Hydrogenaudio Forums > What's wrong with that CUE sheet?

k.eight.a

Jun 9 2006, 10:36

Hi!
I wanted to burn my own compilation CD consisting of two Sepultura albums, the CUE sheet looks like this:

CODE

REM GENRE "Metal"
REM DATE 1993 / 2003
REM DISCID CF105310
REM COMMENT "ExactAudioCopy v0.95b3"
PERFORMER "Sepultura"
TITLE "Chaos A.D. & RoorBack"
FILE "01 - Refuse, Resist.wav" WAVE
  TRACK 01 AUDIO
    TITLE "Refuse/Resist"
    PERFORMER "Sepultura"
    ISRC NLA329301550
    INDEX 01 00:00:00
FILE "02 - Territory.wav" WAVE
  TRACK 02 AUDIO
    TITLE "Territory"
    PERFORMER "Sepultura"
    ISRC NLA329301560
    INDEX 01 00:00:00
FILE "03 - Slave New World.wav" WAVE
  TRACK 03 AUDIO
    TITLE "Slave New World"
    PERFORMER "Sepultura"
    ISRC NLA329301570
    INDEX 01 00:00:00
FILE "04 - Amen.wav" WAVE
  TRACK 04 AUDIO
    TITLE "Amen"
    PERFORMER "Sepultura"
    ISRC NLA329301580
    INDEX 01 00:00:00
FILE "05 - Kaiowas (Instrumental).wav" WAVE
  TRACK 05 AUDIO
    TITLE "Kaiowas (Instrumental)"
    PERFORMER "Sepultura"
    ISRC NLA329301590
    INDEX 01 00:00:00
FILE "06 - Propaganda.wav" WAVE
  TRACK 06 AUDIO
    TITLE "Propaganda"
    PERFORMER "Sepultura"
    ISRC NLA329301630
    INDEX 01 00:00:00
FILE "07 - BioTech Is Godzilla.wav" WAVE
  TRACK 07 AUDIO
    TITLE "BioTech Is Godzilla"
    PERFORMER "Sepultura"
    ISRC NLA329301640
    INDEX 01 00:00:00
FILE "08 - Nomad.wav" WAVE
  TRACK 08 AUDIO
    TITLE "Nomad"
    PERFORMER "Sepultura"
    ISRC NLA329301650
    INDEX 01 00:00:00
FILE "09 - We Who Are Not As Others.wav" WAVE
  TRACK 09 AUDIO
    TITLE "We Who Are Not As Others"
    PERFORMER "Sepultura"
    ISRC NLA329301600
    INDEX 01 00:00:00
FILE "10 - Manifest.wav" WAVE
  TRACK 10 AUDIO
    TITLE "Manifest"
    PERFORMER "Sepultura"
    ISRC NLA329301620
    INDEX 01 00:00:00
FILE "11 - The Hunt (New Model Army Cover).wav" WAVE
  TRACK 11 AUDIO
    TITLE "The Hunt (New Model Army Cover)"
    PERFORMER "Sepultura"
    ISRC NLA329301610
    INDEX 01 00:00:00
FILE "12 - Clenched Fist.wav" WAVE
  TRACK 12 AUDIO
    TITLE "Clenched Fist"
    PERFORMER "Sepultura"
    ISRC NLA329301660
    INDEX 01 00:00:00
FILE "second.wav" WAVE
  TRACK 13 AUDIO
    TITLE " "
    PERFORMER "Sepultura"
    ISRC NLA329301661
    INDEX 01 00:00:00
FILE "second.wav" WAVE
  TRACK 14 AUDIO
    TITLE " "
    PERFORMER "Sepultura"
    ISRC NLA329301662
    INDEX 01 00:00:00
FILE "second.wav" WAVE
  TRACK 15 AUDIO
    TITLE " "
    PERFORMER "Sepultura"
    ISRC NLA329301663
    INDEX 01 00:00:00
FILE "second.wav" WAVE
  TRACK 16 AUDIO
    TITLE " "
    PERFORMER "Sepultura"
    ISRC NLA329301664
    INDEX 01 00:00:00
FILE "second.wav" WAVE
  TRACK 17 AUDIO
    TITLE " "
    PERFORMER "Sepultura"
    ISRC NLA329301665
    INDEX 01 00:00:00
FILE "second.wav" WAVE
  TRACK 18 AUDIO
    TITLE " "
    PERFORMER "Sepultura"
    ISRC NLA329301666
    INDEX 01 00:00:00
FILE "second.wav" WAVE
  TRACK 19 AUDIO
    TITLE " "
    PERFORMER "Sepultura"
    ISRC NLA329301667
    INDEX 01 00:00:00
FILE "second.wav" WAVE
  TRACK 20 AUDIO
    TITLE " "
    PERFORMER "Sepultura"
    ISRC NLA329301668
    INDEX 01 00:00:00
FILE "01 - Come Back Alive.wav" WAVE
  TRACK 21 AUDIO
    TITLE "Come Back Alive"
    PERFORMER "Sepultura"
    ISRC DEA450301820
    FLAGS DCP
    INDEX 01 00:00:00
FILE "02 - Godless.wav" WAVE
  TRACK 22 AUDIO
    TITLE "Godless"
    PERFORMER "Sepultura"
    ISRC DEA450301830
    FLAGS DCP
    INDEX 01 00:00:00
FILE "03 - Apes of God.wav" WAVE
  TRACK 23 AUDIO
    TITLE "Apes of God"
    PERFORMER "Sepultura"
    ISRC DEA450301840
    FLAGS DCP
    INDEX 01 00:00:00
FILE "04 - More of the Same.wav" WAVE
  TRACK 24 AUDIO
    TITLE "More of the Same"
    PERFORMER "Sepultura"
    ISRC DEA450301850
    FLAGS DCP
    INDEX 01 00:00:00
FILE "05 - Urge.wav" WAVE
  TRACK 25 AUDIO
    TITLE "Urge"
    PERFORMER "Sepultura"
    ISRC DEA450301860
    FLAGS DCP
    INDEX 01 00:00:00
  TRACK 26 AUDIO
    TITLE "Corrupted"
    PERFORMER "Sepultura"
    ISRC DEA450301870
    FLAGS DCP
    INDEX 00 03:16:32
FILE "06 - Corrupted.wav" WAVE
    INDEX 01 00:00:00
  TRACK 27 AUDIO
    TITLE "As It Is"
    PERFORMER "Sepultura"
    ISRC DEA450301880
    FLAGS DCP
    INDEX 00 02:32:64
FILE "07 - As It Is.wav" WAVE
    INDEX 01 00:00:00
FILE "08 - Mind War.wav" WAVE
  TRACK 28 AUDIO
    TITLE "Mind War"
    PERFORMER "Sepultura"
    ISRC DEA450301890
    FLAGS DCP
    INDEX 01 00:00:00
FILE "09 - Leech.wav" WAVE
  TRACK 29 AUDIO
    TITLE "Leech"
    PERFORMER "Sepultura"
    ISRC DEA450301900
    FLAGS DCP
    INDEX 01 00:00:00
FILE "10 - The Rift.wav" WAVE
  TRACK 30 AUDIO
    TITLE "The Rift"
    PERFORMER "Sepultura"
    ISRC DEA450301910
    FLAGS DCP
    INDEX 01 00:00:00
FILE "11 - Bottomed Out.wav" WAVE
  TRACK 31 AUDIO
    TITLE "Bottomed Out"
    PERFORMER "Sepultura"
    ISRC DEA450301920
    FLAGS DCP
    INDEX 01 00:00:00
FILE "12 - Activist.wav" WAVE
  TRACK 32 AUDIO
    TITLE "Activist"
    PERFORMER "Sepultura"
    ISRC DEA450301930
    FLAGS DCP
    INDEX 01 00:00:00
FILE "14 - Bullet the Blue Sky (Bonus Track).wav" WAVE
  TRACK 33 AUDIO
    TITLE "Bullet the Blue Sky (U2 Cover - Bonus Track)"
    PERFORMER "Sepultura"
    ISRC DEA450302000
    FLAGS DCP
    PREGAP 00:02:00
    INDEX 01 00:00:00

Please tell me what's wrong and please suggest me how to correct it...?

Thanks in advance!

PS: The CD has a lenght 91:58 but I'm writing it through EAC or Burrrn and I have a high capacity CD-R.

JunkieXL

Jun 9 2006, 10:49

You cannot burn more than 90 mins of wave formatted data to a CD.

Any cue with 90+ mins will not burn correctly in EAC.
JXL

JunkieXL

Jun 9 2006, 11:15

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FILE "second.wav" WAVE
  TRACK 13 AUDIO
    TITLE " "
    PERFORMER "Sepultura"
    ISRC NLA329301661
    INDEX 01 00:00:00
FILE "second.wav" WAVE
  TRACK 14 AUDIO
    TITLE " "
    PERFORMER "Sepultura"
    ISRC NLA329301662
    INDEX 01 00:00:00
FILE "second.wav" WAVE
  TRACK 15 AUDIO
    TITLE " "
    PERFORMER "Sepultura"
    ISRC NLA329301663
    INDEX 01 00:00:00
FILE "second.wav" WAVE
  TRACK 16 AUDIO
    TITLE " "
    PERFORMER "Sepultura"
    ISRC NLA329301664
    INDEX 01 00:00:00
FILE "second.wav" WAVE
  TRACK 17 AUDIO
    TITLE " "
    PERFORMER "Sepultura"
    ISRC NLA329301665
    INDEX 01 00:00:00
FILE "second.wav" WAVE
  TRACK 18 AUDIO
    TITLE " "
    PERFORMER "Sepultura"
    ISRC NLA329301666
    INDEX 01 00:00:00
FILE "second.wav" WAVE
  TRACK 19 AUDIO
    TITLE " "
    PERFORMER "Sepultura"
    ISRC NLA329301667
    INDEX 01 00:00:00
FILE "second.wav" WAVE
  TRACK 20 AUDIO
    TITLE " "
    PERFORMER "Sepultura"
    ISRC NLA329301668
    INDEX 01 00:00:00

Looked a little closer and you have 7 tracks cut from the same file that have the same start point. Meaning it would burn the same wave file all the way through 7 times in a row.

I saw multiple other errors in the edited portion of the cue file after the original CD cue had ended as well, but there really isn't much a point to list them out.

The only way for you to store more than one CD onto a CD-R is to use a compressed audio format and have a player that supports that format.

i.e. mp3 CDs
JXL

k.eight.a

Jun 10 2006, 04:15

Thanks for your replies!

Anyway I have burned CD that have 97 minutes in the past succesfully with EAC so I don't get your point...
Sure, there are 7 tracks with 1 second of silence intentionally. I wanted the RoorBack album starting at 31 track, just to have the first track on index with one, like 01, 11, 21, 31 and so on...

My English is not so good so I don't understand the second paragraf.

QUOTE(JunkieXL @ Jun 9 2006, 18:15)

Looked a little closer and you have 7 tracks cut from the same file that have the same start point. Meaning it would burn the same wave file all the way through 7 times in a row.

I saw multiple other errors in the edited portion of the cue file after the original CD cue had ended as well, but there really isn't much a point to list them out.

The only way for you to store more than one CD onto a CD-R is to use a compressed audio format and have a player that supports that format.

i.e. mp3 CDs
JXL

Egor

Jun 10 2006, 04:59

QUOTE(k.eight.a @ Jun 9 2006, 23:36)

Hi!
I wanted to burn my own compilation CD consisting of two Sepultura albums, the CUE sheet looks like this:

Please tell me what's wrong and please suggest me how to correct it...?

Hi,
you really should read the cuesheet creation syntax, it is available at Goldenhawk's site:
CDRWIN User's Guide in Acrobat file format (2.5Mb)

Some hints:

QUOTE

TRACKS LESS THAN 4 SECONDS LONG - The CDROM specification does not allow any tracks or indexes (other than index zero) to be less than four seconds long. This software will warn you about any tracks that violate this rule. Most recorders will refuse to write a CD with this violation.

QUOTE

INDEX Command - This command is used to specify indexes (or subindexes) within a track. Rules: All index numbers must be between 0 and 99 inclusive. The first index must be 0 or 1 with all other indexes being sequential to the first one. The first index of a file must start at 00:00:00.

- your cuesheet contains incorrect entry

QUOTE

FILE "06 - Corrupted.wav" WAVE
INDEX 01 00:00:00
TRACK 27 AUDIO
TITLE "As It Is"
PERFORMER "Sepultura"
ISRC DEA450301880
FLAGS DCP
INDEX 00 02:32:64

And generally, it is better to avoid PREGAP and POSTGAP commands, instead, add silence to a wav file.

k.eight.a

Jun 10 2006, 05:19

1) It is not the first time I'm trying to burn a track less than 4 seconds long. I have burned it successfuly!
2)

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FILE "05 - Urge.wav" WAVE
  TRACK 25 AUDIO
    TITLE "Urge"
    PERFORMER "Sepultura"
    ISRC DEA450301860
    FLAGS DCP
    INDEX 01 00:00:00
  TRACK 26 AUDIO
    TITLE "Corrupted"
    PERFORMER "Sepultura"
    ISRC DEA450301870
    FLAGS DCP
    INDEX 00 03:16:32
FILE "06 - Corrupted.wav" WAVE
    INDEX 01 00:00:00
  TRACK 27 AUDIO
    TITLE "As It Is"
    PERFORMER "Sepultura"
    ISRC DEA450301880
    FLAGS DCP
    INDEX 00 02:32:64
FILE "07 - As It Is.wav" WAVE
    INDEX 01 00:00:00

...should be correct, it was generated by EAC via Action > Create CUE sheet > Current gap settings
The only change is the track numbers!

Anyway I will look at the resources you've suggested.

Hollunder

Jun 10 2006, 05:25

QUOTE(Egor @ Jun 10 2006, 12:59)

Some hints: [size=1]

QUOTE

TRACKS LESS THAN 4 SECONDS LONG - The CDROM specification does not allow any tracks or indexes (other than index zero) to be less than four seconds long. This software will warn you about any tracks that violate this rule. Most recorders will refuse to write a CD with this violation.

This part makes me wonder. NIN - broken EP has about 80 silence-tracks (between the regular ones and the two hidden tracks on 98 and 99), each 3 seconds long and it played on every player I tried it without any flaws. Do the four seconds include the pre-track-gap?

k.eight.a

Jun 10 2006, 05:34

I have forgotten to mention that in fact the CUE sheet should be without errors because EAC and Burrrn loaded it right, the problem is when I try to burn it. It reports this:

EAC: IPB Image

...and during writing lead-in: IPB Image

Burrrn:

Full LOG:

CODE

Finished processing file #1.
Finished processing file #2.
Finished processing file #3.
Finished processing file #4.
Finished processing file #5.
Finished processing file #6.
Finished processing file #7.
Finished processing file #8.
Finished processing file #9.
Finished processing file #10.
Finished processing file #11.
Finished processing file #12.
Finished processing file #13.
Finished processing file #14.
Finished processing file #15.
Finished processing file #16.
Finished processing file #17.
Finished processing file #18.
Finished processing file #19.
Finished processing file #20.
Finished processing file #21.
Finished processing file #22.
Finished processing file #23.
Finished processing file #24.
Finished processing file #25.
Finished processing file #26.
Finished processing file #27.
Finished processing file #28.
Finished processing file #29.
Finished processing file #30.
Finished processing file #31.
Finished processing file #32.
Finished processing file #33.
WARNING: Track 13: Length is shorter than 4 seconds.
WARNING: Track 14: Length is shorter than 4 seconds.
WARNING: Track 15: Length is shorter than 4 seconds.
WARNING: Track 16: Length is shorter than 4 seconds.
WARNING: Track 17: Length is shorter than 4 seconds.
WARNING: Track 18: Length is shorter than 4 seconds.
WARNING: Track 19: Length is shorter than 4 seconds.
WARNING: Track 20: Length is shorter than 4 seconds.
ERROR: The toc check function detected at least one warning.
ERROR: If you record this toc the resulting CD might be unusable
ERROR: or the recording process might abort with error.
ERROR: Use option --force to ignore the warnings.
ERROR: Toc file "C:\Program Files\Burrrn\burrrn.toc" is inconsistent.

Egor

Jun 10 2006, 06:08

QUOTE(k.eight.a @ Jun 10 2006, 18:19)

2)

CODE

FILE "06 - Corrupted.wav" WAVE
    INDEX 01 00:00:00
  TRACK 27 AUDIO
    TITLE "As It Is"
    PERFORMER "Sepultura"
    ISRC DEA450301880
    FLAGS DCP
    INDEX 00 02:32:64

...should be correct, it was generated by EAC via Action > Create CUE sheet > Current gap settings. The only change is the track numbers!

The part of cuesheet I quoted is incorrect: index numbers should increment. "Index 00", then "index 01", see? And "index" statement should stand after "track", not before.

k.eight.a

Jun 10 2006, 06:38

Well, it seems, that you don't see that the 27th track "As It Is" has a pregap that is at the end of the previous track "Corrupted". I don't see anything wrong and as I've written above the CUE sheet was loaded correctly by EAC and Burrrn!

I must be something missing...

QUOTE(Egor @ Jun 10 2006, 13:08)

The part of cuesheet I quoted is incorrect: index numbers should increment. "Index 00", then "index 01", see? And "index" statement should stand after "track", not before.

Egor

Jun 10 2006, 08:02

QUOTE(k.eight.a @ Jun 10 2006, 19:38)

Well, it seems, that you don't see that the 27th track "As It Is" has a pregap that is at the end of the previous track "Corrupted". I don't see anything wrong and as I've written above the CUE sheet was loaded correctly by EAC and Burrrn!

I must be something missing...

Hmm, this seems to be some kind of "non-compliant" cuesheet, he-he. Actually, I'm not aware of the conventions it was created with, so I cannot verify it's correctness

.

"Official" cuesheet standard (that was implemented in CDRWIN program AND is supported by other vendors) implies nested usage:
- file or files within a cuesheet
- track or tracks within a file
- index or indexes within a track.

CODE

FILE
¦
¦--TRACK
¦  ¦
¦  ¦--INDEX
¦  ¦
¦  ¦--INDEX
¦  ¦
¦  L--INDEX
L--TRACK
   ¦
   ¦--INDEX
   ¦
   L--INDEX
FILE
¦
L--TRACK
   ¦
   L--INDEX

Supacon

Jun 10 2006, 10:29

I don't really get the point of this exercise. Why don't you just load the files into foobar and burn with the CD Burning component? It'll do your CD text, if things are labelled correctly, and be as easy as pie, really. I love that piece of software!

k.eight.a

Jun 11 2006, 16:08

The point is very simple. I just want to burn that CD like this CUE sheet is.

Foobar2000 is a too difficult to set-up the way I would like to have it, so I'm not using it.
I want also to handle the sub-channels, gaps and stuff like this, so I don' thing it is all possible the way you suggest me as you've written: "easy as pie"...

QUOTE(Supacon @ Jun 10 2006, 17:29)

I don't really get the point of this exercise. Why don't you just load the files into foobar and burn with the CD Burning component? It'll do your CD text, if things are labelled correctly, and be as easy as pie, really. I love that piece of software!

Supacon

Jun 12 2006, 16:25

Hmm... okay. I'm not really sure what's so special about it though. Aren't all the gaps 0? Perhaps you could enlighten me. I must be missing something.

There are ISRC numbers, and DCP flags but I don't know what they are for. And what subchannels are you talking about? Do you mean CD-Text?

I'd just like to understand where you are coming from. Thanks in advance for any info.

k.eight.a

Jun 12 2006, 17:30

Nothing special, I'm just anal, that's all!

FYI: Tracks 26 & 27 have a pregap that is at the end of the previous track. The last track (#33) has a 2 seconds pregap in the CUE sheet.

QUOTE(Supacon @ Jun 12 2006, 23:25)

Hmm... okay. I'm not really sure what's so special about it though. Aren't all the gaps 0? Perhaps you could enlighten me. I must be missing something.

Everything you've mentioned, sub-channels are to my knowledge stored in the CUE sheet and that's the ISRCs, Flags and CD-Text. I don't know what they are for, I just want to have everything from the original CD, that all.

QUOTE(Supacon @ Jun 12 2006, 23:25)

There are ISRC numbers, and DCP flags but I don't know what they are for. And what subchannels are you talking about? Do you mean CD-Text?

Czech Republic, it is a small country in Central Europe...

...and yesterday we've beaten down the American soccer team at Football World Cup 2006!

QUOTE(Supacon @ Jun 12 2006, 23:25)

I'd just like to understand where you are coming from. Thanks in advance for any info.

FYI: There is a poll "Where do you come from?" and I'm coming from Nymburk.

Supacon

Jun 14 2006, 18:30

Haha... I'm not sure if you understood what I meant by "Where you are coming from"

I just meant that I would like to understand your point of view, I wasn't asking where you actually live, but thanks anyway!

xmixahlx

Jun 15 2006, 12:16

dude... all the INDEX 01 markers are 00:00:00 for the first 20 tracks (one source file)

they should be scaling per the previous song's time length.

for 3 minute songs:

00:00:00
03:00:00
06:00:00
etc

later

k.eight.a

Jul 2 2006, 18:40

I have to tell you, that I was finally able to burn that CUE sheet...

I just replaced 1 second silent "intermezzo" tracks by 4 second long silent "intermezzo" tracks and voila...
...the audio CD-R appeared!

I just don't understand why my burner didn't added CD-text that is supported by my drive and that was enabled in burning options...

QUOTE(Supacon @ Jun 15 2006, 02:30)

Haha... I'm not sure if you understood what I meant by "Where you are coming from"

I just meant that I would like to understand your point of view, I wasn't asking where you actually live, but thanks anyway!

I'm sorry, that was my misunderstanding...

QUOTE(xmixahlx @ Jun 15 2006, 20:16)

dude... all the INDEX 01 markers are 00:00:00 for the first 20 tracks (one source file)

they should be scaling per the previous song's time length.

You should look better at my CUE sheet!

Anyway, what do you think those commands in my CUE file mean: ...

CODE

FILE "01 - Refuse, Resist.wav" WAVE
FILE "02 - Territory.wav" WAVE
FILE "03 - Slave New World.wav" WAVE
...

...and so on...?