Hello all,

Probably seems an ignorant query, but I am unable to find a good Ogg Vorbis editor. What would be ideal is an editor for Ogg files like 'mp3 Direct Cut', which is superb for mp2 and mp3 files.

Practically all of the freeware & shareware ones I have looked at have either poor flexibility or simply re-encode the ogg file after editing, which is daft. Re-encoding the file into the same lossy format (or another) causes the quality to deteriorate badly.

For example, Audacity seems to go down the re-encoding route and - besides - it takes a hell of a long time to load a large classical music file (e.g., a Bruckner Symphony) into Audacity before you can edit it. This is very annoying - especially when you have lot of files to edit. Unfortunately, many of the inferior music editors seem to go down the same route.

Contrast this with the way 'mp3 Direct Cut' loads even very large mp2 & mp3 files instantly, and doesn't re-encode the files upon saving the edited portion.

The only freeware Ogg editor I (personally) can find that seems to work without re-encoding is 'Ogg Cutter'. Get this from:-

http://www.free-codecs.com/download/Ogg_Cutter.htm

However, this has a very basic interface, and doesn't save the files with the *.ogg extension, but as *.ogm! This means you generally have to manually alter it to *.ogg to run it through your music player...

The best I have come across so far is the file editor in my 'Total Recorder' software. This isn't bad, but the interface is nowhere as refined as that in 'mp3 Direct Cut'. Besides, you have to buy it before you can put it to effective use.

Please can someone recommend the best ever Ogg file editor!!

regards

LJ

Did you see http://www.free-codecs.com/download/musiCutter.htm ?

http://mp3splt.sourceforge.net/

vcut.exe plain and simple.

Dear All,

Tried mp3Split, followed the instructions on the website, but it didn't seem to load properly. Under the 'File' menu, I just seem to get 'Quit', with no chance to select a file name.

So I seem to have the basic interface, but something is missing. Is this a Windows XP fault or my fault?

BTW, what is 'vcut.exe'?

regards

John

browse for file through the button on the 'File' panel, not menu, which is for the program itself.

LossLess OggVorbis Editer (support CUI and GUI)
http://zzt-kuruma.hp.infoseek.co.jp/vorbis.htm

This is not a graphical editor like mp3 Direct Cut, but easy to use and stable.
Text are written in Japanese.

OVPBINDG.EXE - combine 2 vorbis
OVPCUTG.EXE - cut vorbis

Edit:typo

http://www.hydrogenaudio.org/forums/index....showtopic=2053& why do people makes things more difficult then they need to be? vcut is command-line based, but if you prefer a GUI you might want to try the ones above.

I hate to say it, but none of the ones you mention can beat mp3DirectCut for interactiveness and a good, clean interface.

Is any enthusiastic student with time on his hands writing a mp3DirectCut for Ogg?

regards

LJ

@LongJohn
With the mp3splt GUI you have to click the browse button on the player tab to select your ogg file. Then go to the splitpoints tab to select them yourself, or go to the cddb&cue tab to load up a cue file.
Finally click the ✓ button at the top to split the file.

The Japanese are so into Vorbis... wonder why?

Um, I'm not disrespectable here. In fact, I respect them a lot for this.

Peace!

Japanese game developers (especially minor) has some interest in the license of Ogg Vorbis.
I guess that's the reason Vorbis got hot in developers.

The software I proposed above do not use official libraries.
A good alternative is always welcome, isn't it?

A. It's an open-source project
B. CS or EE students take a liking to the project, because they can implement it in different ways.
C. They can improve it about 10x with their know how. I would do it myself, I am not that experienced of a coder though.

Game developers in general love libvorbis, because it's much more effcient and easier to implement in different games. They don't have to pay any royalities and they are always looking for sound libraries.

[WARNING: Long-winded whine/howto ahead.]

Gotta resurrect this old thread to say that mp3splt is a really great tool for cutting ogg vorbis (as well as MP3's)... IF you can get it working right. The documentation is pure unix/linux standard. My god. This whole ordeal made me realize again why I never switched over to the *nix world.

Anyway, here's what I went through. I needed to manually frame-level cut a ogg vorbis file. I tried a few utils but were unimpressed by the crappy GUI's (being a command-line only audio editor fits this bill), flat-out nonfunctionality (Ogg Cut?), and having to actually type in the cut points myself. Are you kidding me? So I did a search and saw that people kept recommending mp3splt. But I remembered I had used that already, and it was just a command line program. So I go back to the mp3splt web site's download page and realize the GUI version is called mp3splt-gtk. Wow, that's confusing. I thought that was some file for source code or something and I had skipped over it the first time I went to the site.

Confusion over, so I download and install it. Can't preview the audio file.... Just get a command prompt box that pops up, freezes for a bit, and goes away. There's a button called "Connect to Player" but it doesn't seem to do anything... connect to what player??? Well this is no better than a command line utility then! I go back to the web site... look at the fine print about mp3splt-gtk and see that it has "integrated snackamp and beep-media-player control." Aha! So there is a preview function... so why isn't it working? Could it be... I need to actually install this snackamp by myself? Kinda daft but I've been around the computer world long enough, and this is a port from the *nix world, so all bets are off.

So I google Snackamp and download the latest stable version and install it. Load up mp3splt-gtk again. Load up Snackamp. Load up the ogg file, hit that "connect" button... and nothing. But I get a error message about "Enable Socket Interface" in Snackamp. I'm getting closer! I do that... and still... nothing. Exit both programs. Try it again... nothing.

So I've been at this for at least an hour now. I'm kinda getting pissed. I don't understand why a simple mp3/ogg cutting utility has to be this damn complicated to use. I'm seriously considering just deleting all my ogg files and going back to using MP3's.

But I calm down and realize I need to go back to the beginning and start fresh. I just assumed if I downloaded mp3splt-gtk that it would function like any sane Windows program and do its job without a lot of extra work on my part afterwards. I was wrong. Ok. I undertand that now. It's a NON-INTUITIVE *nix port. I've learned my lesson... let's move on.

I open up the mp3splt-gtk documentation folder. I read the INSTALL file (I have to manually drag/drop into a text viewer of course since *nix text documents don't use extensions), and have to scroll way down to the bottom about installing on Windows and read... "Make sure to download snackamp version >= 3.1.3". WTF.

What... the... frig. They can't just mention this on the download page? It has to be a line buried in the unassociated INSTALL text file?

Anyway, Snackamp 3.1.3 is the TEST Beta version. Uninstall Snackamp 3.1.2. Install Snackamp 3.1.3, load up mp3splt, load up ogg file, "Connect to Player" and voila! It works.

This is a really nice mp3/ogg editing program. Lots of control. Can zoom in and out. Preview cut sections. Move around the cut points easily. Great utility, and I'm pretty sure you'll do all your frame level cutting for both MP3 and OGG with this program after you try it ...if you can get it set up right.

Summary:

1. Install mp3splt-gtk for graphical version of mp3splt.
2. Download and install Snackamp music player version 3.1.3 Beta (you can find it under "Test release").
3. Run mp3splt-gtk and Snackamp at same time.
4. Hit "Connect to Player" to tie both programs together so you can preview your edits.
5. Profit!

I believe audacity can losslessly cut/edit ogg vorbis files.

A mailing list post from 2003: http://lists.altlinux.ru/pipermail/music/2...ber/000969.html

You link to a non-existing patch. Even if the current beta or Audacity (1.3.4) would do lossless
ogg editing, it's too slow to open ogg files. On my PC (2GB RAM, AMD Dual Core 4200+) it
takes about three minutes to open a three hour ogg file (my usual radio recording file size).
Way to long to be useful.

Compare that to mp3directcut, which opens a 24h hour long 1.7GB sized mp3
file in one second.

Yes, there are a total of five programs allowing lossless cuts of OggVorbis files.

These are two commandline tools (one for BeSplit, one comes as a standalone Python program), one Japanese program with a GUI (no, Westerners will have problems with it as there is no translation), mp3splt with a GUI (a program that looks nice but is not really helpful if you want to set the cut-points by yourself) and finally a set of four tools doing the job with the main tool having a GUI that looks like a very basic MP3DirectCut.

I discuss only the last possibility as only this one is flexible enough to address lots of special cases. That one is an OggVorbis editor for Vorbis files very much like MP3DirectCut for MP3 files.

Unfortunately, you need not just one but three tools and the main tool depends on a properly installed older version of the OGG-DS filter (it works with XP but I do not know how it behaves on Vista) and several other dependencies need to be met as well.

1.) You need to find and to install the following programs:
- oggsplit (commandline tool to unchain chained Vorbis files inside an OGG container - required)
- OggVorbis Cutter 1.1.7 (the main tool for cutting unchained OggVorbis files with a functional GUI - that one works similar to MP3DirectCut - required)
- OGMerger 0.9a4 (the main commandline tool for joining two OggVorbis files - required)

The first two can be found at http://rarewares.org, the third one is available at http://cyrius.bunkus.org/ogmtools.html

2.) You will need to resolve a few dependencies:
- install recent copies of the OGG.DLL and VORBIS.DLL
- install the original OggDs 0.9.9.5 DirectShow Filter from Tobias Waldvogel himself. No other version of the OggDs will work!! You will need to find it on the web. Uninstall other OggDs filters on your system first before installing this one.
- then after that, install ffdshow filters (the newest from http://ffdshow-tryouts.sf.net work for me).

3.) Make yourself familar with the programs. Be aware that the programs behave special at times. In particular, before using the Vorbis Cutter you usually need to run oggsplit on the OggVorbis files as otherwise your degree of success will be very limited. Also, OGMerger does not allow more than two pieces to be joined at the same time so do not try to merge three or more OggVorbis files simultaneously.

The OggVorbis Cutter (if you got it working according to my small HowTo) is a really powerful OggVorbis editor although it looks quite basic - it allows you to play the OggVorbis file and to set cutting marks on-the-fly very similar to MP3DirectCut.

That should do it. Good Luck!