this is a great plugin but two requests i would love musicmusic's to implement would be transferable album art like the winamp plugin & a sync with media library.

0.3.3 TEST released

It adds a simple experimental sync feature available through the contextmenu of selected files. Note: please understand what sync does before you use this feature. After syncronisation, the only files in your iPod library will be the ones you synced with. That also means any videos will be deleted, since foo_dop does not support them. Also bear in mind, it doesn't track files that are simply modified locally on your computer. I.e. if you modify a files on your computer, the sync feature will remove that file from your iPod and add the new version. That will result in some lost info (play counts, ...). AFAIK this is the same as foo_pod.

It also adds a SoundCheck target dB adjustment feature, but its not particulary useful because I realised SoundCheck is not working on my (5.5G) iPod. The correct adjustment values show up in iTunes - but the iPod is actually just making everything universally quieter with SoundCheck on I don't know what's up with that, firmware bug? Anyone know?

to clarify...

the sync feature is files only, no playlists: correct?

Any chance of adding support for embedded lyrics? I add the tag "UNSYNCED LYRICS" to a file and then transfer it, but it doesnt allow me to view them on the ipod. When I send the same file to the ipod using itunes, though, lyrics show up fine. I guess it needs to be added to the database or something?

Also, Anapod Explorer has a feature which adds album art to the ipod database based on folder.jpg or another image in the same folder as the music file. Would it be possible to do something like this, perhaps including a sources list like uie_albumart?

same with nano 2G

hi, thanks for intergrating the sync feature!

Although i do get a error message:

Runtime error!
Program: C:\D...
R6025
- pure virtual function call


Any ideas? Latest version, 5.5g 80gb video ipod, win xp foobar 9.4.2

Yes.


I guess its a bug, probably array index out of range. I'll take a look and add some more checks to catch it. But can you tell me at what stage in the progress dialog this happens? Thanks

not got my ipod on me to check right now, but it was right at the beginning i think the reading phase? i'll post back later

i was wondering whether you could implement a "Sync with Media library" from the File>iPod menu?

Another request but i fear it may not be possible - it would be great if somehow once you load iPod library it could be added to foobars media library? basically i want to be able to use autoplaylists on my iPod library

Edit: cant reproduce it, seems to be working atm.

ok ive only just found out about rockbox: http://www.rockbox.org/

ive not used it, but was wondering whether foo_dop would still load my library if it was a rockbox library not a iTunes library?

Edit: you may be able to drag and drop? ah i'll have to wait to find out as it doesnt support 80gb video yet

0.3.4 TEST released

It adds send playlist to iPod feature. Note:
-It does attempt to use existing files on the iPod if it can match the files up. It does this through metadata (ARTIST, TITLE and ALBUM fields). If it doesn't find a match it adds the file to the iPod. If you don't have any metadata on your files, it will also give wierd results. I may change the latter later.
-If there is a playlist with the same name already on the iPod, it replaces the contents of it with the new playlist.

I checked sync code and didn't see anything wrong. I also tried debug build and it didn't throw up anything. So I don't know what caused it, but I tested sync a lot and it seemed ok..


I probably will do so. But you can equally e.g. right click on root in album list and do it.

No it only uses iTunesDB.

Any chance of albumart and lyrics support?

Album art has already been requested here. Your welcome to add one for lyrics too.

before i committ my db to foo_dop...

the synch feature - obviously i can synch everything but if i tell it to sink while only highlighting a song or looking at a disk what will happen? is the synch feature always for the entire library?

also- will the synch feature delete songs on the ipod but not in foobar's library?

This works great. But if I attempt to send files that are already on the iPod from a general right-click context menu it allows me to send the duplicate files. Note that checking if the files are up to date gives "yes" etc.

Edit: Foobar 0.9.1, iPod Photo 60GB, I used foo_dop to remove all files from the iPod and used explorer to remove iTunesDB, iTunesDB.dop.backup, iTunesDB.PREANAPOD and prepped the iPod as a new one with foo_dop.
I was going to restore but iPod restorer gives a service error without iTunes installed meh..

Album art: No plan right now, sorry.
Lyrics: I looked into it and its pretty simple to add so it will be in the next build and will work as follows:
-For MP3s it will need id3v2 tag and lyrics stored in UNSYNCED LYRICS field
-For MP4/M4A it will need LYRICS field


Sync is in the context menu. If something on your iPod isn't in what you highlight it will be deleted.

Yes.. That's by design (for now anyway..)

I don't know if the firmware update was what fixed it, but its working fine (on my 5.5G) since updating to new 1.2.1 firmware

Would it be possible to add support for APE tags as well and have an option to specify the source tag name (eg. LYRICS instead of UNSYNCED LYRICS)? Or is it an iPod restriction?

Thanks.

Alessandro

I second this because all my files have APE tags instead of ID3v2.
Maybe you could even make it a configurable mapping so that one could remap UNSYNCED LYRICS to the LYRICS field.

The iPod reads the lyrics direct from the tags, so its not possible to change it I'm afraid.

(All I have to do is set a flag to tell the iPod they are there)

Hi,

would it be possible implement a function to use foo_dop (in combination with the foo_audioscrobbler plugin) to transmit playcounts to last.fm? Music transfer works great with foo_dop (Ipod G5) but I still have to use Yamipod to scrobble my playcounts.

schroeder

5 gen ipod
win xp sp2
foo 0.9.4

synch worked perfectly.

musicmusic- you are the man.

I found cause of this, it should be fixed in new version.

I don't think foo_audioscrobbler has an API.


Good Because there is a new version to test now It fixes the bug in sync above, but the funky code I used may have added some more. It also has some new features, details in changelog.

Talking about rockbox i have another question. With the old foo_pod there was a trick to build a itunes DB with any directory structure:

"I have a solution to this, you will need Foobar2000 v0.83 and the foo_pod plugin.


Copy all your files to the iPod using whatever directory structure you want.
Connect your iPod to the computer.
Load up Foobar2000, and select Components>foo_pod>Maintenance>Rebuild iTunesDB Database on iPod.
Foo_pod will then rebuild the iPod database with all your music files, but obviously only those that are recognised by the normal firmware of the iPod (AAC, MP3, ALAC etc).
You're done! One set of files accessible both by Rockbox and the normal iPod firmware.
Kiss me, I rule."


MusicMusic@ Do you think it could still work ?

You can do that with foo_dop, but its a bit longer procedure.

1. Rename your old iTunesDB.
2. Put your files on your iPod whereever you like (remember there is a path length limit)
3. Prepare the iPod using foo_dop.
4. Drag the songs from the iPod into foobar2000, and run the send to iPod context menu command on them.

First thanks for your quick answer.

1. You meqn renaming old iTunesDB as a backup file?
2. What is the path length limit? After trying it seems to be less than 64 so is there a way to change the size limit?(i think i already know the answer...)

1. Yes
2. Yes, 64 (that's including file://). No, it's a limitation of the iPod, it skips the files otherwise (although I haven't tested it on the 5G).

its really annoying the path length limit, but if its a iPod limitation i'll have to live with it.

Yes we have to live with it but it could oblige me not to use ipod firmware anymore since:
If i transfer my music on my ipod with itunes i can still read it on rockbox using the tagcache but i wont see any coverart since rockbox see coverart as a cover.bmp in the same directory as the song.

Another thing about this limitation, is it a firmware limitation or a hardware limitation? Cause if it is a firmware limitation i could ask in ipod wizard forum if something could be done to change that limit.

i have to wait for rockbox to support the new video iPod!

Musicmatch: is the new "sync with iPod" from the file menu simply the same as the one from the right click menu?

It would be nice to have a sync with media library!

I would imagine it's a firmware limitation. There was some discussion on page 3 of this thread (and some more in foo_pod's thread I think), but like I said I haven't checked if the same limitation exists on 5G. The limit seemed to be different on a 3G and 4G.


No. Check changelog, or try the command

Just added this to the feature requests:
Add support for track options based on ID3 tags (Equalizer preset, Compilation, Remember position, Skip when shuffling, and Gapless album)
You would have to make up custom tag fields for these, since itunes seems to keep these only in the database and does not store them in ID3. Maybe you could do them like this:
IPOD_EQUALIZER, IPOD_COMPILATION, IPOD_REMEMBERPOS, IPOD_SHUFFLESKIP, IPOD_GAPLESS

Would be really nice if you could open the source, I really want album art and I would really like to help;P
(I'm a second year CS major with some programming experience).

not tried it but you could upload your music to your ipod with foobar, then run winamps iPod plugin and update album art which in theory should add album art to all your music. Its not ideal (you may aswell just use the winamp plugin to upload your music, although it always crashes on me).

ps. i did cs at uni - man that was hard

Musicmatch: is it possible to add a "Eject iPod" to a future build?

foo_dop is updated so fast! Glad to see that!

just a little comment, could you add "select all" and "unselect all" on the playlist selection? I have tons of playlists, and I have to mark them about 50 times to select all of them ...

It looks like we want foo_dop to have every feature that was available with foo_pod.
In due time...
foo_dop is great so far, thanks Musicmusic and keep up the great work.

Inatightspot

I don't really want to do those through metafields, but I will add some kind of way to edit them at some point.

Ok I realise there is a lot of demand for album art I do plan on adding support for it, but don't know when yet.

Indeed, I plan to add that

I did realise that was needed. But for test version I prefer to concentrate on (raw) functionality/internals, and leave polish/clean-up/etc to non-test versions. So maybe soon?

BTW if you note these requests in the wiki page (if they haven't been already) it may help remind of them in the future

I think basing these options on metadata would be a good way to do it though, because otherwise you would need to reset them anytime you take songs off the ipod and put them back on. For example, Im always swtiching around my ipod nano library, and it would be nice if I didnt have to set these options more than once. Doing it through tags would also allow us to set these options easily with scripts or with trackinfo buttons.

i was looking at the changelog a lot of the stuff in there has been done, they just need to be crossed off

I actually tried to use the winamp plugin, and it did transfer album art, however it crashed a _lot_.
In addition I could not get winamp to correctly recognize all my tags, perhaps it does not support ape or something, the result was that all my music would show up very badly organized;P
And yeah, cs is hard, all this math is killing me;P

There are no dumb questions, right? Ok, here is a possible dumb one. With recent developments I'm anxious to try foo_dop out, but I have some possible concerns with the playlist feature.

I have a live version and a non live version of a track that share the common following tags
Artist: Foo
Title: Bar

However, the live version also has
Comment: Live

It sounds like if I upload two playlists, one with the live version and another with the non live version, I may not get the desired results based on the following text.

"Files are matched to those on your iPod using metadata (ARTIST, TITLE and ALBUM fields). Therefore any track without metadata may be matched to the wrong track."

Is there a way around this with the currently existing features? Is this what 'Metadata 'mapping' fields do' in tools->ipod manager? Is the solution to put something like '%title%[ {%comment%}]' into Title mapping?

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Also, can anyone else point to success with the "SoundCheck adjustment" feature? There were a few messages that said 'eh, didn't work' and one that said 'yup, worked after firmware upgrade'. I like to boost all files to ~95db or so since my fm transmitter is so quiet.

-Michael

Actually, I've never used foo_pod before. Just something comes to my mine which will make foo_pod easier to use.

Keep it up!

Hi musicmusic,

I have been watching this thread for a while now and regularly checking the changelog with my fingers crossed, hoping to see a line go through the first item on the request list, 'Add dynamic transcoding to support other formats like FLAC'.

I see this list is not in order of priority so i guess i have to ask again, how important is this feature to you? And my second question is what would it take to make it more important?

All of my tunes are either in Flac or some obscure codec (mpc) and i would dearly love to simplify sending files to my girlfriends Ipod using Foobar2000 V9.x.

I see what you are saying. I would prefer the fields to be stored in an external database rather than the tags itself - but realistically that's not going to happen. Ideally I guess I'll add both tag-based and non tagged based methods.

If the ARTIST, ALBUM and TITLE fields match exactly for those files, then yes they will get mixed up. This does not depend on field re-mappings. It also only affects the "Send playlists to iPod" and not the syncronise feature.

The reason behind this is to avoid duplicates if the file has been modified locally since this is not a sync operation (where the old version would get deleted from the iPod). I'm not sure changing the fields it uses is going to help so much - definitely I am not going to add COMMENT to the list. Does neither the TITLE nor ALBUM vary for your files?

Next version will store the source path on the iPod for files sent using foo_dop. This info could be used in future versions to seperate two matching files (if you don't move your files around).


It is somewhat important to me (I have tracks in MPC, OGG Vorbis, WavPack, WMA, ... too) but there are lots of issues surrounding it:
-tracking the files properly for sync. This can be solved my storing necessary data in foo_dop's db it will store in iPod from next version
-the actual conversion. There is no convertor API or source - so I would have to rewrite large chunks of it for a decent level of functionality.

I will most likely work on it at some point. But its quite complicated.

musicmusic said:
If the ARTIST, ALBUM and TITLE fields match exactly for those files, then yes they will get mixed up. This does not depend on field re-mappings. It also only affects the "Send playlists to iPod" and not the syncronise feature. The reason behind this is to avoid duplicates if the file has been modified locally since this is not a sync operation (where the old version would get deleted from the iPod). I'm not sure changing the fields it uses is going to help so much - definitely I am not going to add COMMENT to the list. Does neither the TITLE nor ALBUM vary for your files?

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Lets say I have two versions of the same song, one live off the radio and one not. So that I can do queries like "show me all versions of song X" based on the title field, I've been putting tags like 'live, fm radio' in the 'comment' field. I have not been storing this information in the 'album' field because when I sort by albums, I do not want to have a bunch of tiny albums listed that only have a single song or two.

It seemed to have done the right thing when I sync'd but I didn't yet listen to the 'live' playlist that I uploaded.

It might be nice to have a debug window option so that you can get more details on what foo_pod is doing. For example, when I sync playlists, sometimes foo_pod copies files over (probably because of the tag matching problem). It would be neat to see what it copied.

Thanks for all your efforts. Even though it's still a little rough in spots, I've finally been able to ditch Itunes and use replaygain to drive Soundcheck. It worked great on the fm dock!

-Michael

I'd like to chime in and say that this would be a HUGE feature for me. 90% of my music is .flac (the other bit being .ape that I haven't converted yet) and I have been waiting a long time for a way to transcode the .flac files to .mp3 on the fly when I move them over to my Ipod.

Hi! I just want to ask if it is possible to add iPod Shuffle support too.

now i'm getting ahead of myself as this would be a very low priority, just wondering whether in the distance future you have thought about uploading videos to the ipod? i love that it retrieves them when you load the library (can then use a foo_run script to play them), but if you could also upload them, then i could finally uninstall iTunes!

read this about foo_sendtodevice :

.......Non mp3 files can be converted on the fly with new feature (beta stages)

cwbowron may share the code, would be a time saver for transcoding

Version 0.3.6 TEST released

It adds a simple transcoder (some more info in wiki, its quite experimental) for unsupported filetypes. It should be configured via prefs first. E.g.

LAME: lame - %d
Nero: neroAacEnc -if - -of %d

where lame.exe, neroAacEnc.exe are on the path.

It would be good to test it with some different encoders and also different filetypes as input.

Hi musicmusic,

I just transcoded one FLAC file to Nero AAC and it worked flawlessly. Very Cool! I tried to transcode one track from a FLAC image file with an embedded cuesheet, but foo_dop didn't like that at all. Though, as this was your first pass with transcoding, I was expecting that it might not work.

Damn, you do fine work! :-) and Thank You.

I will improve the matching algorithm so it detects multiple matches and does something to try and pick the right one.

Possible: yes. Planned: not right now.

Yes I thought about it. It would probably have to be done by tagging videos as such (and also their type, e.g music video, film, tv show, ...). But it is planned.

Thanks for testing

Yes, chapters not supported mainly because its difficult to support them for filetypes that are natively supported by the iPod. But in your case - filetype not supported by iPod - it should be fairly straightforward to make it transcode them to separate files. Right now I think it would try and convert the first track and complain about the rest.

Other thing still to be implemented is replaygain/soundcheck scanning for converted files. Although you can do it manually.