OK I remove post, but I posted here because I read here something about JHymn and so on.

Right at the top of the screen where you entered your post:


From the Terms Of Service to which you agreed when you registered to ha.org:


Best solution to circumvent DRM: Dont buy DRMed music.

- Lyx

And maybe laws in my country are different from the ones in your country. If I buy an album on Apple Music Store, why can't I write it on CD? If I bought it...

Welcome to the world of DRM.

realistically, the TOS #9 prohibits any linking at all. Copyrighted material is everywhere; copyright is inherent in virtually all modern written works, except in cases where the author explicitly grants exception. GPL'd works are copyrighted too, so no linking to those? One should never ever post links on HA.org if this TOS is followed to the letter.

©2005 riggits, all rights reserved

Yeah, TOS #9 really needs to be rephrased. Not only can we not link to the NY Times, according to it, we can't even link to the Wikipedia.

The other item (the "No Warez" disclaimer) isn't quite as problematic, but it does prohibit me from asking, e.g., where I can buy Yesterday, by the Beatles.

Thats all rather irrelevant, because the point was asking about how to break copyprotection..... not linking.

Irrelevant to the topic at hand, yes, but it's still in need of rephrasing.

Since your signature states that you are from Italy (and thus from the EU with one of the most rigid copyright laws in the world), the HA.org terms of services can be applied in your case.

BTW ... you should be able to burn music that has been purchased over iTunes Music Store with the iTunes software.

True: according to the current state of the TOS, it should be forbidden to talk or post links about iTunes Music Store itself, because "Discussion containing information of how to obtain such material ["copyrighted or illegal material"] (...) will not be tolerated".

Buying online or in a regular shop the latest Metallica or Alban Berg Quartett album is obtaining copyrighted material.
What should be forbidden is obtaining or trying to obtain "copyrighted material by an illegal way" but not getting "copyrighted or illegal material".

i'm not sure i totally agree with you jeanluc
here [in holland] it's only illegal to circumvent copyprotection when it requires 'a certain amount of skill' to cirumvent said protection.. it's a very vague law in what it considers "sufficient" protection, but that's really moot here

regardless, last time i checked, the Netherlands were part of the EU, so if you're saying that since he lives in the eu, he must be living under strict copyright regulations, you would apparently be incorrect in assuming such

regardless.. what exactly do you consider ?"

i'd think the DCMA is *far* more restrictive than anything the EU would ever come up with..
Other than that it's illegal to *share* copyrighted material in most countries of the EU (ignoring sweden's recent anti-dl laws), i can't really think of anything else that's being restricted in the EU.. afaik it's legal everywhere to make a (backup) copy for personal use, which is essentially what the thread starter is asking about, even if the iTunes DRM already allows for writing the music to cd a limited number of times (which somewhat invalidates the question if he is thinking in terms of fair use)

oh well, that's all

P.S. Sorry for rambling on a bit at times.

Use iTunes to remove the copy protection, burn to a cd-r then re-rip.

As Spoon said, iTunes will let you burn DRM'd tracks with no problems. If you actually look at what the DRM does, I think you will be surprised at how unobtrusive it really is.

Even if transcoding is the only choice it is not the best choice.

Yeah, you are referring to the "simple means" thingie ... but using a program that removes DRM from bought music files is (IMO, at least) just the same as using a cracked *.exe for your computer game. This isn't what I call 'simple means'.



No time for verbal hair-splitting ... if he is an italian citizen and lives in Italy, the european copyright laws (that prohibit removing DRM from files) are valid in his case.



Downloading is illegal ... circumventing any kind of working copy protection by third-party programs is illegal, too ... the only real difference between the US (DCMA) and the EU is the fact that more people are actually sued in the US.

I still would consider the EU's copyright laws rigid when being compared to Russia, China, India (which have about 35% of the world population).



You are dead wrong if you believe in this ... you are allowed to create backup copies of non-protected (!) material for safety/backup purposes if you own the original. You are not allowed to e.g. create a backup copy of a protected game and burn it to disc along with a cracked NoCD/DVD *.exe file



If I recall correctly, he was asking about how to break iTunes DRM ... and since HA.org is responsible (under US law, I assume) for everything that is posted around here, they have to clean up their cabin. Otherwise, this wonderful community could be in deep trouble some day ...

There's no transcoding involved when burning a disc.

..downloading multimedia files isn't illegal here.. and i doubt we're the only country in the EU where that's the case...

As I understood Spoon advises to burn and rerip. However rips you'll get would be limited. You can use them either uncompressed or loselesly compressed. Lossy compression would be transcoding. IMHO not so much use of them.

si senior. . DMCA was signed into law on May 14th, 1998 by a unanimous vote from House and Senate and then later signed into law by the then President Clinton. What you are referring to is closely related to Title I in the bill. There have been a million revisions to it since then including DMCRA, for other purposes today. EU Copyright Directive is slightly different, however EU Copyright Directive. Those are the countries involved in it. I don't understand Parlimentary systems that much, besides U.K. I was baffled by the concept of a Unitary System, when I first learned about it a few months ago. A class is Comperative Politics is much needed . European Parliment seems to be closely modelled in certain ways after U.S Congress, which I find intriguing. TOS #9 should be revised to takes account the DMCA and how U.S law applies to these forums. That's my take on the situation.

I bought an album on Apple Music Store and my idea was to write CD to listen it in my car. I legally bought and download the album....
Now I'm sure that in Italy I can backup music that I buy but I don't know I can change format because in this way I could spread it illegally over the web. I think this is the sense of DRM.
This is what I meant to say in my original post.

Breaking copyprotection is only illegal in the U.S.A. and in the E.U. as far as I know. We're absolutely free to discuss it in other countries.

Buuut, this isn't a country. This is a forum. What the admin team says, goes.

Are you numb or what? Just burn the CD in iTunes and then use it to play in the car. You don't have to break the DRM at all. How many times must this be repeated?

No, I'm not numb... I've tried to do that but it doesn't works at all.... maybe it's something concerning iTunes 6... boh, I don't know...

You might try reading the Wikipedia article on FairPlay (the DRM technology in question).

Well, then it's not a DRM issue.

You're right, I'm numb at all.... it works.... it was something about aythorization on my computer...

But if I can write CD from my music downloaded from Music Store so is DRM useless or not? It isn't a real protection or am I wrong again?

No, a CD made with iTunes is a completely normal audio CD, regardless of the source files used. The only limitation is that you may only burn 7 copies of any particular playlist that contains protected files.

The goals of iTunes DRM are to:
- Prevent the FILES from being distributed
- Prevent users from using iTunes as a "CD factory" with protected files

That is really about it. It is not "heavy duty" DRM, just a speed bump that will discourage casual piracy.

Once you have burned a CD with purchased music, you may indeed play it anywhere or re-rip it to create unprotected files. Of course the resulting files will be effectively transcoded and so will be somewhat reduced in quality.

I routinely re-rip CDs of tunes purchased on ITMS to MP3 for my work PC; that way, I don't have to authorize iTunes on yet another machine, but I can still hear what I paid for. Using LAME -V 3 settings it is more than acceptable, with minimal transcoding artifacts.

Depends on what you mean by useless. It's enough to deter most people from "illegally" giving all their music to their friends most of the time, but without preventing them from doing basic things, such as burning a CD. I have to imagine this is probably all that Apple wanted.