I found here what I were asking months before...

Xiph.org Vorbis thread

...glad to finally see *any* answer

BTW: Transcoding *ist* death!

Edit: Because i couldn't correct the text in the topic, this thread seemed off-topic to the vorbis section. I rewrited this.

Dibrom: ...is there a way to edit thread topics?

What was that exactly? That transcoding is bad?
Do you mean an official transoder with quality limiter?
Only admin/mod can change the topic, so you have to ask one of us. I deleted your double post.

Yeah... but only if you have access to the database

AFAIK, there's no way to do it and actually have it show up as being changed in the forum view.

I were asking for *any* approach to the problem.

...an official transcoder? Why not, yes, a tool for all those people out there who are willing to transcode regardless how many times you would say that is wrong.

BTW: Thanks for deleting that double post. I'm not willing to waste *any* harddisk space (including yours). Right now I'm having space shortage on mine...

Dibrom: Ok, thanks for the info . Maybe then a way to delete that? I see that feature here, what that was vBulletin (which I think was the previous HydrogenAudio forum). Anyway, I suppose you don't want anyone could have the power to delete a thread, even if that very person started it.

I still dont understand what you were actually asking? It has been preached for years that transcoding is bad. There must be hundreds of messages about that from the very beginning of this forum.

In a thread long ago forgotten, I stated this issue about Debian. Even given the fact I'm not interested in transcoding from mp3 to ogg (I haven't almost any mp3), I posted the question as a lot of people out there were going to transcode regardless what they were advised to do (or more exactly, not to do). I asked for 'the lesser of evils', but I were utterly bashed and no answer was made.

To add injury to insult, more threads rised later about transcoding MPC to something, AAC to something, something to MP3,..., all of them answered...

...I felt bad. Now I have an answer, and I encourage anyone to read that little thread I pointed, to understand why I started such an outrageous thread. An official transcoder not intended to transcode to high bitrates allow anyone willing to transcode regardless of price, a way to do so, while keeping at the same time higher bitrate vorbis streams 'clean', as you know no higher bitrate vorbis stream would be the output of such official transcoder.

I still haven't seen any proof that transcoding is ALWAYS bad. Anecdotal evidence isn't really of much value, no matter how often it is repeated. A listening test might surprise you.

Firstable, I may understand why some people, especially Vorbis enthusiastics aren't very eager to hear that somebody is going to transcode mp3 to vorbis. Transcoding issue must be in the top5 of newbie questions, so if you had read some threads, you probably would have figured the info you need to know by yourself without asking.

The reason why people are less agressive to MPC->mp3 or Vorbis->mp3 transcodings is because people don't care anymore about the "virginity" of mp3, mp3 has long since lost it. But people want to keep MPC and Vorbis as virgin encodes, that's why you probably got more negative reaction when asking this.

Sorry if you got a harsh answer long ago. But I really think this issue is SO popular subject, that anybody could find the answers with a little searching...

Sorry if I missleaded you, but I'm sure I saw at least a thread about transcoding *something* to MPC.

...and given the popularity of MPC here, that would be *really* outrageous. It was answered as well.

BTW: I myself don't want to find high-bitrate-but-really-bad-transcoding-quality out there. It's not an issue for me as most of the music I like is free.

Maybe an
'OggDropXPd - Compression freak transcoding value edition'
along
'OggDropXPd - People who has brain gold edition'
would do the job.

I'm absolutely sure that it was made clear that transcoding from mp3 to MPC isn't recommended. Maybe the MPC-user was just having a better day and answered nicer than the guy who answered to your mp3->Vorbis transcoding question..

Transcoding listening tests havent surprised at least me...

...maybe. It's just it shocked me who they were. I suppose anyone can have a bad day.

Back to the topic. All you there, what do you think about having two encoders, one aimed at quality, one aimed at size?

I think the one aimed at size shouldn't encode at qualities greater than -q1, maybe even -q2.

Here is your official transcoder !

What a surprise...

Coming from the leaders in audio compression quality themselves

rofl