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wolfsong
I've looked at all three options and can't tell what to use. I want to be able to rip, apply gain and encode to MP3 with 2 seperate settings. From what I can tell this isn't possible with MAREO but probably works in both WACK and REACT but the documenation on both is a little sparse so I can't tell what's what. Can anyone give me a sample ini with the following encoder settings or something similar? I want to use album gain instead of track gain.

High Quality Archive Setting:
--nspsytune --vbr-mtrh -V1 -mj -h -b128 --lowpass 19.5 --athtype 3 --ns-sfb21 2 -Z --scale 0.98 %s %d

Portable Minimal File Size Setting:
-b 32 -m j -h --abr 70 -B 256 --resample 32 -q 2

Thanks!
kwanbis
i don't know the other 2 ... but MAREO can apply (track) gain and encode to MP3 with 2 seperate settings ...
wolfsong
QUOTE(kwanbis @ Sep 18 2005, 01:12 PM)
i don't know the other 2 ... but MAREO can apply (track) gain and encode to MP3 with 2 seperate settings ...
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Thanks but I'm looking for album gain. I'm still looking at the Wack and REACT configs to see if I can puzzle through how they work but I guess I also need to understand cuesheets and images which I've never used.
wolfsong
QUOTE(kwanbis @ Sep 18 2005, 01:12 PM)
i don't know the other 2 ... but MAREO can apply (track) gain and encode to MP3 with 2 seperate settings ...
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BTW - MAREO has great documentation and was easy to setup, just not what I needed. cool.gif
Klyith
QUOTE(wolfsong @ Sep 18 2005, 03:19 AM)
I've looked at all three options and can't tell what to use. I want to be able to rip, apply gain and encode to MP3 with 2 seperate settings. From what I can tell this isn't possible with MAREO
It is possible, you just have to not use the @dest@ variable in the ini paramaters for the encoder. You need to produce different files in two seperate locations. Instead reuse the various tag variables for filenames, something like:
-v 5 "@source@" "C:\Music\Low Quality\@artist@\@album@\@track@ - @songname@.mp3" tag options
and
-v 2 "@source@" "C:\Music\High Quality\@artist@\@album@\@track@ - @songname@.mp3" tag options

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but probably works in both WACK and REACT but the documenation on both is a little sparse so I can't tell what's what. Can anyone give me a sample ini with the following encoder settings or something similar? I want to use album gain instead of track gain.
Album gain is only possible with REACT configured to use cuesheet + image and then splitting to tracks. Otherwise the tools can't "remember" a list of tracks to do album gain on. Unfortunatly REACT is the most complex and least documented of all three. I don't know how to use it.

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High Quality Archive Setting:
--nspsytune --vbr-mtrh -V1 -mj -h -b128 --lowpass 19.5 --athtype 3 --ns-sfb21 2 -Z --scale 0.98 %s %d

Portable Minimal File Size Setting:
-b 32 -m j -h --abr 70 -B 256 --resample 32 -q 2
*sigh*
beto
QUOTE(wolfsong @ Sep 18 2005, 04:19 AM)
High Quality Archive Setting:
--nspsytune --vbr-mtrh -V1 -mj -h -b128 --lowpass 19.5 --athtype 3 --ns-sfb21 2 -Z --scale 0.98 %s %d

Portable Minimal File Size Setting:
-b 32 -m j -h --abr 70 -B 256 --resample 32 -q 2

Thanks!
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God, what is this.... crying.gif Take a look here and here.
wolfsong
QUOTE(beto @ Sep 18 2005, 03:18 PM)
QUOTE(wolfsong @ Sep 18 2005, 04:19 AM)
High Quality Archive Setting:
--nspsytune --vbr-mtrh -V1 -mj -h -b128 --lowpass 19.5 --athtype 3 --ns-sfb21 2 -Z --scale 0.98 %s %d

Portable Minimal File Size Setting:
-b 32 -m j -h --abr 70 -B 256 --resample 32 -q 2

Thanks!
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God, what is this.... crying.gif Take a look here and here.
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blink.gif I'm pretty sure I found the first setting here a while back (I was using 3.93.1) and I found the portable setting yesterday somewhere.

One of the reasons I'm struggling with a lack of documentation is that WaveGain and LAME have been updated so I do want to try the new settings but as stated earlier, I probably need to use REACT and it's the most difficult to understand. There's a ton of stuff in it's config and none of it is commented (it looks every combo will run in the file). I've also never done the image/cuesheet thing so I don't know what I'm looking at. huh.gif
k.eight.a
QUOTE(wolfsong @ Sep 17 2005, 11:19 PM)
High Quality Archive Setting:
--nspsytune --vbr-mtrh -V1 -mj -h -b128 --lowpass 19.5 --athtype 3 --ns-sfb21 2 -Z --scale 0.98 %s %d
I sure that this command line comes from the old r3mix suggestions which had a shortcut --r3mix in the older lame versions! wink.gif
Have in mind that this setting is obsolete and is not as good as the HA suggestion in List of recommended LAME settings.

I'd better to stick to -V2 (--preset standard) with the latest stable Lame 3.96.1 or the new Lame 3.97beta1 with setting -V 2 --vbr-new (--preset fast standard)... smile.gif
wolfsong
QUOTE(k.eight.a @ Sep 18 2005, 04:51 PM)
QUOTE(wolfsong @ Sep 17 2005, 11:19 PM)
High Quality Archive Setting:
--nspsytune --vbr-mtrh -V1 -mj -h -b128 --lowpass 19.5 --athtype 3 --ns-sfb21 2 -Z --scale 0.98 %s %d
I sure that this command line comes from the old r3mix suggestions which had in the older lame versions a shortcut --r3mix !!! wink.gif
Have in mind that this setting is obsolete and is not as good as the HA suggestion in List of recommended LAME settings.

I'd better to stick to -V2 (--preset standard) with the latest stable Lame 3.96.1 or the new Lame 3.97beta1 with setting -V 2 --vbr-new (--preset fast standard)... smile.gif
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That's what I'm planning on using if I can just get REACT figured out. If anyone has suggestions/experience with configuring REACT please let me know.
k.eight.a
QUOTE(wolfsong @ Sep 18 2005, 01:54 PM)
That's what I'm planning on using if I can just get REACT figured out. If anyone has suggestions/experience with configuring REACT please let me know.
Yeah, I'm also interested! Fortunately I don't need album gain I'll stick to MP3Gain... smile.gif
kindofblue
REACT has an autoconfigure command. Put REACT.exe in your EAC directory, run it, and hit Alt-F2. The ini file needs to be edited to specify paths for encoders, commandlines (just the portion that you'll use, e.g.lame-tracks) etc. but that's it. I've been using it for a few months. No problems so far.

Here's my config file:
CODE
[Settings]
Version=0.981
EAC=C:\Programs\eac095b1\EAC.exe
WaveGain=C:\Programs\eac095b1\WaveGain.exe
LogFile=C:\Programs\eac095b1\REACT_log.txt
ImageHotkey={F10}
ImageNaming=$artist$--$album$--$year$
KeyRemap1={F4}|+{F5}
KeyRemap2=|
KeyRemap3=|
MinimizeCompressionWindow=1
ProcessPriority=1
ImageMenuString=&Action|Copy &Image && Create CUE Sheet|Compressed...
SaveWaveformString=Save Waveform
Sla_Bks_Col_Qst_Bar_Quo_Ast_Lt_Gt=-|-|-||!|'|#|[|]

[flaclame-tracks]
DESCRIPTION=Create FLAC and LAME -V8 mp3 files
WaveGainAnalysis=1
WaveGainExtraOpt=
dest1=E:\My Music\_Lossless\$album$\@track@. $title$ - @artist@.flac
dest2=E:\My Music\_Portable\$album$\@track@. $title$ - @artist@.mp3
1=>"C:\Programs\Batchenc\flac.exe" -8 -f -V --replay-gain "@source@" -o "@dest1@" -T artist="@artist@" -T album="@album@" -T title="@title@" -T tracknumber="@track@" -T date="@year@" -T genre="@genre@" -T comment="FLAC 1.1.2 + REACT"
2=>if errorlevel 1 pause
3=>"C:\Programs\Batchenc\lame397a11.exe" -V8 --vbr-new --ignore-tag-errors --priority 0 --add-id3v2 --pad-id3v2 --noreplaygain --scale @scale@ "@source@" "@dest2@" --ta "@artist@" --tl "@album@" --tt "@title@" --tn "@track@" --ty "@year@" --tg "@genre@" --tc "LAME 3.97a11 -V8 vbr-new + REACT"
4=>if errorlevel 1 pause
5=>del "@source@"


wolfsong
QUOTE(kindofblue @ Sep 18 2005, 09:17 PM)
REACT has an autoconfigure command. Put REACT.exe in your EAC directory, run it, and hit Alt-F2. The ini file needs to be edited to specify paths for encoders, commandlines (just the portion that you'll use, e.g.lame-tracks) etc. but that's it.  I've been using it for a few months. No problems so far.
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I've done that and it doesn't work for me. Can you post your ini?
kindofblue
@wolfsong: See my post above.
wolfsong
QUOTE(kindofblue @ Sep 18 2005, 09:29 PM)
@wolfsong: See my post above.
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Again... I've done that and it's not working for me.
Gabes Dad
QUOTE(kindofblue @ Sep 18 2005, 09:17 PM)
REACT has an autoconfigure command. Put REACT.exe in your EAC directory, run it, and hit Alt-F2. The ini file needs to be edited to specify paths for encoders, commandlines (just the portion that you'll use, e.g.lame-tracks) etc. but that's it.  I've been using it for a few months. No problems so far.

Here's my config file:
CODE
[Settings]
Version=0.981
EAC=C:\Programs\eac095b1\EAC.exe
WaveGain=C:\Programs\eac095b1\WaveGain.exe
LogFile=C:\Programs\eac095b1\REACT_log.txt
ImageHotkey={F10}
ImageNaming=$artist$--$album$--$year$
KeyRemap1={F4}|+{F5}
KeyRemap2=|
KeyRemap3=|
MinimizeCompressionWindow=1
ProcessPriority=1
ImageMenuString=&Action|Copy &Image && Create CUE Sheet|Compressed...
SaveWaveformString=Save Waveform
Sla_Bks_Col_Qst_Bar_Quo_Ast_Lt_Gt=-|-|-||!|'|#|[|]

[flaclame-tracks]
DESCRIPTION=Create FLAC and LAME -V8 mp3 files
WaveGainAnalysis=1
WaveGainExtraOpt=
dest1=E:\My Music\_Lossless\$album$\@track@. $title$ - @artist@.flac
dest2=E:\My Music\_Portable\$album$\@track@. $title$ - @artist@.mp3
1=>"C:\Programs\Batchenc\flac.exe" -8 -f -V --replay-gain "@source@" -o "@dest1@" -T artist="@artist@" -T album="@album@" -T title="@title@" -T tracknumber="@track@" -T date="@year@" -T genre="@genre@" -T comment="FLAC 1.1.2 + REACT"
2=>if errorlevel 1 pause
3=>"C:\Programs\Batchenc\lame397a11.exe" -V8 --vbr-new --ignore-tag-errors --priority 0 --add-id3v2 --pad-id3v2 --noreplaygain --scale @scale@ "@source@" "@dest2@" --ta "@artist@" --tl "@album@" --tt "@title@" --tn "@track@" --ty "@year@" --tg "@genre@" --tc "LAME 3.97a11 -V8 vbr-new + REACT"
4=>if errorlevel 1 pause
5=>del "@source@"

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kindofblue, wouldn't this setup only apply wavegain on a per track basis thus rendering track replaygain tags useless? Just wondering because I'm trying to figures this out myself.

Thanks.
windowshade
QUOTE(wolfsong @ Sep 18 2005, 01:19 AM)
Can anyone give me a sample ini with the following encoder settings or something similar? I want to use album gain instead of track gain.

High Quality Archive Setting:
--nspsytune --vbr-mtrh -V1 -mj -h -b128 --lowpass 19.5 --athtype 3 --ns-sfb21 2 -Z --scale 0.98 %s %d

Portable Minimal File Size Setting:
-b 32 -m j -h --abr 70 -B 256 --resample 32 -q 2

Thanks!
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I see you've been leaning towards REACT. WACK is simple to configure although there are a couple things that can go wrong! wink.gif For the record, WACK does what you want with the following encoders.ini:
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[MP3-ID3 V0]
EXEPATH="C:\Program Files\EAC\lame.exe"  ;;;;;;;;;; or wherever you have it
ARGUMENTS=-V0 --scale "%x" --ignore-tag-errors --add-id3v2 --pad-id3v2 --ta "%a" --tt "%t" --tl "%g" --ty "%y" --tn "%n" --tg "%m" %s %d
FILEPATH="C:\Documents and Settings\All Users\Documents\My Music\%a\[%y] %g\V0\%a - %g - %n - %t" ;;;;;;;;;; or wherever you want
EXTENSION=.mp3
FILETYPE=1
APPLYREPLAYGAIN=false ;;;;;;;;;; mp3gain stores it's information in APEv2 tags.
REPLAYGAINEXEPATH=    ;;;;;;;;;; Using mp3gain with ID3 tags will cause the tags
REPLAYGAINARGUMENTS=  ;;;;;;;;;; to disappear on some players (ie, Foobar).

[MP3-ID3 V5]
EXEPATH="C:\Program Files\EAC\lame.exe" ;;;;;;;;;; or wherever you have it
ARGUMENTS=-V5 --vbr-new --scale "%x" --ignore-tag-errors --add-id3v2 --pad-id3v2 --ta "%a" --tt "%t" --tl "%g" --ty "%y" --tn "%n" --tg "%m" %s %d
FILEPATH="C:\Documents and Settings\All Users\Documents\My Music\%a\[%y] %g\V5\%a - %g - %n - %t"
EXTENSION=.mp3
FILETYPE=1
APPLYREPLAYGAIN=false ;;;;;;;;;; mp3gain stores it's information in APEv2 tags.
REPLAYGAINEXEPATH=    ;;;;;;;;;; Using mp3gain with ID3 tags will cause the tags
REPLAYGAINARGUMENTS=  ;;;;;;;;;; to disappear on some players (ie, Foobar).

Things which may or may not seem obvious to you:
1. You'll change the file paths...
2. For the album gain scale factor to work, you need wavegain (v1.2.5 works) in the WACK directory. WACK (usually) outputs compressed files scaled to an album gain of about 0.0 dB. This is nice if your portable doesn't support ReplayGain--the volumes are already levelled by album and your files are ready to play.
3. The two configurations require unique names: you can't call them both "[MP3-ID3]".
4. To avoid overwriting files, specify a unique FILEPATH for both configs.
5. Almost off-topic: for a top-notch archive, use lossless. (I assume you're working with limited disc space.)

rdS
Klyith
QUOTE(windowshade @ Sep 20 2005, 12:07 AM)
2. For the album gain scale factor to work, you need wavegain (v1.2.5 works) in the WACK directory. WACK (usually) outputs compressed files scaled to an album gain of about 0.0 dB. This is nice if your portable doesn't support ReplayGain--the volumes are already levelled by album and your files are ready to play.

But you should be aware that this means the sound has been permanently and irrevocably altered from the original on the cd.

One thing you should think about: I know you want album gain on your files, but you might think about just doing track gain tags with mp3gain during the encoding process. Later you can use foobar to do the album tags. This will take very little time, because foobar will not need to rescan all the files. It will just look at the track gain tags and compute the average album gain from that. It's another step, but one that won't be very difficult.
wolfsong
QUOTE(Klyith @ Sep 19 2005, 11:48 PM)
One thing you should think about: I know you want album gain on your files, but you might think about just doing track gain tags with mp3gain during the encoding process. Later you can use foobar to do the album tags. This will take very little time, because foobar will not need to rescan all the files. It will just look at the track gain tags and compute the average album gain from that. It's another step, but one that won't be very difficult.
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I'm not sure I understand why I would want to do that. Foobar isn't my player of choice and the primary use for these files isn't always my desktop. Doesn't track gain increase volume to the "same" level across all tracks?
wolfsong
QUOTE(windowshade @ Sep 19 2005, 11:07 PM)
I see you've been leaning towards REACT. WACK is simple to configure although there are a couple things that can go wrong! wink.gif

Not leaning in any particular direction as long as it gets the result I'm looking for. I'm still using MAREO. Someone tycho replied with a solution that I tested for REACT but I'm not sure yet if it's doing the album gain and when one of the tracks failed (both times) there was no indication in the log file as to why so I'm not convinced I should use it. What exactly can go wrong? ermm.gif

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2. For the album gain scale factor to work, you need wavegain (v1.2.5 works) in the WACK directory. WACK (usually) outputs compressed files scaled to an album gain of about 0.0 dB. This is nice if your portable doesn't support ReplayGain--the volumes are already levelled by album and your files are ready to play.

Can I specify the path instead? I'd prefer keeping each encoder and tool in it's own directory.

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5. Almost off-topic: for a top-notch archive, use lossless. (I assume you're working with limited disc space.)

rdS
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Well I actually have a lot of disk space but not enough for 2 versions of my entire collection. I'm not so sure a lossless format is what I need at the moment since I'm unclear on the advantages. Is there a particular format you suggest?
windowshade
QUOTE(wolfsong @ Sep 20 2005, 06:23 AM)
What exactly can go wrong? ermm.gif

It requires the .NET framework; no problem if you're using XP. Some people have reported trouble getting it to work. However, once you get it running, it's quite reliable. This thread has more detail.

QUOTE(wolfsong @ Sep 20 2005, 06:23 AM)
Can I specify the path instead? I'd prefer keeping each encoder and tool in it's own directory.

WaveGain.exe is about 51.5K. I splurged and made a copy for Wack to use.

QUOTE(wolfsong @ Sep 20 2005, 06:23 AM)
Well I actually have a lot of disk space but not enough for 2 versions of my entire collection. I'm not so sure a lossless format is what I need at the moment since I'm unclear on the advantages. Is there a particular format you suggest?
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I hear you. It's just something to think about before you rip a couple hundred CDs... Start with the HA.org Wiki: Lossless and Lossless Comparison.
wolfsong
QUOTE(windowshade @ Sep 20 2005, 08:53 PM)
QUOTE(wolfsong @ Sep 20 2005, 06:23 AM)
Can I specify the path instead? I'd prefer keeping each encoder and tool in it's own directory.

WaveGain.exe is about 51.5K. I splurged and made a copy for Wack to use.
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It's more of a maintence issue than one of space. I don't want to have to remember to copy it to another directory as it's updated.
Dondo
QUOTE(windowshade @ Sep 20 2005, 12:07 AM)


2. For the album gain scale factor to work, you need wavegain (v1.2.5 works) in the WACK directory. WACK (usually) outputs compressed files scaled to an album gain of about 0.0 dB. This is nice if your portable doesn't support ReplayGain--the volumes are already levelled by album and your files are ready to play.

5. Almost off-topic: for a top-notch archive, use lossless. (I assume you're working with limited disc space.)

rdS
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Windowshade, I see you're a WACK user, and interested in lossless. Using WACK, have you been able to get your CDimage.wav "album gained" before converting to a lossless format like FLAC? I you have, perhaps you could look at my question in the WACK thread?
ocluke
I'm interested in this same topic. Has this been covered somewhere else on this forum. I'm a guy who is not an audio technician, but does value his music. I would like to rip my CD collection to a good lossless file for archiving and a lossy (most likely LAME -v2, but possibly a VBR AAC) for portable use on my iPod. A gain normalization would be ideal as well, but I'm not sure how I would like to set that up either.

I looked at MAREO (really because it's the only thing I found), but it seems confusing for me to set up. Can someone please point me to which one of these programs would best suit my needs, and if you recommend one, where would I go to get all the "how to" information on getting it set up for my use.

So, I guess what I'm saying is...help please.
Synthetic Soul
If you're looking to make a lossless image and track lossy files in one run then you have narrowed it down to WACK and REACT.

Both will do what you want, including being able to use a scale value with your lossy encoder (e.g.: LAME).

The documentation for WACK is on the WACK website.

For help with REACT just search the forums for "REACT" and try to pick up some tips from either tycho's posts or others sharing their findings/problems.

Both will need a bit of INI editing I'm afraid.

The good news is that both ponchorage and tycho are always very helpful if you post your requirements/problems to the forum. Other users can be useful too.

wolfsong
QUOTE(ocluke @ Nov 16 2005, 04:02 AM)
I'm interested in this same topic.  Has this been covered somewhere else on this forum.  I'm a guy who is not an audio technician, but does value his music.  I would like to rip my CD collection to a good lossless file for archiving and a lossy (most likely LAME -v2, but possibly a VBR AAC) for portable use on my iPod. A gain normalization would be ideal as well, but I'm not sure how I would like to set that up either.

I looked at MAREO (really because it's the only thing I found), but it seems confusing for me to set up.  Can someone please point me to which one of these programs would best suit my needs, and if you recommend one, where would I go to get all the "how to" information on getting it set up for my use.

So, I guess what I'm saying is...help please.
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I actually found MAREO fairly easy to setup but unable to do exactly what I want since it only does track level gain. It can create the multiple file types in single session.
kwanbis
for the next version of MAREO, i would add support of album gain.
wolfsong
QUOTE(kwanbis @ Nov 16 2005, 08:18 AM)
for the next version of MAREO, i would add support of album gain.
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WOW! Excellent news. I'm still struggling with REACT and was about to try WACK again.
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