Check this out!

http://www.cdrinfo.com/Sections/News/Detai...?RelatedID=2788

As long as companies release firmware updates to make their CD-ROM drives compatible with the HDBURN format, this could be very good news.

yes, this is GOOD news.

yup but if the companies don't lauch the firmware? only a few manufactures companies will support this, well maybe in the nest's month's much more will. But it's a good news indeed

pffff... this is shit...

As Sanyo mentions:

a) This technology cannot be used for AudioCDs

B ) With slight modifications in firmware, HD-BURN CDs can be recognized from DVD-ROM and CD-ROM readers

c) You can author DVD-Video format to a HD-BURN CDs in order to fit up to 30mins video (with real 720x576 DVD resolution)

I don't know, i see NOTHING new here. It's been done by ahead, by adaptec, and one or two more companies. Each one calls it a different name. Fit more into a regular CD, blah... Slow speed always as well.
This is somewhat different though, yeah.. But nothing really good to my opinion.

Well that's too bad you're right

Here are a couple of more links that talk about it.

http://www.cdrlabs.com/#3
http://www.digital-sanyo.com/BURN-Proof/HD...BURN/index.html

Hee hee hee, check out this cartoon from the second link!



On a serious note, while it is disappointing that this technology can't be used for standard audio CD's, it is promising in the sense that it should work fine for data CD's. If a company like iRiver makes the firmware changes to support the HD-BURN format, then their users have DOUBLE the capacity to fit their songs (MP3/WMA/OGG) on to a single CD. (w00t)

Oh, and, SK1, where the hell did your "slow speed" comment come from? Let's take another look at Sanyo's comments, shall we?

(2) With HD-BURN mode, 36x speed data recording and 80x speed data reading can be realized. (CLV Record/Read speed after converted as CD based transfer rate.) You call that SLOW?

Ah HA... So this is the difference is Sanyo's technology, well that's good.
Compared to.. InCD and DirectCD (or however it's called) it's way better.

No, i don't call that slow, take it easy ..

well if this is for real, I don't understand how it "sucks". For dvd ripping this will be awesome. Consider:
3 cds can rip many dvds in full mpeg-2 video (4.2 gb is pretty close to dvd capacity, single layer at least)
1 cd can make nice divx rips
and this may revitalize the playstation2 dvd ripping scene as well.

I'd buy one of these burners if its reasonably priced.

It "sucks" because it's only good for data, not audio, and because it's kind of cheating, and i dislike any kind of "cheating" and modifying and bypassing... Maybe it's hard to understand, i won't try to explain..

it sounds pretty smart to me... and btw you could likely fit 4-5 cds in lossless format on 1 1400 mb cd. call me a cheater I guess, but I like those numbers

that's perfectly fine .. what ever you like. heh.

I thought there weren't people preferring AudioCDs today.
I really don't like ACD, I prefer good lossless or MPC copies of them, ACDs are really a thing of the past, locked down by cappy standards
I can't remember last time I listened to a CD directly.... 1½ yrs ago perhaps.. ?

Could you tell us more ? I've never heard of it before.

All they are probably doing here is decreasing the distance between the pits and lands on the disc, since the DDR drives use regular CD-R's with a track pitch of 1.5-1.6uM. Alternately, they could also decrease the length of the spots, but not the spot size itself, since a smaller spot would require a shorter wavelength laser. To be able to read these discs, a drive's firmware would have to be changed (obviously), so it makes sense that an audio CD player wouldn't know what to do with it. I know for a fact that Sony's version of these double-density CD's uses a different error correction system than CIRC, which again would throw off a hardware player. 870MB (99 min) CD's are probably the best you'll ever do as far as being able to play a long disc in an audio CD player, and some players even have trouble with those.

Hopefully DVD-RW drives will become more popular in the upcoming year or so as to drive down the cost of such equipment (thought the discs are already less than $2/each). I'd rather go that route than use a nonstandard CD format, as DVD-ROM's are more frequently encountered than are DD-ROMs.

Well if you want to know what they are doing, they decreased the length of pits.
from 0.8 microns to 0.6 and they used a more effective error correction.
Thats all.

"Could you tell us more ? I've never heard of it before."

I'm sorry i'm not sure, i might have been wrong mentioning DirectCD and InCD, but i do remember that a long time ago i had WinOnCD by CEQuadRat, software package that came with an old burner i bought. It included a packet writing program called PacketCD and it WAS able to burn around 1 GB of data to a regular CD using an own file system.
Now PacketCD is no longer produced or supported, Roxio (damn it) bought CEQuadRat and WinOnCD now too uses DirectCD (which uses UDF).
http://www.roxio.de/english/products/winon...5/merkmale.html

Looking for HD-Burn I also found Haudio. The best collection of info is so far in this thread.
Sanyo introduces 1.4GB CD-R burner/DVD Burner @doom9

Also it seems that finally the first HD-Burn DVD writer is listed for 280$ (US only).

Now all that's missing is the read capability via Firmwareupdate for existing drives to get 1,4GB on a 700MB CD.

Interesting: my relative news (3-4 days ago) was unapproved...

From this morning
Optorite DD0203 DVD±RW ReWritable Drive
$290.00 Free Fedex Saver Shipping

http://www.accupc.com/itemDetail.jsp?pid=d...efer=PriceWatch

or : $294.00 ETA 25th.April
http://www.jazztechnology.biz/product/OPDD0203.

In my experience if prices go up a bit, it's normally a sign that the first products are really available for us to buy.

Yeah it would be rock on portables for two reasons:

1) More songs into a CD.
2) If CDs can be read faster, that means less reading time = less battery consumption = more playback time

the firmware has to be done on the player, right?

ie. my mp3 player in my car won't be able to use these cds, right?

Yes

Yes,
but this does ex-clude CD-drives, unless they can read the finer structures somehow.

Any firmwareupgradeable (car-, portable or DVD-) players that uses a DVD-drive should be firmware upgradeable.


Due to the higher data density & better error correction youre supposed to get somewhere arround 70-80x reading speed (Sanyo).


I'd asume that Spinup-time/-current of a drive will have a significant impact on power consumption if you need only a short read time vs. spinup. The larger your internal storage the more likely you'll see a benfit.