I'd love to use Ogg, but I don't use it. Why? Simply because music goes where people go... Many people now have CF or HD based players, right? Did you find any player that supports Ogg? Ok,ok, I know that floating point issue that has just been resloved... that's why it's time to ACT now and stop whining for Ogg support for Creative, Apple or Rio products! The more people we get on this, the more chamces we have to suceed...
I know it is an excellent encoder but if hardware manufacturers don't follow, it will stay as it is now: unknown and underestimated
Full Version: Ogg Lobbying
Well, i think it's a matter of time until hardware companies add ogg decoding to their equipment. Besides, most of the audio/DVD players now support firmware upgrade, wich means they support future formats. All you got to do is go online, download the latest firmware update from your player website, burn it to a CD and insert it in the player. You don't have to buy new equipment to decode .ogg.
Pretty simple.
I'm changing to .ogg
Pretty simple.
I'm changing to .ogg
I am using several mp3 players. all of them got a firmware upgradable chip... then what? do you think it's for new formats like ogg? that's what they say for marketing, the truth is that FW is for fixing bugs because products have to be out on the market asap... $$$$$$$$$$$$$$
I own a NJB (Nomad jukebox by Creative) since the very beginning (some 2 years ago) and sure I freaked out when I saw UPGRADABLE FIRMWARE on the box... but what happened since the day I bought it... updated UI, fixed faster boot, more functions... that's all!!!
I own a NJB (Nomad jukebox by Creative) since the very beginning (some 2 years ago) and sure I freaked out when I saw UPGRADABLE FIRMWARE on the box... but what happened since the day I bought it... updated UI, fixed faster boot, more functions... that's all!!!
Then take a look at this post.
Ogg is the future of lossy compression. Winamp supports it for Standard and Full installs since version 2.80, and i'm sure other players can playback it too.
Hardware will follow
Ogg is the future of lossy compression. Winamp supports it for Standard and Full installs since version 2.80, and i'm sure other players can playback it too.
Hardware will follow
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Well, i think it's a matter of time until hardware companies add ogg decoding to their equipment. Besides, most of the audio/DVD players now support firmware upgrade, wich means they support future formats. All you got to do is go online, download the latest firmware update from your player website, burn it to a CD and insert it in the player. You don't have to buy new equipment to decode .ogg.
That would be very good, but the companies are interested in money. So do they want to sell an new player with vorbis support for 200/$ or do they want to offer firmware-upgrades for 0/$? The players are already sold, so they donīt care about them anymore, you may have a chance if the player is still an produced and sold model, but if itīs old they wonīt develope something that doesnīt bring them money. They want you to buy a new player, not upgrade your old one.
You can't generalize. I'm sure big companies like Creative Labs and iRiver whose support to the consumer is excellent will update their firmware, even for older products.
Seems like iRiver is already working on it. They will add ogg support for their players.
And if iRiver's going to update... you know how it works - other companies have to update too... they don't want iRiver to have better products then them.
Seems like iRiver is already working on it. They will add ogg support for their players.
QUOTE(atici @ Sep 24 2002 - 10:20 AM)
Check out the great news! (w00t)
From : iRiver User Forum
Ladies and Gentlemen and other assorted interested parties:
This morning (2:28am, EDT), I received an E-mail from Y.H. Lee, the Chief Engineer of iRiver's products. He has informed me that they are currently porting the fixed-point Ogg Vorbis decoder (Tremor) to their product. We will endeavour to assist them in any way we can.
In addition to letting iRiver know that we stand behind them ready to assist with technical issues, I believe a huge thanks is in order to the people who have contacted iRiver asking them to support our format. We're indebted to all of you who have posted looking for Vorbis support on this thread, as well as all of you who have sent iRiver E-mails and called them on the telephone.
With any luck, it won't be long before iRiver starts releasing products with Ogg Vorbis support. When the day comes, I hope you'll all take a moment to congratulate yourselves, and celebrate with a portable full of music encoded in an open and free format.
If anyone has any questions, comments, or anything they want to talk about, please feel free to drop me an E-mail to emmett@xiph.org, or give me a call at 215-820-9583. We're an open source project, and we love hearing from people, talking about the codec, and discussing cool stuff. Please don't hesitate to contact us if you want to gripe, complain or compliment.
Thanks again for all your help, folks. We couldn't do it without you.
Emmett Plant
CEO, Xiph.org Foundation
From : iRiver User Forum
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Ladies and Gentlemen and other assorted interested parties:
This morning (2:28am, EDT), I received an E-mail from Y.H. Lee, the Chief Engineer of iRiver's products. He has informed me that they are currently porting the fixed-point Ogg Vorbis decoder (Tremor) to their product. We will endeavour to assist them in any way we can.
In addition to letting iRiver know that we stand behind them ready to assist with technical issues, I believe a huge thanks is in order to the people who have contacted iRiver asking them to support our format. We're indebted to all of you who have posted looking for Vorbis support on this thread, as well as all of you who have sent iRiver E-mails and called them on the telephone.
With any luck, it won't be long before iRiver starts releasing products with Ogg Vorbis support. When the day comes, I hope you'll all take a moment to congratulate yourselves, and celebrate with a portable full of music encoded in an open and free format.
If anyone has any questions, comments, or anything they want to talk about, please feel free to drop me an E-mail to emmett@xiph.org, or give me a call at 215-820-9583. We're an open source project, and we love hearing from people, talking about the codec, and discussing cool stuff. Please don't hesitate to contact us if you want to gripe, complain or compliment.
Thanks again for all your help, folks. We couldn't do it without you.
Emmett Plant
CEO, Xiph.org Foundation
And if iRiver's going to update... you know how it works - other companies have to update too... they don't want iRiver to have better products then them.
I am always annoying people on iRC by sending them songs in vorbis format. It sure sparks the converstations in the channel. "What is ogg?" I just ask if they have WinAMP 2.8 or higher and usually they do. So if they have something to play it they are fine. Otherwise they cry about mp3s.
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I am always annoying people on iRC by sending them songs in vorbis format. It sure sparks the converstations in the channel. "What is ogg?" I just ask if they have WinAMP 2.8 or higher and usually they do. So if they have something to play it they are fine. Otherwise they cry about mp3s.
I yust rip in Ogg Vorbis, so when I share my music with my classmates I force them to use Vorbis. I gave them the DS-Filters and the winamp plug-in (that isnīt neccessary anmore) and CDex (pre-configurated for Vorbis) and they are all ripping in Vorbis, because they donīt even know that they donīt rip into mp3!
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And if iRiver's going to update... you know how it works - other companies have to update too... they don't want iRiver to have better products then them.
Maybe iRiver, but most companys wonīt update old playerīs firmware to Vorbis, theyīll develope new players with Vorbis support, othrewise people might think "why to buy the new one when the old can do the same with an update?"Itīs the same with CD-Burners, change the cover, change the numbers, change the firmware and a new product has been created. Many CD-Burners can be upgrated with other CD-Burners firmware to have more functionality or even higher writing speed.
While the iRiver thing is nice, do we have any word from the big guys?
Creative?
SonicBlue?
Philips?
Sony?
Creative?
SonicBlue?
Philips?
Sony?
AFAIK philips is a part of MPEG committee ... so it'd be probably supporting its own standards - MPEG 4 based (AAC/AAC+) like it is now (see philips eXpanium CD players)
They didn't want to support mp3... but people were demanding it, so a market was born.
...i enough people demand vorbis, they will be a possible market, so hardware players will be done...
Conclusion: use vorbis, tell your friend to do so, tell your enemies to do so, tell anyone to do so, tell even to plain rocks... and hardware players will come for you to waste your bucks in it...
...i enough people demand vorbis, they will be a possible market, so hardware players will be done...
Conclusion: use vorbis, tell your friend to do so, tell your enemies to do so, tell anyone to do so, tell even to plain rocks... and hardware players will come for you to waste your bucks in it...
Has anyone asked Creative if they will support Oggs?
QUOTE(deveco @ Nov 1 2002 - 01:56 PM)
Before we do that perhaps we should ask them to fix their drivers and PC hardware products. Sure Creative supporting Vorbis would be nice. But I have this nasty problem with my system. It is called a Creative Audigy.
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