To celebrate their 10th anniversary, Opera is giving away free registrations to their browser. Get a registration code for all desktop platforms instantly by entering your e-mail address on this page.
http://my.opera.com/community/party/reg.dml

Just got a copy. That fact that it wasn't free was the only thing keeping me from using it. It's a pretty cool browser.

I wonder if the number of downloads will influence their pricing at all.

Much grass!

Shit, that page must have been slashdotted. I can't reach it.

Soon there'll be blood spots on my F5 key



Edit: Worked after some tries, but it's pretty slow! Good to know so many people are getting into it.

Viral marketing at its best...

Allot of people are now noticing a slowdown. I got mine early in the morning around 4 AM, and at that time it was only being offered by emailing Opera.

I don't exactly know if this email address registerme@mailbox.opera.com is the one I used earlier or not, however it's worth a try if that webpage won't load though.

Thanks for the info Galley.

BTW, I have 3 questions regarding Opera:
1. What Java RE does it use - its own, or the one that is installed on the system (MS/Sun)? Is it vulnerable to exploits like ByteVerify?
2. Is it possible to create security profiles, accessible by a couple of clicks, so I can turn on/off things like java, pop-ups, etc. without going through all the settings every time?
3. Is it possible to not install Opera's email-client? Outlook Express is more than enough for me and I don't feel like spending even 1 byte for another email client.

The one installed in the system. The version with Java (~15Mb bigger than the normal version) only includes Sun JRE.



F12



Nope, it's part of the executable.

..but nothing to be afraid of. You should fear outbreak if anything.

i tested for like the 8fth time ... is it me, or the UI is horrible?

Not only you...there is something in it that makes it feel fundamentally different, not sure what it is. To the point that when, one year ago, I've tried Opera, I simply couldn't get used to it.
However since December I'm using rather lowend machine, small amount of ram and Mhz so I've had to use Opera...and got used to it. Now it's my main browser.
So...just a matter of what are you used to...

My first impression of Opera was back in the 5.xx days and I was totally converted from my then default browsers Netscape 4.xx and Internet Explorer.

For this new version I went from my licensed 7.23 to 8.02 and the first thing I thought was "what the hell did they do to it." However, after a few minutes I got used to it and also noticed it seems to run a bit smoother. I think allot of people may get turned off from Opera for the shear amount of settings that can be changed, and the amount of features; for instance the toolbar can be configured to one's liking by removing or adding options to it.

I can however understand how someone new to Opera could easily get confused when they get the defaults completely out of wack and wonder how to undo it.

I personally love Opera. I can't use Firefox because it completely crashes my WinXP system therefore I stick with Opera and occassionally use Mozilla Suite when a site doesn't load correctly in Opera. And btw being able to quickly turn off things like JavaScript, Plugins, Images, etc., is another reason why I like Opera so much.

I am using opera for years and I like it.. but since I installed Linux I can't find x86_64 version.. anyone got a clue ?

If you're comparing to IE then it's probably you, because I configured Opera UI to work practically the same as IE (no skins, no special effects, no nonsense buttons nor toolbars, etc).

I decided to switch because lately I was a victim of one of the IE vurnelabilities, and 10th anniversary was a good opportunity to switch. I steer clear from FF because I hate its communistic propaganda, besides it seems to be less secure & slower than Opera.


So far I'm very happy, but there are some things that I don't like quite a lot:

1. I can't put tabs-toolbar on top but under the address-toolbar. They should be free to move and scale, it should even be possible to put few toolbars (including menu) in one row like in IE!

2. When I hit a link to some file, it asks me if I want to Open or Save it, Opera starts to download the file to cache in the background which is fine, but then when I hit Open, instead of temporarily staying in the cache the file lands and stays for good in my download folder where it is opened from.

3. When Opera is closed and I hit a link in some application or document, Opera opens 2 tabs - one with my start page and another one with the requested page, instead of the latter only.

4. When I hit some link on the page which pictures aren't all loaded yet, and then when I come back to that page, the pictures stay unloaded.

5. I can't configure embedded Google search to use polish Google (or add any other search engine).

6. There's no scroll-bar in full-screen mode.

7. I can't configure tabs to be right-aligned (dynamic spacer doesn't seem to work there).

8. "Fit to window width" feature doesn't magnify pages which don't use the whole window ("Fit vertically" & "Fit horizontally" features would be nice).

9. I miss history browsing features from IE (by dates, sites, number of visits, etc).

Picky I am, am I not?

5. -> \Opera\profile\search.ini -> replace google.com with google.pl. If this does not work, also edit the search.ini in \Opera\.

This site has some additional buttons for Opera. AFAIK your other observations are quite correct. You might want to try asking on the opera forums for help.

That's one thing I don't care too much for either because even streaming an audio file or video file results into the user having to manually clean the download folder. It's sort of retarded and makes me wonder why the don't just utilize the cache folder.

Andavari, I just want to clear that I wasn't talking about layout or preferences at all, just the pure feel of interface, how it reacts to your clicks, etc. Opera is slightly different in this regard than most win32 apps...


@rutra80: communistic propaganda? Give me a brake...

Yes, I did. Seems that some of the things I pointed (including search which you explained too) already have workarounds

you where doing fine till this paragraph ... i cant take you comments seriouslly now

Ahh, I'm crushed

It is horrible for people too used to IE or FireFox (that is pretty much a clone of IE as far as button placement and UI structures go)

...but then again, you can rework the UI completely to suit your tastes, and it shouldn't take more than 10 minutes.



There isn't one, and they don't seem to be too hurried to make one. It is believed that software like web browsers won't benefit much from 64 bit extensions, from a performance point of view.



I don't hate FF for that (but for other reasons). I hate SpreadFireFox for its utterly stupid propaganda methods. That place is packed to the brim with pre-teens with too much time on their hands that worry about what browser people are using as if browser dominance would seal the fate of the free World.

It's as if people around here started a site begging people to give up WMA and MP3 and move on to Vorbis. Stuff for turd-brained pinheads.

I used the "no-IE info bar" on RareWares for some time (anyone here using IE to access RW must have noticed it at the main page up to some months ago), but then, I realized SpreadFF is an absolutely retarded community, and decided I didn't want any kind of relationship with them.


For an idea of what goes on at SpreadFF, click this


@rutra80: It is indeed communistic propaganda (at SpreadFF, nothing against FF itself here) in the aspect that it is very retarded and only serve to make people pissed. Now if they were following right-wing propaganda tactics (that is, Goebbels' teachings), they would be doing much better.

it's horrible by any standard ... at least for me ... i like sleekness ... not bloat ... it is worst than Mozilla's Suite interface


and what does SFF did to you personally? what they do inside sff.com, is up to them


i don't know, it feels like you just need to be allways oponing to something ... if somebody likes to promote some standarization on the web world, i don't see how that is bad ...

We have other worse examples, not directly related to spreadFF but retard anyway. At least they are funny (i dont remeber, but i think someone posted this link here beforem - maybe yourself actually IIRC.

I forgot the url, but the guy redirected you to another page if you were using IE, saying "you're here because of IE", with a whole page explaining why he did that.

What part of "you can rework the interface entirely to suit your tastes" didn't you understand?

Is your grasp on english so bad these days?



They don't need to do anything to me in a personal level for me to strongly disagree with their tactics. It only takes common sense, really.

And the problem would not be what they do inside SFF, if they kept it inside. But they take their time spreading FUD and falsities all over the web, as you can see by user reports. They are much worse than whatever they are fighting, IMO.



Not really, you won't see me oponing lots of stuff. Like WavPack. And sex. And a solution to hunger and disease in Africa.

But I won't blindly follow retarded movements just because deep inside they have a positive agenda, like you do. I have common sense.



Competition is good. Just because FF is free and open source, it doesn't mean that the WWW dominated by it ("standardized", to use your word) would be a good thing.

The problem, Javier, is that you are a one-track-mind. To you, anything coming from Microsoft is instantly evil (don't try to deny it, it's the very reason you have been warned several times). Therefore, anything opposing them - Mozilla, Google, Vorbis and/or MP3, the Open Source movement - is instantly good.

My world view is not that dichotomic.

i'm sure i can. problem is that i don't bother. i have come to the habit of leaving things like they are, 99% of the time. And as "out of the box", it is really uggly.


well, i surf a lot, and i never encountered any problem with them, like being spammed with "use ff", or such. so i really don't get what harm can they cause.


i don't have an agenda. but i LOVE consumer rights. and as a software architect, and IT specialist, i hate monopolies.


well, at least FF tries to comply with the W3C standards, that anyone can follow. there are no MS/IE standards. FF is even doing good for Opera, Safari, Konkeror.


is not that products from MS are evil. MS marketing tactics are. MS products are bad (bloated, insecure). I have been warned 3 times. Ist one a lot ago, don't even remember. then i was warmed for the WMA issues (i can mention that dibron thinks almost the same, maybe he just explains it better), and the 3rd one was really unfair, cause i only responded to one asking for problems encoding with Nero, that he could do fine with QuickTime (note: i don't use AAC, i don't encode with nero, niether with QT). But i think we could some day agree (wasnt peles in maradonas tv show? ).

Last, if it where a case of "anything against MS", i would have to love Opera. But the sad true, is that, as much as i liked to like it, i could never use it for more than 5 minutes. I have free codes and such, so it's not a "free" issue also. Anyway, was it a holliday there in BR? None of my co-worker friends where connected.

edit: i love when you call me "javier"

whoa. You must surf very few places. Are you sure you never saw anyone of these buttons populating pages around the web (most notably blogs)? Often followed by a huge diatribe about how MS is utterly evil and how FF is absolutely good.



Why do you work for IBM then? They were a big monopoly in the past. So much, that they were forced to hire a certain William Gates and his peers to create an OS for them, as the courts wouldn't allow them to bundle their own OS with their PCs.



Konqueror is Gecko integrated to KDE, so it can hardly be considered different from FF.

And what good is it doing for competing browsers?

As for W3C standards that everyone should follow: I won't get into that effete argument. If you really feel like arguing about it, visit this thread.



I never said that.



Tough luck. Welcome to corporate world. Resign from your job at IBM tomorrow, please, because let me tell you - they can be just as bad.



You are just spreading age-old FUD, like your quickly-debunked claim about IIS. Make a real point with examples and hard data, or just stop spreading pre-made catch phrases.



Nope, because Opera never posed and will probably never pose any threat against IE. The only browser with a position to threaten, if only slightly, IE's dominance is FF.



Yeah, independence day. People get all trippy about it and go out on streets on millitaristic parades. Being a banana republic just out of a military coup sucks.



Will you get even happier if I call you "Javier Arce"?

and? what wrong do they do please?


ibm was a monopolly, and was taken care by the market. but where did you got that about th OS? its completelly wrong. it was a timing issue. by the way, willy ventanas just happened to have his granfather gave him 1 million dollars, and he go out and buoght QDOS, he not even developed.


no, konqueror is not Gecko, is KHTML. It is doing better for other browsers, cause more and more companies start targeting standards, or less IE centric code. You would now argue that "open" standards are bad?


the thing is that the only real monopolly right now (and in some parts of the IT industry), is MS. And monopolies are bad. Fact.


No, i'm not. You know i'm not. When the river roars, it is carrying water (don't know how to translate perfectly in english). Yes, the IIS issue, sure. http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/today/top.avg.html


And? I was a MS supporter long ago, i started with DOS, Word (for DOS), etc. I enjoyed a lot of programs for DOS. Then all of a sudden all the interesting companies started to go bankrup, many because of the MS practices.




you just revealed my secret ... i would have to kill you now

edit: you can read countless articles on inet (try google), but here are some:

http://www.theinquirer.net/print.aspx?article=14781&print=1

http://news.com.com/2102-1023_3-229218.htm...g=st.util.print

http://www.joelonsoftware.com/articles/fog0000000049.html

http://www.kmfms.com/whatsbad.html?no_custom_colors=true

http://www.vanwensveen.nl/rants/microsoft/IhateMS.html

http://www.commondreams.org/cgi-bin/print....s04/0324-02.htm

for example: this: In late 1993, Go was sold to AT&T where it was ultimately merged into the company's portable computer subsidiary. In 1994 the phone company shut down the effort in portable computing. Three months later Microsoft canceled its PenWindows project"

Dude, you revealed it yourself when you posted a scan of your wedding invitation :B


I'll reply to the rest of your post some other time. I'm preparing to go on a trip to the beach (Fernando de Noronha) now

Rjamorin, much more stupid things than spread firefox happen... go to www.drawa.pl and again to the same adress using link at the top of http://osiolki.net/osiolek/drawa/ (the site lists "donkeys" of internet - badly written sites) using Opera (best with empty session/nothing important in other tabs...) and see for yourself (the second thing says something akin to "you're a moron...")

So...SpreadFirefox at least seems beneficial for the net in the long term...

BTW, you might try promoting other browsers using http://browsehappy.com/, I suppose you'll find it much more sensible.

PS. It's UI can be horrible for more subtle reason... it actually feels different, in the way it reacts.

PPS. And I believe rutra80 was hinting also at red stars/certain graphics style in Mozilla in general...which I actually like a bit more than opera guy actually

I don't know what you mean

Yeah, oldies (apart form lat one fo course - recent and unofficiall)...but prejudice of someone might have always stay...

I see them for the first time. Anyway, nice pictures of FF ...community, I must admit [:

just a very interesting page i got emailed: http://web.archive.org/web/20031204235647/...y/factstat.html

examples:

"You never sent me a response on the question of what things an app would do that would make it run with MSDOS and not run DR-DOS. Is there any version check or api they fail to have? Is ther feature they have that might get in our way? I am not looking for something they cant get around. I am looking for something their current binary fails on."

Bill Gates, September 22, 1988

"Bill Gates ordered to all application business units to include checking routines of operating environments and if it is Microsoft DOS, nothing will happen. But if it is non MS-DOS (such as DR-DOS), application will display messages saying that 'This application has been developed and tested for Microsoft MS-DOS. Since you use different environment, this application may not work correctly . . .' "

B. J. Bahk, August 9, 1989

"I think to be successful a DOS update has to . . . match the garbage that DR DOS does."

Bill Gates, March 6, 1992

"What the guy is supposed to do is feel uncomfortable, and when he has bugs, suspect that the problem is dr-dos and then go out to buy ms-dos. or decide not to take the risk for all the other machines he has to buy for in the office."

Brad Silverberg, February 10, 1992

"Objectives: FUD DR DOS with every editorial contact made."

MS-DOS 6 PR Plan, November 1992

there are much more to read ...

here are some more: http://www.aaxnet.com/topics/msinc.html

as i said, i can't hate a company, i hate their anticompetitive (read: anti customers) practices. anything that could make me pay more, or end up with worst products.

Seems I missed the original discussion, but to add a few thoughts on the original topic...

One of the nice things about Opera is it has lots of features which are not yet present in Firefox (at least until recently). Opera's back and forward buttons redraw the page instantly, something not present in Firefox until the recent Deer Park beta. Another nice feature is Opera's ability to rearrange tabs, also not present until Deer Park. A requirement (imo) for any tabbed browser is the ability to save all tabs on exit and open them again on startup; this works perfectly in Opera, and is unavailable in Firefox, save for a few extensions that break every time Firefox gets updated, and that fail to restore tabs quite often anyway. This is often a major source of disappointment in Firefox; extensions that I used to use are no longer updated for new versions, a skin I was using doesn't work anymore..
Other nice features of Opera: it is the only browser I've seen that can zoom a page fully and correctly (images get increased proportionately with text), and that lets you specifies whether you want to use disk space or RAM for cache, and how much of each one.
That's not to say Opera is all good; it has poor RSS handling (imo), by forcing you to use its horrible email client, whereas Firefox has the best RSS support I've seen, by showing you items from a feed in a drop down menu, which is very convenient.
One last nice thing about Opera is having builds available for Windows, Mac, Solaris, BeOS, FreeBSD, Linux, OS/2, and some other weird things I've never heard of before. Beats having to compile it yourself, if you use some obscure platform...
Lastly, one big annoyance in both browsers is that neither of them allow the interface to have more than one bookmark bar. I'd find that very useful, as I tend to access all bookmarks directly from there, instead of navigating through the bookmark menu...

I'm not sure if I understood you correctly but in FF you can create folders in the 'bookmark folder toolbar' to separate groups and access them directly from there.

As for Opera, I didn't try that myself, but I guess that when you set bookmark bar to wrap to multiple lines, additional bars should appear automatically when there's enough bookmarks.

I'm a bit annoyed about this craze (after all, FF is getting it too...) about "instant back". Yes, it's handy in most cases...but in far too many I have to reload instantly after I hit back...perhaps a good solution would be to have two "back buttons"...

I thought I would just post it here, similar topic as discussed...

http://spreadgoogletalk.com/

Oh my...I hope only the name will be similar.

I mean...I like Google Talk, I really do. In comparison to other IM operators I perhaps adore it...even if right not it is mostly a message to others "we won't let you fvck your users anymore"

But c'mon...not this...
Could it be the only way?

I just found the link I was talking about. http://www.jms1.net/

Open it first using FF, and then try to do the same using IE instead.