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elvenjess

Aug 6 2005, 13:10

First of all, I just want to say thank you to everyone here. I've lurked here for a while, giving the forum and wiki a search for any of my audio questions. A great site you guys have here!

Anyhow, I just installed and set up the latest EAC and lame and ripped a new CD I bought, Gorillaz - Demon Days. The CD is brand new, perfect shape and after ripping I got a few errors. Is this something to be concerned about? I gave the songs a quick listen and didn't notice anything...

Here's the log:

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EAC extraction logfile from 6. August 2005, 12:39 for CD
Gorillaz / Demon Days

Used drive  : SONY    CD-ROM CDU5221   Adapter: 1  ID: 0
Read mode   : Secure with NO C2, accurate stream, NO disable cache
Read offset correction : 0
Overread into Lead-In and Lead-Out : No

Used output format : C:\Documents and Settings\Jesse_2\My Documents\Applications\eac095b2dao\lame3.97a11\lame.exe   (User Defined Encoder)
                     192 kBit/s
                     Additional command line options : --alt-preset standard --add-id3v2 --pad-id3v2 --ta "%a" --tt "%t" --tl "%g" --ty "%y" --tn "%n" %s %d

Other options      : 
    Fill up missing offset samples with silence : Yes
    Delete leading and trailing silent blocks : No
    Native Win32 interface for Win NT & 2000


Track  1
     Filename D:\Music\01_Gorillaz_-_Intro.wav

     Suspicious position 0:00:10
     Suspicious position 0:00:16
     Suspicious position 0:00:22
     Suspicious position 0:00:28
     Suspicious position 0:00:34
     Suspicious position 0:00:40
     Suspicious position 0:00:46
     Suspicious position 0:00:52

     Peak level 70.4 %
     Track quality 93.4 %
     Copy CRC 173077A3
     Copy finished

Track  2
     Filename D:\Music\02_Gorillaz_-_Last_Living_Souls.wav

     Suspicious position 0:00:23
     Suspicious position 0:00:29
     Suspicious position 0:00:35
     Suspicious position 0:00:41
     Suspicious position 0:00:47
     Suspicious position 0:00:53
     Suspicious position 0:00:59
     Suspicious position 0:01:05
     Suspicious position 0:01:11
     Suspicious position 0:01:23
     Suspicious position 0:01:29
     Suspicious position 0:01:35
     Suspicious position 0:01:41
     Suspicious position 0:01:47
     Suspicious position 0:01:53
     Suspicious position 0:01:59
     Suspicious position 0:02:05
     Suspicious position 0:02:11
     Suspicious position 0:02:17
     Suspicious position 0:02:23
     Suspicious position 0:02:29
     Suspicious position 0:02:35
     Suspicious position 0:02:47
     Suspicious position 0:02:59

     Peak level 99.9 %
     Track quality 93.3 %
     Copy CRC 18DD7DD1
     Copy finished

Track  3
     Filename D:\Music\03_Gorillaz_-_Kids_With_Guns.wav

     Suspicious position 0:00:10
     Suspicious position 0:00:22
     Suspicious position 0:00:34
     Suspicious position 0:00:40
     Suspicious position 0:00:52
     Suspicious position 0:00:58
     Suspicious position 0:01:10
     Suspicious position 0:01:16
     Suspicious position 0:01:28
     Suspicious position 0:01:34
     Suspicious position 0:01:40
     Suspicious position 0:01:46
     Suspicious position 0:01:52
     Suspicious position 0:01:58
     Suspicious position 0:02:04
     Suspicious position 0:02:10
     Suspicious position 0:02:16
     Suspicious position 0:02:46
     Suspicious position 0:02:52
     Suspicious position 0:02:58
     Suspicious position 0:03:04
     Suspicious position 0:03:10
     Suspicious position 0:03:16
     Suspicious position 0:03:22
     Suspicious position 0:03:34

     Peak level 100.0 %
     Track quality 93.8 %
     Copy CRC 955BE4CA
     Copy finished

Track  4
     Filename D:\Music\04_Gorillaz_-_O_Green_World.wav

     Suspicious position 0:00:10
     Suspicious position 0:00:16
     Suspicious position 0:00:28
     Suspicious position 0:00:34
     Suspicious position 0:00:47
     Suspicious position 0:00:58
     Suspicious position 0:01:04
     Suspicious position 0:01:16
     Suspicious position 0:01:23
     Suspicious position 0:01:28
     Suspicious position 0:01:34
     Suspicious position 0:01:40
     Suspicious position 0:01:46
     Suspicious position 0:01:52
     Suspicious position 0:01:58
     Suspicious position 0:02:04
     Suspicious position 0:02:11
     Suspicious position 0:02:16
     Suspicious position 0:02:23
     Suspicious position 0:02:29
     Suspicious position 0:02:34
     Suspicious position 0:02:40
     Suspicious position 0:02:46
     Suspicious position 0:02:53
     Suspicious position 0:03:04
     Suspicious position 0:03:22
     Suspicious position 0:03:28
     Suspicious position 0:03:34
     Suspicious position 0:03:40
     Suspicious position 0:03:52
     Suspicious position 0:04:04
     Suspicious position 0:04:11

     Peak level 100.0 %
     Track quality 93.1 %
     Copy CRC 5E154518
     Copy finished

Track  5
     Filename D:\Music\05_Gorillaz_-_Dirty_Harry.wav

     Suspicious position 0:00:11
     Suspicious position 0:00:23
     Suspicious position 0:00:29
     Suspicious position 0:00:35
     Suspicious position 0:00:41
     Suspicious position 0:00:47
     Suspicious position 0:00:53
     Suspicious position 0:00:59
     Suspicious position 0:01:05
     Suspicious position 0:01:11
     Suspicious position 0:01:23
     Suspicious position 0:01:41
     Suspicious position 0:01:59
     Suspicious position 0:02:05
     Suspicious position 0:02:23
     Suspicious position 0:02:29
     Suspicious position 0:02:35
     Suspicious position 0:02:41
     Suspicious position 0:02:53
     Suspicious position 0:02:59
     Suspicious position 0:03:05
     Suspicious position 0:03:11
     Suspicious position 0:03:29

     Peak level 99.9 %
     Track quality 94.0 %
     Copy CRC 95FDCFF8
     Copy finished

Track  6
     Filename D:\Music\06_Gorillaz_-_Feel_Good_Inc..wav

     Suspicious position 0:00:11
     Suspicious position 0:00:17
     Suspicious position 0:00:23
     Suspicious position 0:00:29
     Suspicious position 0:00:35
     Suspicious position 0:00:41
     Suspicious position 0:00:47
     Suspicious position 0:01:11
     Suspicious position 0:01:17
     Suspicious position 0:01:23
     Suspicious position 0:01:29
     Suspicious position 0:01:35
     Suspicious position 0:01:53
     Suspicious position 0:02:05
     Suspicious position 0:02:23
     Suspicious position 0:02:29
     Suspicious position 0:02:59
     Suspicious position 0:03:05
     Suspicious position 0:03:11

     Peak level 99.9 %
     Track quality 95.1 %
     Copy CRC 797111FC
     Copy finished

Track  7
     Filename D:\Music\07_Gorillaz_-_El_Manana.wav

     Suspicious position 0:00:11
     Suspicious position 0:00:23
     Suspicious position 0:00:41
     Suspicious position 0:00:59
     Suspicious position 0:01:05
     Suspicious position 0:01:17
     Suspicious position 0:01:23
     Suspicious position 0:01:29
     Suspicious position 0:01:35
     Suspicious position 0:01:47
     Suspicious position 0:01:53
     Suspicious position 0:02:11
     Suspicious position 0:02:17
     Suspicious position 0:02:35
     Suspicious position 0:02:47
     Suspicious position 0:02:53
     Suspicious position 0:02:59
     Suspicious position 0:03:17
     Suspicious position 0:03:23
     Suspicious position 0:03:35

     Peak level 99.9 %
     Track quality 95.0 %
     Copy CRC D362B525
     Copy finished

Track  8
     Filename D:\Music\08_Gorillaz_-_Every_Planet_We_Reach_Is_Dead.wav

     Suspicious position 0:00:11
     Suspicious position 0:00:17
     Suspicious position 0:00:23
     Suspicious position 0:00:35
     Suspicious position 0:00:41
     Suspicious position 0:01:17
     Suspicious position 0:01:23
     Suspicious position 0:01:35
     Suspicious position 0:01:41
     Suspicious position 0:01:59
     Suspicious position 0:02:11
     Suspicious position 0:02:29
     Suspicious position 0:02:35
     Suspicious position 0:02:41
     Suspicious position 0:02:47
     Suspicious position 0:02:53
     Suspicious position 0:03:05
     Suspicious position 0:03:23
     Suspicious position 0:03:41
     Suspicious position 0:03:59
     Suspicious position 0:04:05
     Suspicious position 0:04:11
     Suspicious position 0:04:17
     Suspicious position 0:04:23
     Suspicious position 0:04:29
     Suspicious position 0:04:41

     Peak level 99.9 %
     Track quality 95.0 %
     Copy CRC CB642C71
     Copy finished

Track  9
     Filename D:\Music\09_Gorillaz_-_November_Has_Come.wav

     Suspicious position 0:00:16
     Suspicious position 0:01:16
     Suspicious position 0:01:22
     Suspicious position 0:01:34
     Suspicious position 0:01:40
     Suspicious position 0:01:58
     Suspicious position 0:02:04
     Suspicious position 0:02:16

     Peak level 99.9 %
     Track quality 96.5 %
     Copy CRC 024D6AE0
     Copy finished

Track 10
     Filename D:\Music\10_Gorillaz_-_All_Alone.wav

     Suspicious position 0:00:22
     Suspicious position 0:00:52
     Suspicious position 0:01:10
     Suspicious position 0:01:52
     Suspicious position 0:01:58
     Suspicious position 0:02:04
     Suspicious position 0:02:40
     Suspicious position 0:02:52
     Suspicious position 0:02:58
     Suspicious position 0:03:04

     Peak level 99.9 %
     Track quality 96.4 %
     Copy CRC 59C2CAA5
     Copy finished

Track 11
     Filename D:\Music\11_Gorillaz_-_White_Light.wav

     Suspicious position 0:00:10
     Suspicious position 0:00:16
     Suspicious position 0:00:22
     Suspicious position 0:00:52
     Suspicious position 0:01:10
     Suspicious position 0:01:22
     Suspicious position 0:01:28

     Peak level 99.9 %
     Track quality 96.3 %
     Copy CRC 07A8C69F
     Copy finished

Track 12
     Filename D:\Music\12_Gorillaz_-_Dare.wav

     Suspicious position 0:00:11
     Suspicious position 0:00:29
     Suspicious position 0:01:05
     Suspicious position 0:01:11
     Suspicious position 0:01:23
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     Suspicious position 0:02:41
     Suspicious position 0:03:11
     Suspicious position 0:03:17
     Suspicious position 0:03:35

     Peak level 99.9 %
     Track quality 96.1 %
     Copy CRC BED16180
     Copy finished

Track 13
     Filename D:\Music\13_Gorillaz_-_Fire_Coming_Out_of_the_Monkey's_Head.wav

     Suspicious position 0:00:35
     Suspicious position 0:00:59
     Suspicious position 0:01:10
     Suspicious position 0:01:22
     Suspicious position 0:01:28
     Suspicious position 0:02:59

     Peak level 100.0 %
     Track quality 97.6 %
     Copy CRC 8F5F8EC5
     Copy finished

Track 14
     Filename D:\Music\14_Gorillaz_-_Don't_Get_Lost_in_Heaven.wav

     Suspicious position 0:00:10
     Suspicious position 0:00:28
     Suspicious position 0:00:52
     Suspicious position 0:01:10
     Suspicious position 0:01:34
     Suspicious position 0:01:46

     Peak level 99.9 %
     Track quality 96.8 %
     Copy CRC D7BAE037
     Copy finished

Track 15
     Filename D:\Music\15_Gorillaz_-_Demon_Days.wav

     Suspicious position 0:00:23
     Suspicious position 0:00:35
     Suspicious position 0:00:47
     Suspicious position 0:01:23
     Suspicious position 0:01:29
     Suspicious position 0:01:35
     Suspicious position 0:01:47
     Suspicious position 0:01:59
     Suspicious position 0:02:23
     Suspicious position 0:02:29
     Suspicious position 0:03:59

     Peak level 99.9 %
     Track quality 97.2 %
     Copy CRC 3F5F8E5F
     Copy finished

There were errors


End of status report

Sebastian Mares

Aug 6 2005, 14:02

Is the CD copy protected?

elvenjess

Aug 6 2005, 14:05

QUOTE(Sebastian Mares @ Aug 6 2005, 02:02 PM)

Is the CD copy protected?

Well, it says it has some sort of copy protection on the CD, but EAC said "Copy protection: No" for all the tracks.

Sebastian Mares

Aug 6 2005, 14:13

QUOTE(elvenjess @ Aug 6 2005, 10:05 PM)

QUOTE(Sebastian Mares @ Aug 6 2005, 02:02 PM)

Is the CD copy protected?

Well, it says it has some sort of copy protection on the CD, but EAC said "Copy protection: No" for all the tracks.

That has nothing to do with copy protection like Cactus DataShield, Key2Audio and so on.
What EAC displays is the flag which allows (or not) to digitally copy the CD to DAT, MiniDisc or any other digital media via optical or coaxial digital output.

Edit: See this article on Wikipedia for more information on SCMS.

elvenjess

Aug 6 2005, 17:06

Ah, I see. Well the disk is on the EMI label and has their copy control stuff on it.

Like I said, I haven't noticed anything while listening to it over my computer, maybe headphones would bring a different experience...

dreamliner77

Aug 6 2005, 18:46

Try another drive if you have one available.

elvenjess

Aug 6 2005, 19:14

QUOTE(dreamliner77 @ Aug 6 2005, 06:46 PM)

Try another drive if you have one available.

Not sure it's worth it, my other drive is a slow HP drive with audio cache...

Acid8000

Aug 6 2005, 20:03

A drive that doesn't use C2 error correction at all (even with it disabled) I have found to be better than ones that do when they have some types of copy protection. Usually when I rip CDs from EMI that have that "Copy Controlled" label, I use my Pioneer rather than my Liteon drive.

elvenjess

Aug 6 2005, 20:08

I tried another method of avoiding the copy control. I used Alcohol 52% to create an image of the CD, then mounted it in a virtual drive. I then used EAC to rip the audio.

CODE

EAC extraction logfile from 6. August 2005, 20:00 for CD
Gorillaz / Demon Days

Used drive  : SCSIVAX DVD/CD-ROM   Adapter: 2  ID: 0
Read mode   : Secure with NO C2, accurate stream, disable cache
Read offset correction : 0
Overread into Lead-In and Lead-Out : No

Used output format : C:\Documents and Settings\Jesse_2\My Documents\Applications\eac095b2dao\lame3.97a11\lame.exe   (User Defined Encoder)
                     192 kBit/s
                     Additional command line options : --alt-preset standard --add-id3v2 --pad-id3v2 --ta "%a" --tt "%t" --tl "%g" --ty "%y" --tn "%n" %s %d

Other options      : 
    Fill up missing offset samples with silence : Yes
    Delete leading and trailing silent blocks : No
    Native Win32 interface for Win NT & 2000


Track  1
     Filename D:\Music\01 Gorillaz - Intro.wav

     Peak level 70.4 %
     Track quality 100.0 %
     Copy CRC EB0E9C54
     Copy OK

Track  2
     Filename D:\Music\02 Gorillaz - Last Living Souls.wav

     Peak level 99.9 %
     Track quality 100.0 %
     Copy CRC 9E0C8B71
     Copy OK

Track  3
     Filename D:\Music\03 Gorillaz - Kids With Guns.wav

     Peak level 100.0 %
     Track quality 100.0 %
     Copy CRC EC59E396
     Copy OK

Track  4
     Filename D:\Music\04 Gorillaz - O Green World.wav

     Peak level 100.0 %
     Track quality 99.9 %
     Copy CRC 309245D5
     Copy OK

Track  5
     Filename D:\Music\05 Gorillaz - Dirty Harry.wav

     Peak level 99.9 %
     Track quality 99.9 %
     Copy CRC 110CFBFD
     Copy OK

Track  6
     Filename D:\Music\06 Gorillaz - Feel Good Inc..wav

     Peak level 99.9 %
     Track quality 99.9 %
     Copy CRC EE2E530B
     Copy OK

Track  7
     Filename D:\Music\07 Gorillaz - El Manana.wav

     Peak level 99.9 %
     Track quality 100.0 %
     Copy CRC E41B2624
     Copy OK

Track  8
     Filename D:\Music\08 Gorillaz - Every Planet We Reach Is Dead.wav

     Peak level 99.9 %
     Track quality 100.0 %
     Copy CRC 1D067C0E
     Copy OK

Track  9
     Filename D:\Music\09 Gorillaz - November Has Come.wav

     Peak level 99.9 %
     Track quality 100.0 %
     Copy CRC 1B8FE552
     Copy OK

Track 10
     Filename D:\Music\10 Gorillaz - All Alone.wav

     Peak level 99.9 %
     Track quality 100.0 %
     Copy CRC 092CE269
     Copy OK

Track 11
     Filename D:\Music\11 Gorillaz - White Light.wav

     Peak level 99.9 %
     Track quality 100.0 %
     Copy CRC 3799264D
     Copy OK

Track 12
     Filename D:\Music\12 Gorillaz - Dare.wav

     Peak level 99.9 %
     Track quality 100.0 %
     Copy CRC E481B6A6
     Copy OK

Track 13
     Filename D:\Music\13 Gorillaz - Fire Coming Out Of The Monkey's Head.wav

     Peak level 100.0 %
     Track quality 100.0 %
     Copy CRC 99915A0C
     Copy OK

Track 14
     Filename D:\Music\14 Gorillaz - Don't Get Lost In Heaven.wav

     Peak level 99.9 %
     Track quality 100.0 %
     Copy CRC 52230BC7
     Copy OK

Track 15
     Filename D:\Music\15 Gorillaz - Demon Days.wav

     Peak level 99.9 %
     Track quality 100.0 %
     Copy CRC CCF4E99F
     Copy OK

No errors occured


End of status report

No errors occured

Sebastian Mares

Aug 7 2005, 15:23

That has nothing to say. Of course EAC didn't report errors since your HDD is not scratched whatsoever.

elvenjess

Aug 7 2005, 23:18

QUOTE(Sebastian Mares @ Aug 7 2005, 03:23 PM)

That has nothing to say. Of course EAC didn't report errors since your HDD is not scratched whatsoever.

Do you know of a program for ripping CD images that is as efficient as EAC? If I ripped a perfect image of it and then mounted it, wouldn't it be the same as ripping directly from the CD itself? And this way and copy protection on the CD is useless as I understand it has something to do with the outer rim of the CD?

Of course, the trouble is finding such a program.

evereux

Aug 8 2005, 03:34

Once the image is ripped to your hard drive it's pointless re-ripping a mounted image to try and get a secure extraction. You may aswell just copy the file (your image) to another folder, it's the same thing.

The only important part of the ripping process is when you're extracting the data from the CD itself.

Do you get consistent, matching CRCs ripping in burst mode and using Test and Copy?

elvenjess

Aug 8 2005, 22:13

QUOTE(evereux @ Aug 8 2005, 03:34 AM)

What I meant was, to re-rip the CD to get a secure image of it. I ripped the current image with Alcohol 52%, which I'm sure doesn't use EAC's extensive error checking.

I'll give burst mode a try, as well as use my other drive.

dreamliner77

Aug 8 2005, 23:39

"ripping" an image (unless it's with EAC) is pointless. You will still get all that's on the CD, errors and all.

elvenjess

Aug 9 2005, 09:16

Alright, thanks for all the help everyone. I managed to rip a copy without any errors using my other drive. I didn't expect this drive to rip a better copy, it's always so slow.

CODE

EAC extraction logfile from 9. August 2005, 0:05 for CD
Gorillaz / Demon Days

Used drive  : HP      CD-Writer+ 9100   Adapter: 1  ID: 1
Read mode   : Secure with NO C2, accurate stream, disable cache
Read offset correction : 0
Overread into Lead-In and Lead-Out : No

Used output format : Internal WAV Routines
                     44.100 Hz; 16 Bit; Stereo

Other options      : 
    Fill up missing offset samples with silence : Yes
    Delete leading and trailing silent blocks : No
    Native Win32 interface for Win NT & 2000


Track  1
     Filename D:\Music\01 Gorillaz - Intro.wav

     Peak level 70.4 %
     Track quality 100.0 %
     Test CRC 6898FBC6
     Copy CRC 6898FBC6
     Copy OK

Track  2
     Filename D:\Music\02 Gorillaz - Last Living Souls.wav

     Peak level 99.9 %
     Track quality 99.8 %
     Test CRC 5312FC74
     Copy CRC 5312FC74
     Copy OK

Track  3
     Filename D:\Music\03 Gorillaz - Kids With Guns.wav

     Peak level 100.0 %
     Track quality 99.9 %
     Test CRC A24C904C
     Copy CRC A24C904C
     Copy OK

Track  4
     Filename D:\Music\04 Gorillaz - O Green World.wav

     Peak level 100.0 %
     Track quality 99.9 %
     Test CRC 5E15AE49
     Copy CRC 5E15AE49
     Copy OK

Track  5
     Filename D:\Music\05 Gorillaz - Dirty Harry.wav

     Peak level 99.9 %
     Track quality 99.9 %
     Test CRC 4093C35E
     Copy CRC 4093C35E
     Copy OK

Track  6
     Filename D:\Music\06 Gorillaz - Feel Good Inc..wav

     Peak level 99.9 %
     Track quality 99.9 %
     Test CRC 1F7B5F2B
     Copy CRC 1F7B5F2B
     Copy OK

Track  7
     Filename D:\Music\07 Gorillaz - El Manana.wav

     Peak level 99.9 %
     Track quality 99.9 %
     Test CRC C84B043C
     Copy CRC C84B043C
     Copy OK

Track  8
     Filename D:\Music\08 Gorillaz - Every Planet We Reach Is Dead.wav

     Peak level 99.9 %
     Track quality 99.8 %
     Test CRC 2E47E67F
     Copy CRC 2E47E67F
     Copy OK

Track  9
     Filename D:\Music\09 Gorillaz - November Has Come.wav

     Peak level 99.9 %
     Track quality 99.7 %
     Test CRC 197D1764
     Copy CRC 197D1764
     Copy OK

Track 10
     Filename D:\Music\10 Gorillaz - All Alone.wav

     Peak level 99.9 %
     Track quality 99.9 %
     Test CRC DA01BF15
     Copy CRC DA01BF15
     Copy OK

Track 11
     Filename D:\Music\11 Gorillaz - White Light.wav

     Peak level 99.9 %
     Track quality 99.9 %
     Test CRC D7B9BF65
     Copy CRC D7B9BF65
     Copy OK

Track 12
     Filename D:\Music\12 Gorillaz - Dare.wav

     Peak level 99.9 %
     Track quality 99.9 %
     Test CRC 4ACD0287
     Copy CRC 4ACD0287
     Copy OK

Track 13
     Filename D:\Music\13 Gorillaz - Fire Coming Out Of The Monkey's Head.wav

     Peak level 100.0 %
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     Test CRC AF8B75F5
     Copy CRC AF8B75F5
     Copy OK

Track 14
     Filename D:\Music\14 Gorillaz - Don't Get Lost In Heaven.wav

     Peak level 99.9 %
     Track quality 99.7 %
     Test CRC 3C88AC11
     Copy CRC 3C88AC11
     Copy OK

Track 15
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     Peak level 99.9 %
     Track quality 99.8 %
     Test CRC 82EDD5A2
     Copy CRC 82EDD5A2
     Copy OK

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