<nod> I have it in manual mode.




I'm not sure which Advanced Preferences you are referring to. I'll assume it is the Advanced Preferences for Foobar2000. I have MP4 enabled there..to the extent that you can.

Here is a sample file that worked fine from iTunes but doesn't transfer with foo_dop. When I transfer it using foo_dop it appears in the Video list on the iPod.

The program I used to convert from avi to iPod formatted mp4 is ...

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Thanks for the quick reply.

I sent the file to my iPod Classic, both to my existing library and from blank and it played as video no problem.

Yes I was referring to the iPod Manager option on the advanced prefs page ("Scan MP4s for video content") but if it came up on the video list then that shouldn't be the problem.

Have you updated your Nano 3G to the latest 1.0.2 firmware? Not sure why it works on my Classic and not your Nano 3G. (Also latest version of foo_dop?)

Otherwise I am not sure of what the problem is. I have a few remote ideas that I'll try for next version, so try that when I release it.

I updated the firmware last night. I am using foo_dop0.5.0 TEST.

It's possible that it may just be an issue with the Nano 3G's. My techie friends are saying that the hardware used is a completely new build. There are virtually no duplicated components between the 3G Nano's and any of the other iPod's. Now if only Apple could have nixed iTunes as well.........

It appears to work until the very end of the process, where the plugin throws all kinds of errors relating to gapless playback. The files go to the ipod correctly and will play, however there is no gapless playback.

I'm having a very odd problem with foo_dop. I have a 2G Nano, and I put my Top Rated autoplaylist on it (songs rated 4 or higher). Starting with foo_dop .4.7 (although I don't think it started immediately), certain songs don't play on the iPod. They appear normally in all of the menus, and when I select them, I see the name, band, album art, etc., but then it immediately skips to the next song. If if does this for one song from a particular album, it does it for all of them.

Even weirder, songs from one album (In Rainbows, actually) cause the iPod to reboot as soon as they are played. This can be a bit of a pain, as you might expect.

When I get home I'll try rolling back to .4.6, and it's entirely possible there's just something wrong with my iPod, but I just thought I'd pass this along.

Right. You probably have "Determine gapless data for files sent to iPod" checked. And it is just telling you it failed to determine the gapless data for some of the files you sent to the iPod (=> they won't play gapless). Only LAME MP3 and iTunes AAC is supported by the gapless scanner.

Do you use album art? It could be related to that. I doubt there's anything wrong with your iPod.

I did fix some bugs in album art handling along the way, so try 0.5.0 first (restore your iPod first to get rid of any remaining issues). You don't use any other apps with your iPod do you (apart from iTunes) ?.

Wow.

So I figured out the problem with playing videos in the new 3g Nano. music music, even though your iPod played a sample just fine mine continued to be obstinant. Then I had a really dumb idea (I tried it after the new Radiohead album had similar issues playing).

I changed the file extension on the video from .MP4 to .mp4 . Then I copied the video using foobar. Works like a charm.

Apparently the new iPod doesn't like capital letters. Either in mp3's or in mp4's.

Ahh nice work When I downloaded your file, it saved with the extension in lowercase

I sent a video with an uppercase extension and it just doesn't play the file (sits at 00:00). I'll make the next version convert extensions to lower case.

Thanks for the info.

In Rainbows was exactly the album that gave me problems. Check to make sure that the mp3 extension is lowercase....instead of MP3. That fixed it for me.

I went from seeing the songs in the list without being able to play them....to playing perfectly.

Genius! No more crashing on In Rainbows.

Didn't have a chance to do a full restore today (I don't have iTunes installed on this computer), so still no luck with the skipped tracks. I did test, though, and when I do "Load library" I can play all of the songs in Foobar from the iPod, so the files are all there, and they're not corrupted. Any ideas?

Do any of the other tracks that cause problems have non-lowercase file extensions? (Check how it is displayed in the Properties of the problem tracks in foobar2000 after a Load Library) If you send the same files again do they play ? (I assume not..)

Actually it's probably not album art problem, so don't restore unless you want to.

Been using the 5.0 version of foo_dop now and so far it works perfectly, transfered around 500 songs to my ipod nano 8gb (3g) here the other day, worked flawlessly =)

The file extensions are lower case on the skipping tracks. Sending them again doesn't have any effect.

Further weirdness: some of my folder.jpg files have been disappearing. I noticed this because the album art on one album was displaying upside down in Foobar. I went to update it and, when viewing in Explorer, there was no folder.jpg, even when displaying hidden files or viewing from the command prompt [EDIT: actually, in the command prompt, if I use "dir /ah" the file is visible]. When I tried to copy in a new folder.jpg, I was informed that there was already a file with that name, and that it was not accessible, so I couldn't delete/overwrite it.

Relevance: folder.jpg is missing in the folders of the albums with skipping tracks, yet the album art continues to display in Explorer, Foobar, and also on the iPod in the split second before it skips to the next track. Album Art Downloader also purports to see these files in the folders where I can't see them. I haven't got an iPod USB cable on me at the moment, but later I'll try copying out the MP3s, deleting the folders, and then recreating the folders and dropping the MP3s back in (which is what I had to do to solve my missing folder.jpg problem).

OK so let me make sure I have this right. You have some files which always fail to play on the iPod (skipped) when you send them using foo_dop. Other files are OK. If that's correct, my next question is what happens if you send one of the problematic files via iTunes.

They are probably hidden, if your Windows Explorer set to show hidden files (Folder Options)? I think Windows used to hide those folder.jpg files via desktop.ini (also hidden) but I'm not sure on that / if it still does.

You've got the situation right.

So, iTunes won't even load the files in question into the library. I am officially at a complete and total loss as to explain what the hell is going on with these files.

What file format are they? If you upload one I'll take a look at it (PM me the link if you like)

Ok, the file has two id3v2 tags at the beginning of the file

I removed the first one with a hex editor & it imported into iTunes fine.

If you want to fix this with foobar2000, load the file into foobar2000 and from MP3 Tag Types in the context menu uncheck id3v2. (From my testing) this will remove the first id3v2 tag leaving the second one intact.

Probably any tagging you have been doing has gone into the first tag, though.

That's done it! I prefer not to think about how this happened, I'm just glad it works again.

Thanks for the fix!

Is there a way to get my ipod to recognize more than one source for album art? i.e folder.jpg, cover.jpg, folder.gif etc.

Also, I added a bunch of videos to my ipod (80 gig classic) on a different computer and when I synched my ipod with foobar all the videos disappeared. How can I keep everything on my ipod but still add any new files or metadata that have been added to my library.

Hello musicmusic,
Here is a proposal: a setting for playback in mono, for busted speaker situations or for people who may not hear equally well in both ears.
Thanks for considering.

I think I may have screwed up my iPod. I have an 8GB 3G Nano and all was working fine. I updated the iPod firmware yesterday in iTunes as well as used it to transfer some songs. I then used foobar to transfer some songs (latest version of fooobar and foo_dop) and now my iPod says there are 0 songs on it. I can load the songs in foobar and listen to them, but I can't play them on the iPod or in iTunes.

I tried the "Rewrite iPod Database" in foobar but that didn't work. Is there a way I can use foo_dop to tranfer all my songs and videos to my HDD, format my iPod then transfer them back? Or is tehre a way I can rebuild the iPod database?

I don't think you can copy the videos with foobar2000 but for the audio files it should be simple. Just add everything in the ipod to an empty playlist (File -> Add Folder...) and use the File Operations -> Copy To... dialog to set the filename pattern and to copy the files.

For the videos search through the ipod with a filemanager, they are there somewhere, probably hidden. I feel to lazy right now to check and tell you.

...mp4 container is supported by foobar so File Operations are enough

Nice. It hung on one .mp4 video file but I restarted the copy and it worked. The hardest part was figuring out the the "File Operations" thing was a seperate plugin that wasn't installed by default, haha.

Thanks for your help.

I cannot add any songs to my friends 2gb iPod Nano. After I load the songs into foobar2000, I right-click and click Send To iPod. I then get an error how the songs cannot be found.

I really love the plugin, all seems to work brilliantly! I'm really happy that it's transfering the ratings to the iPod, but will there be any support for transfering the ratings back off the iPod and onto my PC anytime soon?

This is the final feature before I have Foobar configured to replace every single useful element of iTunes I use, just faster prettier!

Another thing, doesn't make any difference to the workings of the component, but when I go to 'View iPod Device Information' it says I've got an iPod Shuffle 1G Black, when I've got an iPod 2G Nano Black!

What is the exact text of the error? Where are the source files located? They playback in foobar2000, right?

"I don't know" is the best answer I can give, sorry.

Hmm.. I broke it when adding Classic/Nano 3G support. No it's just cosmetic It got the colour right anyway

Sorry if this has been answered before, but do I need iTunes installed for this plugin to work? I transferred some songs to a freshly formatted iPod but when I turn the ipod after using foo_pod, it says "Connect the iPod to iTunes to recover" in many languages. What's with this?

Using 0.5 of foo_pod
iPod Video 30GB 5.5G
Vista

I'm not an expert, but I think it'll work best if you connect it with iTunes, put some stuff on, then go over to foo_dop, once you've done that yo should be fine without iTunes (but I'd leave it installed, you still need it to update the iPod firmware!)

I'm not sure what happened, I don't really test by formatting just by renaming directories. Perhaps you used the wrong settings when formatting?

In any case it is indeed a better idea to "Restore" using iTunes instead of formatting. You'll need iTunes to update your iPod's firmware anyway (which is something you should also do if not on the latest).

BTW foo_pod is something very different from foo_dop.

The latest foo_dop (0.5) works incorrectly with foobar 0.9.5 beta file operations component. E.g. when you select an album in the playlist and select 'File Ops -> Copy', it asks you to copy a lot of unrelated tracks besides selected.

Pay careful attention to the "Copy entire source directory contents" option.

BTW there seems to be an issue with album art support and foobar2000 0.9.5, I'm looking into it.
[edit] Just an issue with invalid filename characters creeping in from metadata. I'll fix that for next build.

[edit]Hmm.. I may leave it alone, it's probably going to cause more issues filtering them.

(Nice waste of a post )

I've been given this some thought lately, and I've come to wonder - how about removing unnecessary metadata from files before adding the files to the iPod's database (iPods doesn't need %play_count, for instance%)? Of course, I'm talking about from the copy foo_dop makes, not the originals. It's theoretically possible, and it shouldn't think of a file with new %rating%/%play_count% as new.

I would love to see a compilation feature that would:

change the artist field to the album name
then change the album to the artist
and keep the songs the same

lm sick of having a thousand artist with just one song because there in a compilation

having a send as compilation feature would be awesome

Not sure if this is a bug, but anyway here it goes.
The plugin works fine here, but there is a little problem on my Nano 8gb 3rd gen, a game called iquiz came with it(for those who dont know this is a game which uses your songs on the ipod to make a quiz and so forth)anyway this game doesn't seem to work properly, because when it ask me a question like "which album is this song from" there should be a song playing, but there is not, so i have no clue how to answer the question.

This is nothing big of course, just a thing i noticed here the other day.

Well, foo_dop uses the metadata, and furthermore some people use the 'load library' command and play songs of the iPod through foobar2000.

It tracks files through modification dates and filesizes. So if updating the play count/rating modifies the file then it will be updated on the iPod on next sync (reasons include the above).

The iPod does have some handling for compilations, though the only way to mark files a part of a compilation using foo_dop is to set the IPOD_COMPILATION meta field to 1. Alternatively you can set it using iTunes directly on the tracks on your iPod. Then you use the compilations feature on your ipod, it works a bit different on different models apparently, it may be a setting on your iPod as well.


Indeed, it is a known issue. I tried to find the cause a while ago but failed unfortunately. So it remains broken until I find out the problem

A problem with tags maybe? (APE, ID3v1 etc). Thats the only thing I can come up with since I don't understand how else it would effect the quiz...Well maybe filenames but I don't think so.
Since I'm in the process of getting a Classic, I can't test out my-self.

That was a good hint, it is in fact path/filename length related.

It seems that effectively the filename (inc. extension) cannot be longer than 12 characters for MQ2 to work compared to the current limit of 31 in foo_dop.

I think I will change the limit to 12 characters, but add a setting on the advanced page to adjust it for those that want longer. Of course keep in mind if a track's filename is too long the iPod won't play it.

0.5.1 TEST released. Just fixes a few bugs, details in changelog.

Would it be possible to add a "Compilation mapping" field in the preferences? I'd prefer adding a little TAGZ in foobar rather than adding metadata to my compilations just for foo_dop.

Well, there's done and screwed it up - I thought syncing to iPod meant that the songs whose filenames I'd just corrected would be uploaded - forgetting that I'd just done a quicksearch and there were only two songs on the list right then. There's 27GB of music gone. Any chance the deleted files might still be alive somewhere on my system?

Heh, cool. Just got my classic last night too...

I'm not sure if this is the right place for my request however it does involve the iPod DB but I may also contact Florian to see what he says on the request.

Would it be possible to submit music played on the iPod to Last.FM by using foo_dop?

Edit: Eh looks like its already in your request list. Nevermind.

Hi,
Yes OK.

Hi, I assume you don't have the local copies anymore?
In that case you may be able to recover some of the songs from your iPod but first you should stop using it. If you have iTunes installed on your computer stop the iPodService as well. Then connect it up and use some file recovery program. One is findpart, see the "Findpart Chsdir" subcommmand. I don't know how well it works, I've only ever used the findntfs utility. Just make sure you don't set it to copy the files back to the iPod! First you may want to use the option to dump the list of files to a text file so you can see what it finds. Good luck.

I can say definitely there won't be any direct last.fm support from my side. Not sure how indirect support would work though..

In Foobar2000, can a component (such as foo_dop) pass data to another component (such as foo_audioscrobber)?

I didn't expect direct support since theres foo_audioscrobber and such would be adding unrelated feature bloat and\or would be reinventing the wheel. I am hoping for a joint effort between foo_pod and foo_audioscrobber.
Since foo_dop can already read the iTunesDB and foo_audioscrobber can access Last.FM, wouldn't it be possible to pass data to foo_audioscrobber ("The Proper Way"TM) or even store it in its cache for submission (which is quite hack-ish)?

Also in the requests is the ability to sync playcounts and rating between the iPod and Foobar2000 which is somewhat similar to the last.fm request.

If it exposes an API: yes. I do not beleive foo_audioscrobber does. Or, maybe I could add a generic API for other components to receive playback data from portable devices..? The latter makes more sense to me at the moment. It does mean I don't have to implement any specific support for any particular play count related components.

Definitely.

Of course The Proper Way does not exist at the moment.

Indeed if it's not done through a documented/published API it's relatively suicidal..

It is more similar because e.g. foo_playcount uses a database which I don't have access to. Adding that API I mentioned would solve this somewhat. But that will only work if these other components use it.

Thanks for both your reply and foo_dop.

Umm some problems...
I have a 160gb classic. But I have some trouble sending files to the iPod. The files reside on the hard drive and are available in the album list. I right click and sent to iPod. The album is .mp3 with its tags a combination of APE + ID3v1. Upon ejecting, I can browse the newly transfered albums however upon selecting them to play, the HDD spins up and the now playing screen is showing however it stays at 0:00. Upon reconnecting the iPod iTunes sees the music however it has a ! next to track titles. Also the file names of all tracks are "(.)" and are undeleteable.

Is this those minor issues written next to classic on your wiki musicmusic?
Ive yet to see whether dragging the music to the iPod THEN adding to the library makes any difference.
Will experiment in the morning however is this a new issue? (I have to restore the iPod in order to remove those files)

Can the give me an example of the source filename and what foo_dop named the file (exactly) as seen when you do a load library and go to properties of the problem track? Also, a list of the other filenames in the destination dir on the iPod would be helpful. I couldn't reproduce anything like this.

No, minor issues refers to some stuff that has been fixed some some remaining minor issues:
-Handling of playlist folders
-The clsasic/nano 3g want items to be sorted with numbers after letters, foo_dop doesn't do that which results in a slight oddity with the scroll-letter thing at the top of the list.

IIRC Last.fm software supports iPods natively.