What do you guys think about it, do you have it?

My softmodded xbox will suffice for the time being, I don't really see any need to get a 360 as of now, being that many have problems and the demand is too high to easily get your hands on one, and there's only one real reason to have it this second: Perfect Dark Zero.

But of course I can wait. And the last time I played videogames was when Halo 2 came out, so I don't know.

i like it very much. IBM has done a wonderfull job with PPC. Same for ATI. As a Dreamcast fan, i can't help but notice how much it looks like "Dreamcast 2"

I hope they can break Sony's monopoly, so we can have more or less

Sony 33%
MS 33%
N 33%

I wouldn't waste my hard-earned money on it, but the overheating and crash reports are surely not what I expected. I guess they rushed it too much to get it out before Christmas.



Yeah, if Sony doesn't break Nintendo first

There are some reports that it scratches the game DVDs after a while:

http://www.computerbase.de/bild/news/12439/1/

Amazing. I never saw a video game console release so plagued by bugs and glitches.

the problem appears to be afecting a very little % of systems, and it also appear to be the power supply.

(how strange, roberto bashing MS, and i defending it)

No, the scratching is a different problem, and it only seems to happen in the horizontal position (makes no scratches when it's positioned vertically).

I'll have to decide between the xbox 360 and the ps3 either sometime late next year or by 2008, I'd like to give these new systems at least a year so that all the "horror" stories like overheating, crashing, scratches discs can be tested for me by those willing to pay top dollar for the consoles when they're introduced. It will allow me to make an informed decision without being an unwilling test subject.

At the current point in time even without seeing an xbox 360 and ps3 going head-to-head playing the same game on identical t.v.'s I'd probably steer towards the xbox 360! Why, well history is involved; Because Sony's PlayStation 1 which I went through a record 5 units and the PlayStation 2 which I'm on my second unit. The PlayStation's (1 and 2) have been what I would call "not built tough-enough" but then again what modern electronics are anymore, they usually stop working after only a few years, but at least I know how to maintain my ps2 via a cleaning routine and lubrication of the rails every six months.

Same thing happened with the PS2 however it was opposite, and "could" happen when using the vertical stand. When I used the vertical stand I noticed one game disc I played allot was starting to get a very slight scratch on it which quickly prompted me to revert to the horizontal position.

hmm, my xbox 360 isn't overheating and it is sitting right on the carpet

360 looks very primissing, it has generated a lot of interest, an MS is playing wise here. the problems reported are very few/rare, but they get reported and go into press. nobody reports "my 360 works ok!". anyway, linux on 360 is already being researched, as many other things. you can tell i'm not an MS fanboy, so i talk about my experience/knowledge here.


http://www.free60.org/wiki/Documentation

http://www.xbox-scene.com/xbox1data/sep/EE...uAZNKspxuHt.php

i would get one as soon as i can.

How can you be so sure of it?



haha, that's our in-house corporation hater. It only took them to start featuring an IBM CPU for you to start drooling all over them.

Only some PSU's are somewhat faulty...


Perhaps he wants to take part in money loosing proces by MS

It's not even exactly an IBM CPU. AFAIK, MS licensed PPC and are manufacturing their own CPU (I'm not entirely sure this is correct, but I've seen it multiple places) with the PPC ISA.

IBM is also not even the sole designer of the PPC ISA.

As for corporation haters/consistency, we'll see how that pans out when all the people bitching at Sony right now are willing to still buy a PS3

yes, I know, it's AIM



Well, I bitch at them for their lousy lossy audio format and despicable DRM initiatives. But I praise them for their high quality electronic devices and, of course, the Play Station line (I own a PS2 myself).

IMO, Sony - among others - is too big to be taken as a single monolitic corporation. I hate the media content division (Columbia & al), but I love the Sony Computer Entertainment division...


Microsoft (just to cite a classical example) is not so easy, since it's quite hard to find a whole division of it worth praising :B

Sony makes some decent electronics. Not all are high quality though -- I think they are often overvalued (at least these days). They also seem to be somewhat inconsistent in how they support certain lines of their electronics, whether it be their unusual format related decisions, or other things like their lack of strong support for the PSP (which is shaping up to be a bit of a flop at this point).

As for the monolithic corporation thing -- sure, there is something to be said for the fact that they are so big that different divisions often have their own agenda. At the same time, they are coupled enough to all have the Sony brand. And I'm not entirely convinced the electronics division is free from fault either. I suspect that the DRM in BluRay is going to be pretty bad too.

I myself had planned on probably buying a PS3 eventually, but I'm having serious doubts about it now. It's too bad because most of what I've seen looks great, like the MGS4 stuff, the FF tech demo, etc.

On the other hand, the 360 is looking pretty sweet right now with how well MS has promoted and supported Live. As far as I know, Sony still doesn't have a good answer for this, and it's getting a bit late at this point to develop something that can truly compete with Live given the headstart it has had since the original xbox.

In any case, it will be interesting to see what happens. Sony doesn't seem to be doing so hot financially these days, and they are facing stiffer competition this time around I think, plus supposedly fighting on multiple fronts with their PSP.

you know, i trust MS


no, i didn't care about IBM being the designer of the CPU, Revolution and PS3 are also IBM designed, so it is even there. I like the 360 cause: 1) had a PS1 & PS2, and even if good, they never impressed me more than my Dreamcast. In fact, i still feel the DC is the best console of the last next generation (PS2, DC, GameCube). I never liked N too much, cause their games are too childish, and what i only play most is sports (soccer, racing, box) and FPS. So that at first leaves revolution out of the battle. Then as i said, i don't think PS3 would be that impresive, *i* think Sony is playing hype machine again,a s they did at PS2 launch time. And as Dibron said, i also feel Sony is really overvalued. Last, PS3 appears it would be pricey. So, that leaves the 360 as main bet. And you know i don't like MS.

I think you got a bad fever :B



About it being the best... well, we discussed that to death already, but I find it amusing that Sega's hardware division died precisely because the Dreamcast was a flop



I agree, their market is too centered on Mario and Zelda and the like.



People said the same about the PSP...

I don't find any of the titles announced for the 360 at all enticing. They all look like a new coat of paint on a game I've played a million times already. I'll hold out for the Revolution. Nintendo seems to be the only company that emphasizes gameplay over glitz. I find it difficult to support Sony or Microsoft in good conscience.

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With the cost of an HDTV to get good resolution out of the 360, its probably cheaper to get an expensive gaming computer.

Mass-production economics are starting to make some effect on HDTV.

I'd suspect it'll get quite cheap around 2007 and 2008. Same thing happened with DVD player - damn expensive when it was released, but these days it's much cheaper than a VCR.

Yes, it will get cheaper to make them, but at some point you would guess they would stop putting down the retail price and keep the profit from manufacturing being cheaper.

But yes, by 07/08 the 360 and an HDTV should be cheaper then a gaming computer. (But maybe by then a gaming computer will be able to surpass the 360 in graphics by alot, who knows.)

I'm having the same thoughts, therefore I'll wait and see what happens by this time next year and probably make a decision around that time, or a bit later in 2007.

One good thing about the xbox 360 is Microsoft is supposedly commited to try again with a different new console in the future if the xbox 360 fails.

Yes, but it won't be an easy thing to do once the chinese and taiwanese manufacturers start flooding the market with cheap average-quality products.

You don't need a HDTV to play the 360 though. And if you do buy a HDTV, it's a more versatile and long-lasting piece of equipment than a gaming PC...



There's too much competition from no-name manufacturers that they can allow themselves to do that. Look at Pioneer - their current flagship plasma is 1/3 the price of what it would be just a couple of years ago.