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Shade[ST]

Sep 27 2006, 07:29

QUOTE(musicmusic @ Sep 27 2006, 06:03)

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' date='Sep 26 2006, 17:01' post='435268']
I have an additional request, though. Is there any way we could transfer rating tags to the ipod ML, and if so, what format should they be in? 1-5? 0-100?

0-5 I think.

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' date='Sep 26 2006, 17:01' post='435268']
Do you know if it would be possible to code (easily) a piece of software that took the itunesML rating info and pushed it as metadata on the ipod?

I don't understand.

BTW do you find that the games (e.g. breakout) go jerky during MP3 playback?

I'll start this from the bottom : I haven't heard any reports saying that custom games lagged, whether during playback or not. Most games actually include their own music tracks which they play.

About the rest, I looked a bit in my iTunes Music Library.xml file, and found this type of entry :

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<dict>
            <key>Track ID</key><integer>2768</integer>
            <key>Name</key><string>Polonaise In A Major - Op.40, No.1</string>
            <key>Artist</key><string>FrÃ©dÃ©ric Chopin</string>
            <key>Composer</key><string>FrÃ©dÃ©ric Chopin</string>
            <key>Album</key><string>Chopin Polonaises</string>
            <key>Genre</key><string>Classical (Romantic)</string>
            <key>Kind</key><string>MPEG audio file</string>
            <key>Size</key><integer>8380839</integer>
            <key>Total Time</key><integer>388048</integer>
            <key>Track Number</key><integer>3</integer>
            <key>Track Count</key><integer>7</integer>
            <key>Year</key><integer>1992</integer>
            <key>Date Modified</key><date>2006-09-16T09:04:50Z</date>
            <key>Date Added</key><date>2006-09-16T05:46:37Z</date>
            <key>Bit Rate</key><integer>172</integer>
            <key>Sample Rate</key><integer>44100</integer>
            <key>Rating</key><integer>60</integer>
            <key>Persistent ID</key><string>536B531104D46EFB</string>
            <key>Track Type</key><string>File</string>
            <key>Location</key><string>file://localhost/K:/blablabla.mp3</string>
            <key>File Folder Count</key><integer>5</integer>
            <key>Library Folder Count</key><integer>1</integer>

As you can see, the rating seems to be 100-based (and this is the only place it's stored); However, I read that the id3v2 spec has a specific tag for the rating to be stored that goes from 0 to 255; I was wondering if there was any way to make a program which would take the iTunes Media Library.xml file, parse it, and put the appropriate rating tag in each file. Also, I was wondering what was the best way to store the rating inside the said file? Should we go up to 255 as per the spec? Use a custom scale? (255 = 100; 204 = 80, etc.)

Pick a way for my rating tags to be organised and I'll set them that way; I'm only preocuppied foobar2000 will interpret the data as garbage if it's not properly done, so I thought this might have to be a joint effort.

If id3v2.4 uses a single byte to store the rating, it should be easy to store and read, but I only hope foobar doesn't display something like "¨" for 168, or "ÿ" for 255...
Thanks once again,
Tristan.

clunesy

Sep 27 2006, 08:43

[quote name='clunesy' post='435566' date='Sep 27 2006, 10:19']
Is there any word on making custom tags with TAGZ using foo_dop ? I can't wait ![/quote]It would be easy to add after 0.3.0. Maybe for 0.3.1. Only configuration is worrying, there are quite a few fields these days..

[quote name='clunesy' post='435566' date='Sep 27 2006, 10:19']
'Add as video' would be great - its the only reason I'm using itunes in the first place. [/quote]
Now I bought a "5.5G" iPod Video it could be more motivation for me to add it

BTW do you find that the games (e.g. breakout) go jerky during MP3 playback?
[/quote]

I find them much more unresponsive across the board, a bit of a disappointing 'upgrade' really. They're definitely slower to fill with files across USB 2.0 - I have high hopes for next years widescreen model, but hey - if Sony comes in first with an HD-based player, I have no particular loyalty ! Thanks for your reply, will look forward to TAGZ / 'load as video' developments.

Niels

PS Really wish I could get the hang of this quoting business.......

musicmusic

Sep 27 2006, 09:42

QUOTE

' date='Sep 27 2006, 14:29' post='435622']
I'll start this from the bottom : I haven't heard any reports saying that custom games lagged, whether during playback or not. Most games actually include their own music tracks which they play.

I meant Brick sorry, its one of the included games. During playback, that lags, and also on the now playing screen, if the title long enough so it scrolls then there is some jerkyness there too (during playback). Pause and both problems go away. I'll see if I can dig anything up about it..

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' date='Sep 27 2006, 14:29' post='435622']About the rest, I looked a bit in my iTunes Music Library.xml file, and found this type of entry :

CODE

<dict>
            <key>Track ID</key><integer>2768</integer>
            <key>Name</key><string>Polonaise In A Major - Op.40, No.1</string>
            <key>Artist</key><string>FrÃ©dÃ©ric Chopin</string>
            <key>Composer</key><string>FrÃ©dÃ©ric Chopin</string>
            <key>Album</key><string>Chopin Polonaises</string>
            <key>Genre</key><string>Classical (Romantic)</string>
            <key>Kind</key><string>MPEG audio file</string>
            <key>Size</key><integer>8380839</integer>
            <key>Total Time</key><integer>388048</integer>
            <key>Track Number</key><integer>3</integer>
            <key>Track Count</key><integer>7</integer>
            <key>Year</key><integer>1992</integer>
            <key>Date Modified</key><date>2006-09-16T09:04:50Z</date>
            <key>Date Added</key><date>2006-09-16T05:46:37Z</date>
            <key>Bit Rate</key><integer>172</integer>
            <key>Sample Rate</key><integer>44100</integer>
            <key>Rating</key><integer>60</integer>
            <key>Persistent ID</key><string>536B531104D46EFB</string>
            <key>Track Type</key><string>File</string>
            <key>Location</key><string>file://localhost/K:/blablabla.mp3</string>
            <key>File Folder Count</key><integer>5</integer>
            <key>Library Folder Count</key><integer>1</integer>

As you can see, the rating seems to be 100-based (and this is the only place it's stored); However, I read that the id3v2 spec has a specific tag for the rating to be stored that goes from 0 to 255; I was wondering if there was any way to make a program which would take the iTunes Media Library.xml file, parse it, and put the appropriate rating tag in each file. Also, I was wondering what was the best way to store the rating inside the said file? Should we go up to 255 as per the spec? Use a custom scale? (255 = 100; 204 = 80, etc.)

Pick a way for my rating tags to be organised and I'll set them that way; I'm only preocuppied foobar2000 will interpret the data as garbage if it's not properly done, so I thought this might have to be a joint effort.

I think on several levels its not practical to rate files on a scale of 1-255. If we are talking about the id3v2 Popularimeter/POPM field then scaling the rating upto 255 would probably be better for compatibility looking at what the spec says. On the other hand, if you use the same scale for all of your files I don't think it would cause a problem. I would personally just stick to rating files from 1-5.

In terms of tagging, iTunes has a COM API available and so does foobar2000 through foo_comserver2. So I would imagine you could write a script in whatever you fancy to copy the ratings over if you want/that is what you want to do (I'm not sure).

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' date='Sep 27 2006, 14:29' post='435622']If id3v2.4 uses a single byte to store the rating, it should be easy to store and read, but I only hope foobar doesn't display something like "¨" for 168, or "ÿ" for 255...
Thanks once again,
Tristan.

If foobar2000 did that, it would be a bug. But does it even use the POPM field?

vkeios

Sep 27 2006, 09:43

QUOTE(musicmusic @ Sep 27 2006, 05:03)

0-5 I think.

Rating for itunes is 0-100. And I assume ipod would be the same.

QUOTE(musicmusic @ Sep 27 2006, 05:03)

Now I bought a "5.5G" iPod Video it could be more motivation for me to add it

BTW do you find that the games (e.g. breakout) go jerky during MP3 playback?

Congrads. And I've noticed a bit of jerky-ness too.

And do you have any plans for podcasts?

musicmusic

Sep 27 2006, 09:52

QUOTE(vkeios @ Sep 27 2006, 16:43)

QUOTE(musicmusic @ Sep 27 2006, 05:03)

0-5 I think.

Rating for itunes is 0-100. And I assume ipod would be the same.

Correct, the iPod uses the range 0-100. I'm not sure what ShadeST was asking now but I meant if you want to ratings to be transfered into the iPod DB when sending songs using foo_dop the source files should be tagged on a 0-5 scale.

QUOTE(vkeios @ Sep 27 2006, 16:43)

QUOTE(musicmusic @ Sep 27 2006, 05:03)

Now I bought a "5.5G" iPod Video it could be more motivation for me to add it

BTW do you find that the games (e.g. breakout) go jerky during MP3 playback?

Congrads. And I've noticed a bit of jerky-ness too.

Yeah, I'm not willing to beleive there is something wrong with my iPod.

QUOTE(vkeios @ Sep 27 2006, 16:43)

And do you have any plans for podcasts?

Not ATM, sorry.

furious

Sep 27 2006, 09:56

i have to re-populate my ipod- is the next test version of foo_dop anytime soon?

i'm not asking to add pressure or demand- i'm just 100% curious.

if it'll be a while- i'll just use the current version.

should i wait?

Shade[ST]

Sep 27 2006, 10:53

Okay. Last question name. What exact field name should we use for RATING? Will it be mapped to POPM (should I ask the fb2k team about this?)

Thanks.

Cutter

Sep 27 2006, 15:45

Hi, I don't have an iPod but would like to know how this component works.
What does this mean:

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You need your iPod connected and mounted as a removable hard drive for the component to work. If you have iTunes or the iPod Updater installed you can do this from within the component.

Do I need to have iTunes installed in order to use the component, and if not, how to make the computer see the iPod as a removable hard drive? I thought the iPod wasn't an UMS device.
Does this component work with the new iPods nano?

Thanks in advance.

musicmusic

Sep 27 2006, 15:52

QUOTE(furious @ Sep 27 2006, 16:56)

i have to re-populate my ipod- is the next test version of foo_dop anytime soon?

i'm not asking to add pressure or demand- i'm just 100% curious.

if it'll be a while- i'll just use the current version.

should i wait?

I released it now: 0.3.0 TEST

See changelog first!

It does seem to actually stop iTunes doing its gapless rescans altogether actually. I guess it is related to the database version.

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' date='Sep 27 2006, 17:53' post='435699']
Okay. Last question name. What exact field name should we use for RATING?

I don't know but so far I've been using RATING. foo_dop uses RATING.

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' date='Sep 27 2006, 17:53' post='435699']Will it be mapped to POPM (should I ask the fb2k team about this?)

Yes to the latter

Or test yourself - add that field to a file using another prog and see if it shows up in foobar2000.

musicmusic

Sep 27 2006, 16:17

QUOTE(Cutter @ Sep 27 2006, 22:45)

Hi, I don't have an iPod but would like to know how this component works.
What does this mean:

QUOTE

You need your iPod connected and mounted as a removable hard drive for the component to work. If you have iTunes or the iPod Updater installed you can do this from within the component.

Do I need to have iTunes installed in order to use the component, and if not, how to make the computer see the iPod as a removable hard drive? I thought the iPod wasn't an UMS device.

iTunes gives you an option: 'Enable disk use'. If you enable 'Manually manage music...' in iTunes then disk use is forced. But yes then it shows up as a USB Mass Storage Device (if you connect it via USB

).

Do you needs iTunes (to get disk mode)? I forget. But I don't think you would be able to avoid iTunes these days - its now used to update the iPod firmware, reset it to defaults etc.

QUOTE(Cutter @ Sep 27 2006, 22:45)

Does this component work with the new iPods nano?

Thanks in advance.

I don't see why not.

elishnevsky

Sep 28 2006, 12:08

May I add a couple of requests?

1. Ability to mark certain tracks as 'Skip during Shuffle' the way iTunes does it.
2. Ability to remeber track position of certain tracks, again, like iTunes.

I have absolutely no idea how hard or easy it is to implement these features, just thought might be nice to have. What made me ask for these features is the fact that I listen to audiobooks in mp3 format pretty often

Thank you and keep it up!

drbeachboy

Sep 28 2006, 17:59

Hi musicmusic,

Though I have not throughly tested the "Test" version, the normal functions are all working as expected. One thing though, it seems that loading the the library was not only slow the first time around, but is slow with every loading. It searches through every folder "F00-F99" with every "Load Library" command. Is that expected behavior? I ask this because the Change Log states "Changed metadata loading mechanisms for “Load library” etc.; metadata now loaded directly from files and cached in a file in the route folder of your iPod. First load of library will be slow." Thanks again for sharing foo_dop with us all.

Shade[ST]

Sep 28 2006, 18:31

QUOTE(drbeachboy @ Sep 28 2006, 19:59)

Hi musicmusic,

Though I have not throughly tested the "Test" version, the normal functions are all working as expected. One thing though, it seems that loading the the library was not only slow the first time around, but is slow with every loading. It searches through every folder "F00-F99" with every "Load Library" command. Is that expected behavior? I ask this because the Change Log states "Changed metadata loading mechanisms for “Load library” etc.; metadata now loaded directly from files and cached in a file in the route folder of your iPod. First load of library will be slow." Thanks again for sharing foo_dop with us all.

Yes, he already mentionned this. It will be much slower, but will allow reconstruction of the database from file metadata, and custom field attribution.

drbeachboy

Sep 28 2006, 20:32

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' date='Sep 28 2006, 20:31' post='436172']

QUOTE(drbeachboy @ Sep 28 2006, 19:59)

Hi musicmusic,

Though I have not throughly tested the "Test" version, the normal functions are all working as expected. One thing though, it seems that loading the the library was not only slow the first time around, but is slow with every loading. It searches through every folder "F00-F99" with every "Load Library" command. Is that expected behavior? I ask this because the Change Log states "Changed metadata loading mechanisms for “Load library” etc.; metadata now loaded directly from files and cached in a file in the route folder of your iPod. First load of library will be slow." Thanks again for sharing foo_dop with us all.

Yes, he already mentionned this. It will be much slower, but will allow reconstruction of the database from file metadata, and custom field attribution.

Well, the change log says the "First load of library will be slow.", not all loads of library will be slow. That's why I asked. When I saw "FIRST", I only expected it to happen once, not all the time. It's not a problem for me, I just wanted clarification that it is expected behavior.

musicmusic

Sep 29 2006, 03:57

First load wil be very slow (minutes?) as it reads all the metadata. Subsequent loads should be much faster (if you didn't add any new files, about several secs) as it loads metadata from the cache. But it still shows the screen going through each file / Fxx dir. Its slower than before in all cases. Caching by Windows will affect subsequent load times too.

If subsequent loads are like the very first load, check that the cache is being built (metadata_cache.fpl playlist in root dir of your iPod).

Idec Sdawkminn

Oct 3 2006, 00:45

First of all, thanks for working on this. I don't mind iTunes, but this one can take my ReplayGain data and convert it into volume control on the iPod, which is what I was looking for.

It seems to work fine, however, I'd like if they retained the same order as they are in my foobar playlist instead of being sorted by artist or whatnot. How would I do this?

PokéParadox

Oct 3 2006, 05:11

I think you just send a playlist to the pod...

Idec Sdawkminn

Oct 3 2006, 19:19

The only way I have found to add anything to the iPod is to right-click the song and click "Send to iPod". I can right-click the playlist tab and click the same thing, but it will just send all the songs on the playlist, but without retaining the same order.

Scidd0w

Oct 7 2006, 06:36

I just tested 0.30 and everything works very smoothly musicmusic!
Adding / deleting / rewrite ipod database / reload info from metadata all work way fine.

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First load wil be very slow (minutes?) as it reads all the metadata. Subsequent loads should be much faster (if you didn't add any new files, about several secs) as it loads metadata from the cache.

It wasnt even very slow. just slow.

But yeah after the first time it went quite fast again. For me not a problem at all!
I have a iPod Video 5G (not on newest firmware yet) btw.

nilsHaus

Oct 23 2006, 16:24

Downloaded. I'll tell you how it works

I have a 3G (touch wheel, blue backlight) iPod, and I've used iTunes 6 until my computer crashed. This computer has iTunes 4.1.1 but I haven'te used it with it yet.

Slotos

Oct 27 2006, 04:11

QUOTE(musicmusic @ Sep 28 2006, 00:52)

I don't know but so far I've been using RATING. foo_dop uses RATING.

Will foo_dop pick up the RATING tag from foo_custominfo?

Coppertop

Oct 28 2006, 09:39

Does anyone have this component working in Windows Vista? My iPod works fine in iTunes and Yamipod, but foo_dop can't find the iPod (No iPod found!). I need to know if this is a Vista problem or just something in my setup.

musicmusic

Oct 28 2006, 16:08

QUOTE(Slotos @ Oct 27 2006, 11:11)

QUOTE(musicmusic @ Sep 28 2006, 00:52)

I don't know but so far I've been using RATING. foo_dop uses RATING.

Will foo_dop pick up the RATING tag from foo_custominfo?

I don't think so. As I remember, that component uses titleformatting hooks to give access to its fields? There is no titleformatting here. It uses metadata. But maybe it would work with titleformatting based field mappings when they are added.

QUOTE(Coppertop @ Oct 28 2006, 16:39)

Does anyone have this component working in Windows Vista? My iPod works fine in iTunes and Yamipod, but foo_dop can't find the iPod (No iPod found!). I need to know if this is a Vista problem or just something in my setup.

You are right, it doesn't work in Vista. I can second guess why, but thanks for the report.

Coppertop

Oct 28 2006, 16:30

QUOTE(musicmusic @ Oct 29 2006, 00:08)

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QUOTE(Coppertop @ Oct 28 2006, 16:39)

Does anyone have this component working in Windows Vista? My iPod works fine in iTunes and Yamipod, but foo_dop can't find the iPod (No iPod found!). I need to know if this is a Vista problem or just something in my setup.

You are right, it doesn't work in Vista. I can second guess why, but thanks for the report.

Ah, too bad. If you need someone to test/experiment, let met know. Yamipod will have to do for now

Prodoc

Oct 31 2006, 08:13

QUOTE(Kamil @ Aug 21 2006, 21:42)

is it possible, with foo_dop or another plugin to set the soundcheck value to the replaygain value without having an ipod connected? Since the Information is stored in the file's metadata I don't see any reason why this feature is only available by copying the files to the ipod.

musicmusic, any comments on this? The ability to write the sound check value to the tags is exactly what I'm looking for. I simply do not trust iTunes changing my tags.
Also, currently you store the sound check values in the db on the iPod. What will happen to these values if you open up iTunes afterwards and perform the necessary synchronisations? I assume you'd have to have Sound Check enabled in iTunes to keep the info? If this is the case, won't iTunes start analysing all the files by itself since the info won't be present in the tags yet?

Mike Giacomelli

Oct 31 2006, 09:14

QUOTE(Prodoc @ Oct 31 2006, 07:13)

QUOTE(Kamil @ Aug 21 2006, 21:42)

is it possible, with foo_dop or another plugin to set the soundcheck value to the replaygain value without having an ipod connected? Since the Information is stored in the file's metadata I don't see any reason why this feature is only available by copying the files to the ipod.

musicmusic, any comments on this?

I'm pretty sure foo_dop doesn't write any tags at all, so I don't think it can do what you want. It just updates the Ipod's database. If you want soundcheck values written out to the ID3v2 tag, you'd probably need to update the ID3v2 writer.

QUOTE(Prodoc @ Oct 31 2006, 07:13)

Also, currently you store the sound check values in the db on the iPod. What will happen to these values if you open up iTunes afterwards and perform the necessary synchronisations? I assume you'd have to have Sound Check enabled in iTunes to keep the info? If this is the case, won't iTunes start analysing all the files by itself since the info won't be present in the tags yet?

I don't think iTunes will delete information out of the Ipod's database, but I haven't tried it. However, it would take maybe 2 minutes for you to load itunes and try it, so I suggest you do that. Worst case, you can tell foo_dop to delete and rewrite the Ipod database.

Prodoc

Oct 31 2006, 10:26

QUOTE(Mike Giacomelli @ Oct 31 2006, 17:14)

QUOTE(Prodoc @ Oct 31 2006, 07:13)

QUOTE(Kamil @ Aug 21 2006, 21:42)

is it possible, with foo_dop or another plugin to set the soundcheck value to the replaygain value without having an ipod connected? Since the Information is stored in the file's metadata I don't see any reason why this feature is only available by copying the files to the ipod.

musicmusic, any comments on this?

I'm pretty sure foo_dop doesn't write any tags at all, so I don't think it can do what you want. It just updates the Ipod's database. If you want soundcheck values written out to the ID3v2 tag, you'd probably need to update the ID3v2 writer.

I know it can't write tags at the moment but will it in the future?

QUOTE(Mike Giacomelli @ Oct 31 2006, 17:14)

QUOTE(Prodoc @ Oct 31 2006, 07:13)

Also, currently you store the sound check values in the db on the iPod. What will happen to these values if you open up iTunes afterwards and perform the necessary synchronisations? I assume you'd have to have Sound Check enabled in iTunes to keep the info? If this is the case, won't iTunes start analysing all the files by itself since the info won't be present in the tags yet?

I don't think iTunes will delete information out of the Ipod's database, but I haven't tried it. However, it would take maybe 2 minutes for you to load itunes and try it, so I suggest you do that. Worst case, you can tell foo_dop to delete and rewrite the Ipod database.

No, worst case, I'll loose everything on my iPod. Because of that I'd like to know what will happen before I try it.

Mike Giacomelli

Oct 31 2006, 14:37

QUOTE(Prodoc @ Oct 31 2006, 09:26)

QUOTE(Mike Giacomelli @ Oct 31 2006, 17:14)

QUOTE(Prodoc @ Oct 31 2006, 07:13)

QUOTE(Kamil @ Aug 21 2006, 21:42)

is it possible, with foo_dop or another plugin to set the soundcheck value to the replaygain value without having an ipod connected? Since the Information is stored in the file's metadata I don't see any reason why this feature is only available by copying the files to the ipod.

musicmusic, any comments on this?

I'm pretty sure foo_dop doesn't write any tags at all, so I don't think it can do what you want. It just updates the Ipod's database. If you want soundcheck values written out to the ID3v2 tag, you'd probably need to update the ID3v2 writer.

I know it can't write tags at the moment but will it in the future?

foo_dop? No, the ID3v2 tag writer does that. Talk to peter about updating it in future foobar releases. I don't even think plugins are allowed to write ID3 tags, even if a developer wanted to.

QUOTE(Prodoc @ Oct 31 2006, 09:26)

QUOTE(Mike Giacomelli @ Oct 31 2006, 17:14)

QUOTE(Prodoc @ Oct 31 2006, 07:13)

Also, currently you store the sound check values in the db on the iPod. What will happen to these values if you open up iTunes afterwards and perform the necessary synchronisations? I assume you'd have to have Sound Check enabled in iTunes to keep the info? If this is the case, won't iTunes start analysing all the files by itself since the info won't be present in the tags yet?

I don't think iTunes will delete information out of the Ipod's database, but I haven't tried it. However, it would take maybe 2 minutes for you to load itunes and try it, so I suggest you do that. Worst case, you can tell foo_dop to delete and rewrite the Ipod database.

No, worst case, I'll loose everything on my iPod. Because of that I'd like to know what will happen before I try it.

I'd say the worst case is that your Ipod explodes and kills you. If you mean the worst case thats remotely likely to happen, I'd say that would be that your database gets corrupted. In which case, you rewrite it with foo_dop, which takes about 1 minute to do.

musicmusic

Oct 31 2006, 17:27

QUOTE(Prodoc @ Oct 31 2006, 07:13)

Also, currently you store the sound check values in the db on the iPod. What will happen to these values if you open up iTunes afterwards and perform the necessary synchronisations? I assume you'd have to have Sound Check enabled in iTunes to keep the info? If this is the case, won't iTunes start analysing all the files by itself since the info won't be present in the tags yet?

It seems to leave the Soundcheck data intact in the database after it decides to rewrite it (which is randomly). Other data (metadata etc.) does get replaced with iTunes-read versions though. I don't have Soundcheck enabled in iTunes however.

QUOTE(Prodoc @ Oct 31 2006, 17:26)

QUOTE(Mike Giacomelli @ Oct 31 2006, 17:14)

QUOTE(Prodoc @ Oct 31 2006, 07:13)

QUOTE(Kamil @ Aug 21 2006, 21:42)

is it possible, with foo_dop or another plugin to set the soundcheck value to the replaygain value without having an ipod connected? Since the Information is stored in the file's metadata I don't see any reason why this feature is only available by copying the files to the ipod.

musicmusic, any comments on this?

I'm pretty sure foo_dop doesn't write any tags at all, so I don't think it can do what you want. It just updates the Ipod's database. If you want soundcheck values written out to the ID3v2 tag, you'd probably need to update the ID3v2 writer.

I know it can't write tags at the moment but will it in the future?

I don't think its possible to make foobar2000 write the souncheck info to MP3 and probably MP4 files in a way iTunes will understand it, even if I wanted to.

iElectric

Nov 5 2006, 03:57

musicmusic, do you have any plans on function to make playlist on ipod and assign the music files to it?

Thanks for the great plugin!

2Pacalypse

Nov 5 2006, 17:17

does any1 else get the pop up saying

"there is no disk in the drive. Please insert a disk into drive \Device\Harddisk4\DR8

XP
4th gen ipod 40gb

jumpman

Nov 6 2006, 15:30

Hi and thanks for the plugin, but 2 questions?
Why on the version 3.0 there are not the "umount" and "mount" as the version 2.9?
Why foo_dop allow duplicate files to be copied to the iPod?

david_dl

Nov 6 2006, 19:17

QUOTE(jumpman @ Nov 7 2006, 10:30)

Hi and thanks for the plugin, but 2 questions?
Why on the version 3.0 there are not the "umount" and "mount" as the version 2.9?

They didn't work properly, and were redundant as windows already offers this functionality.

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Why foo_dop allow duplicate files to be copied to the iPod?

How is it supposed to know they're duplicate without comparing them bit by bit with every other song on the ipod?

You can use 'Find on iPod', or 'Check if up-to-date on iPod' before sending files

Slotos

Nov 10 2006, 08:11

5.5g iPod 80Gb, everything works fine, looking forward for playlist managing feature

sizetwo

Nov 10 2006, 12:08

Works fine on my 2nd generation iPod Shuffle... However I would like to be able to see the files on the iPod, but purely for transferring the files onto it it seems fine.

musicmusic

Nov 10 2006, 17:08

QUOTE(iElectric @ Nov 5 2006, 10:57)

musicmusic, do you have any plans on function to make playlist on ipod and assign the music files to it?

Thanks for the great plugin!

Hopefully

QUOTE(2Pacalypse @ Nov 6 2006, 00:17)

does any1 else get the pop up saying

"there is no disk in the drive. Please insert a disk into drive \Device\Harddisk4\DR8

XP
4th gen ipod 40gb

Strange, I haven't seen that. Do you know what kind of drive it is referring to - I think it would be the same as drive #4 from My Computer context menu / Manage / Disk Management.

I'll look into fixing it, I would guess it is caused by the iTunesDB file existance check. But I have card readers etc. and it doesn't trigger; neither did it when it used to scan the floppy drive. Maybe some non-standard system setting somewhere?

QUOTE(jumpman @ Nov 6 2006, 22:30)

Hi and thanks for the plugin, but 2 questions?
Why on the version 3.0 there are not the "umount" and "mount" as the version 2.9?

They stopped working with iTunes 7, not that they worked reliably before that. Main problem was the use of undocumented iPodService interfaces which unsurprisingly didn't work very well. I will add the standard eject command instead.

QUOTE(jumpman @ Nov 6 2006, 22:30)

Why foo_dop allow duplicate files to be copied to the iPod?

Because it doesn't check if the song already exists on your iPod yet?

QUOTE(sizetwo @ Nov 10 2006, 19:08)

Works fine on my 2nd generation iPod Shuffle...

Ok. But I don't know anything about what database format it uses so "its not supported", unless you can find out for me (iTunesDB, iTunesSD, ...).

QUOTE(sizetwo @ Nov 10 2006, 19:08)

However I would like to be able to see the files on the iPod, but purely for transferring the files onto it it seems fine.

I don't quite understand this one

If you want to see what songs are on the iPod does "Load library" not work? If not I would guess it must be using iTunesSD or something which foo_dop doesn't use.

Spam Fodder

Nov 13 2006, 17:30

QUOTE(musicmusic @ May 30 2006, 08:38)

foo_dop is an experimental iPod plugin for foobar2000 0.9.3+, currently in alpha version.

Download: Version 0.3.0

Notes and changelog moved here. Read them first!

not a big deal but it look like it wipes out the 'Rating' of a song.

jonnysun

Nov 19 2006, 21:25

What a nice component for Foobar addictor! I can't wait to see its development.

I have some suggestion here

1. Playlist can transform from/to iPOD
2. rating (like %rating%), play count (like %play_count%) can be active to both sides.
3. support same file recognition
4. Avoid ACII format filename, whether use unicode or change to some english filename like iPOD. ( I am not so sure about that)

Hope this can give you some good ideas.

My hope is to see a seperate idop panel pop out when foobar and ipod is connected, including playlists and songs on ipod. and show everything we need need there

That is very difficult I know. Keep going

I LOVE THIS PLUG IN!

2Pacalypse

Nov 21 2006, 11:15

anyone got this working with a 5.5gen 80gb video ipod?

it used to work on my old 1, cant remember the error msg, i'm at work at the mo

mazzarin01

Nov 21 2006, 12:08

Installed the latest version from the link - can't find my mini (Running X86 Vista)

musicmusic

Nov 22 2006, 10:23

QUOTE(mazzarin01 @ Nov 21 2006, 19:08)

Installed the latest version from the link - can't find my mini (Running X86 Vista)

Try new version 0.3.1

I don't know why, but they changed the volume's removal policy from CM_REMOVAL_POLICY_EXPECT_SURPRISE_REMOVAL to CM_REMOVAL_POLICY_EXPECT_NO_REMOVAL, but added CM_DEVCAP_SURPRISEREMOVALOK to its capabilities

funkyblue

Nov 22 2006, 16:13

It's now working with my Nano and Vista!
Thanks

clunesy

Nov 24 2006, 06:31

Any luck with other requests ?
"Ability to re-map common fields (artist, album, title, etc.) like in foo_pod"
video load?

sorry to hassle. pretty orphaned out there now with foo_pod

Coppertop

Nov 24 2006, 08:59

Vista works again! Thanks

musicmusic

Nov 29 2006, 15:57

QUOTE(clunesy @ Nov 24 2006, 13:31)

Any luck with other requests ?
"Ability to re-map common fields (artist, album, title, etc.) like in foo_pod"
video load?

sorry to hassle. pretty orphaned out there now with foo_pod

I just released version 0.3.2 TEST which has configurable mappings for the ARTIST, TITLE and ALBUM fields. Use titleformatting in these preferences; leave them blank to disable that particular remapping. Use the "reload ipod library metadata" to apply it to existing songs.

Are there any other particular fields you think need remappings available?

Shade[ST]

Nov 29 2006, 21:24

QUOTE(musicmusic @ Nov 29 2006, 17:57)

I just released version 0.3.2 TEST which has configurable mappings for the ARTIST, TITLE and ALBUM fields. Use titleformatting in these preferences; leave them blank to disable that particular remapping. Use the "reload ipod library metadata" to apply it to existing songs.

Are there any other particular fields you think need remappings available?

GENRE, please. And also perhaps "ALBUM ARTIST"

Scidd0w

Nov 30 2006, 06:53

QUOTE(musicmusic @ Nov 29 2006, 13:57)

QUOTE(clunesy @ Nov 24 2006, 13:31)

Any luck with other requests ?
"Ability to re-map common fields (artist, album, title, etc.) like in foo_pod"
video load?

sorry to hassle. pretty orphaned out there now with foo_pod

I just released version 0.3.2 TEST which has configurable mappings for the ARTIST, TITLE and ALBUM fields. Use titleformatting in these preferences; leave them blank to disable that particular remapping. Use the "reload ipod library metadata" to apply it to existing songs.

Are there any other particular fields you think need remappings available?

Thank you very much for adding this. I could think of genre en composer to add.

ShadowVlican

Nov 30 2006, 13:49

QUOTE(sizetwo @ Nov 10 2006, 13:08)

Works fine on my 2nd generation iPod Shuffle... However I would like to be able to see the files on the iPod, but purely for transferring the files onto it it seems fine.

works fine? NICE TRY.

from http://yuo.be/ipod.php

QUOTE

Simple iPod management component which allows you to manage the songs on your Apple iPod (excluding iPod Shuffle) without the use of iTunes. Requires foobar2000 0.9.4+.

maybe now it works....because last time it sent useless files to my shuffle, even though it DID send the files the shuffle did not recognize it as music and blinked orange green orange green orange green orange green.....etc...

actually.. let me try it right NOW with the latest build....

yeap.... still doesn't work... the files show up in "Load Library" and i can see physical space used (no longer 1GB free).... BUT the shuffle doesn't play anything... whatever was uploaded is useless

sadly, inferior programs like itunes and winamp work flawlessly with MP3s and the 2G shuffle

furious

Nov 30 2006, 13:55

I would like to remind all of us here that as great as it would be if this product did everything we all want RIGHT NOW; the fact is musicmusic is donating time and effort to this project...sarcasm (if intentional) and rudeness (if intentional) is discouraging and ridiculously unnecessary. in the future i recommend gratitude and constructive feedback as alternatives.

musicmusic, thanks for all your time and effort and i eagerly await the coming features of this plug in.

ShadowVlican

Nov 30 2006, 14:03

i know that... and my post lets him know what doesn't work (sizetwo's post makes musicmusic think that it's working with the 2G shuffle, when in fact it DOESN'T, which will prompt him to have a second look)