (default) or number of channel
Usage: aacenc32.exe [options] <infile> [outfile]
OPTIONS:
CBR (constant bitrate):
-cbr <bitrate> set the bitrate in kbps (16 - 448)
VBR (variable bitrate, the default):
-vbr <VBR mode> set the VBR mode:
tape - lowest
radio - low
internet - medium
streaming - medium
normal (default) - high
extreme - high
audiophile - higest
transcoding - ultra
Quality:
-quality <quality> set the encoder quality. Use "high" (default) for
high quality or "fast" for fast encoding
AAC encode profile:
-profile <profile> set the encoder profile ("LC" or "HE").
TAG options:
-artist <value>
-album <value>
-title <value>
-track <value>
-genre <value>
-year <value>
-comment <value>
Miscellense:
-pns switch on PNS mode
-k keep all frequencies
-lowpass <freq> frequency (Hz), lowpass filter cutoff above "freq"
-highpass <freq> frequency (Hz), highpass filter
-aac output to ISO 13818-7 AAC (default output - .mp4/.m4a
container)
-nofir disable FIR-prefiltering
-notag disable any tag fields written
-fir <taps> taps count for FIR filter (5-2048), default 128
-zs kill zero samples at the begin & end of the
input file
-mono [param] convert input file to mono, "param" may be
"left" "right" "mix" (default) or number of channel
the nero thing just doesn't look like a good use of my time. i used eac to rip a song in wav, then in mp3 aps, then in aac 192 kbps (with itunesencoder, thanks otto).
i'll do some listening tests, then report back. i'm working with an sb live! sound card with latest kx drivers, and some sennheiser px100s, so i'm not exactly using high-end equipment, but hopefully my results will be worth something
i'll do some listening tests, then report back. i'm working with an sb live! sound card with latest kx drivers, and some sennheiser px100s, so i'm not exactly using high-end equipment, but hopefully my results will be worth something
QUOTE(binkgle @ Jul 29 2005, 11:28 AM)
the nero thing just doesn't look like a good use of my time. i used eac to rip a song in wav, then in mp3 aps, then in aac 192 kbps (with itunesencoder, thanks otto).
i'll do some listening tests, then report back. i'm working with an sb live! sound card with latest kx drivers, and some sennheiser px100s, so i'm not exactly using high-end equipment, but hopefully my results will be worth something
i'll do some listening tests, then report back. i'm working with an sb live! sound card with latest kx drivers, and some sennheiser px100s, so i'm not exactly using high-end equipment, but hopefully my results will be worth something
ok, i used the theme song from Halo (ripped from the original cd) because it has very rich, deep lows, nice highs, good mids, voices, strings, drums, etc. it's a really good test song.
i found that, as expectred, the wav file sounded a bit smooter han the other two, but really the difference was almost negligible. i heard absolutely NO difference in between the lame -aps mp3 and the 192 kbps itunes aac files. as they were almost exactly the same same, most of my collection is already in mp3 form, and mp3 is still the most popular mp3 format in the world (though aac is gaining because of tunes), i'm gonna stick with that until i get some nicer headphones (hopefully i'll be getting some senn hd555s pretty soon) to test again
I encode to AAC at 160 kbps, personally. That's just based on my hearing, of course. I usually can't tell the difference between that and LAME -ps. Sometimes I'll get one that sounds fine at 128AAC, but usually I can ABX that and the LAME -ps one. The only ones I can ABX at 160AAC are usually classical/instrumental music. Weird warbly sound kinda gives it away.
what do you mean "i can abx that"?
otto, you still there?
i've also heard that using the lame vbr mp3s on my ipod will result in shorter battery life because of the need of more processing power. is this true?
QUOTE(binkgle @ Jul 30 2005, 12:28 AM)
the nero thing just doesn't look like a good use of my time. i used eac to rip a song in wav, then in mp3 aps, then in aac 192 kbps (with itunesencoder, thanks otto).
i'll do some listening tests, then report back. i'm working with an sb live! sound card with latest kx drivers, and some sennheiser px100s, so i'm not exactly using high-end equipment, but hopefully my results will be worth something
i'll do some listening tests, then report back. i'm working with an sb live! sound card with latest kx drivers, and some sennheiser px100s, so i'm not exactly using high-end equipment, but hopefully my results will be worth something
Well binkgle, if you use something like MAREO to automate the process it doesn't take any of your time? I rip to WAV to go into SonicStage, FLAC (for archiving), MP3 and AAC (for my phone) in one process.
QUOTE(binkgle @ Jul 29 2005, 02:09 PM)
what do you mean "i can abx that"?
ABXing is a way to tell if you can actually hear a difference in the two files or if it's just your mind playing tricks on you.
You might want to read the forums a bit more, the concept of actually quantifying differences using these sort of methods is pretty ingrained around here.
QUOTE(binkgle @ Jul 29 2005, 08:28 PM)
i've also heard that using the lame vbr mp3s on my ipod will result in shorter battery life because of the need of more processing power. is this true?
Hard to say for sure, really. In general, bigger files will reduce the battery life because the drive has to spin up more often to read more data. However, AAC always requires a bit more processing power to decode and so it uses more power that way.
I have not seen any actual quantitative measurements on battery life under different scenarios. Realistically, I think that no matter how you look at it, you're probably only talking minutes worth of differences out of tens of hours of playback time, so honestly, who cares?
QUOTE(binkgle @ Jul 29 2005, 06:12 PM)
i found that, as expectred, the wav file sounded a bit smooter han the other two, but really the difference was almost negligible. i heard absolutely NO difference in between the lame -aps mp3 and the 192 kbps itunes aac files. as they were almost exactly the same same, most of my collection is already in mp3 form, and mp3 is still the most popular mp3 format in the world (though aac is gaining because of tunes), i'm gonna stick with that until i get some nicer headphones (hopefully i'll be getting some senn hd555s pretty soon) to test again
As one great man once said:
"Try a blind test. Problem will most likely go away."
how do you do a blind test on yourself? wouldn't i need some one else to actually play or arrange the songs so i wouldn't know what i was listening to?
alright, for the first song i've abx'ed (using foobar), i couldn't tell ANY differnce between aac160, aac192, lame vbr, and wav. i'll report back after i test more songs. so far, aac160 is my best option
I hope that this is the best thread for this post.
Having read through quite a few threads I still seem to be having problems getting EAC and iTunes encoder to produce apple lossless files.
I have downloaded EAC and unzipped it to a folder on my desktop. Then I downloaded the iTunes Encode 46 files and extracted them to a folder within in the EAC folder.
I set up the compression settings in EAC as described by Otto above, but changed the "AAC Encoder" code line to say "Lossless Encoder"
On the compression tab, the bit rate is still showing a choice of between 32 and 320kbs and I'm not sure why this doesn't show a lossless choice.
Within iTunes, my existing library is stored in the iTunes folder, but I have set up a new file (EAC music) to import the new files I rip, and have changed the import tab to show lossless compression. I have then left iTunes running in the background.
Within EAC, I wasn't exactly sure how to start the ripping process. I put a CD into the CD rom that I had already configured using the wizard, and 10 tracks showed on the menu, without information. So, I clicked on the FreeDB tab and the information was populated onto the menu.
After this, I'm not sure what I should be doing. I clicked on the WAV tab and was asked where to send the ripped files. At this point I created a new file on the desktop "EAC" and then the process appeared to start ok.
I now seem to have a James Blunt CD converted into WAV files in the folder on my desktop, but nothing new in iTunes.
Please can someone put me out of my misery and tell me what I'm doing wrong.
Thanks very much
Steve
Having read through quite a few threads I still seem to be having problems getting EAC and iTunes encoder to produce apple lossless files.
I have downloaded EAC and unzipped it to a folder on my desktop. Then I downloaded the iTunes Encode 46 files and extracted them to a folder within in the EAC folder.
I set up the compression settings in EAC as described by Otto above, but changed the "AAC Encoder" code line to say "Lossless Encoder"
On the compression tab, the bit rate is still showing a choice of between 32 and 320kbs and I'm not sure why this doesn't show a lossless choice.
Within iTunes, my existing library is stored in the iTunes folder, but I have set up a new file (EAC music) to import the new files I rip, and have changed the import tab to show lossless compression. I have then left iTunes running in the background.
Within EAC, I wasn't exactly sure how to start the ripping process. I put a CD into the CD rom that I had already configured using the wizard, and 10 tracks showed on the menu, without information. So, I clicked on the FreeDB tab and the information was populated onto the menu.
After this, I'm not sure what I should be doing. I clicked on the WAV tab and was asked where to send the ripped files. At this point I created a new file on the desktop "EAC" and then the process appeared to start ok.
I now seem to have a James Blunt CD converted into WAV files in the folder on my desktop, but nothing new in iTunes.
Please can someone put me out of my misery and tell me what I'm doing wrong.
Thanks very much
Steve
QUOTE(vetinry @ Aug 6 2005, 04:01 PM)
I set up the compression settings in EAC as described by Otto above, but changed the "AAC Encoder" code line to say "Lossless Encoder"
On the compression tab, the bit rate is still showing a choice of between 32 and 320kbs and I'm not sure why this doesn't show a lossless choice.
On the compression tab, the bit rate is still showing a choice of between 32 and 320kbs and I'm not sure why this doesn't show a lossless choice.
If you set it up as I described above, then this setting is irrelevant. It doesn't matter what you set it to.
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After this, I'm not sure what I should be doing. I clicked on the WAV tab and was asked where to send the ripped files. At this point I created a new file on the desktop "EAC" and then the process appeared to start ok.
Try clicking the "Rip to MP3" button instead. Yes, yes, it's not MP3, click it anyway. The idea is that you want to rip to WAV and then have the External Compressor (iTunesEncode) compress the WAVs. The WAVs then get removed (if you have it set to do so).
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I now seem to have a James Blunt CD converted into WAV files in the folder on my desktop, but nothing new in iTunes.
If you used the settings as I described them above, you won't have anything in iTunes anyway. Remove the "-d" option from that command line and iTunesEncode will leave the resulting files in the iTunes library after it's done instead of removing them.
Thanks Otto
Using the MP3 ripping tag now and everything seems to be working ok.
Just one question - should the finally ripped song files be held in sub folders of artist and album as they are in iTunes.
For now, I've removed the "-d" from the end of the command, and am leaving the files stored this way in iTunes, and then just the loose tracks in the EAC file.
Great programme - many thanks
Steve
Using the MP3 ripping tag now and everything seems to be working ok.
Just one question - should the finally ripped song files be held in sub folders of artist and album as they are in iTunes.
For now, I've removed the "-d" from the end of the command, and am leaving the files stored this way in iTunes, and then just the loose tracks in the EAC file.
Great programme - many thanks
Steve
If you leave off the -d part of the command line, then it will leave copies of the newly encoded files in iTunes, which will by default be in iTunes directory hierarchy of "artist/album/tracknum songname.ext". Just right click on them in iTunes and Get Info to verify their locations.
QUOTE(Otto42 @ Jul 29 2005, 09:53 AM)
iTunes can't do VBR yet, but rumor holds that that will be in iTunes 5.0 or something.
iTunes supporting VBR AAC has been rumored to be "coming soon" for a long time now. After it being snubbed in the past couple releases, I get the feeling that Apple doesn't seem to care about giving us VBR AAC. 
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