Hi to all, im new in ogg world, and i see a lot of encode programs like oggdropXPd, oggdrop.
I really need to know wich of this programs are the best.
And wich is the diference of oggencgt2 and oggenc, is oggencgt2 the best of this?

Thanks
SeB

oggdrop = standard Vorbis encoder with graphical interface
oggdropXP = standard Vorbis encoder with improved graphical interface
oggenc = standard console Vorbis encoder
oggencgt = tuned console Vorbis encoder but based on older Vorbis version

There seem to be differences in opinion whether oggencgt2 or oggenc is better.

Although the GUI is improved, it also has quite a few more feature additions as well.. so the differences go beyond simply being superficial. You probably meant that though, but it wasn't quite clear.



I think a lot of this has to do with the bitrate being used also. I don't think I've really seen anyone claim that oggenc is better than oggencgt2 at high bitrates. I could be wrong though...

Ok, but i dont know which of this enconders (oggenc / oggencgt2) is used in oggdrop / oggdropXP. how can i know it?
And, how can i use a diferent encoder with oggdrop or anyone.

At least, what program do you use to encode ogg files?, what is the best???,
Thanks you very much...

Ps: i need this for encode my collections of Music, i try to mp3 but i need probe in ogg at 192k aprox. (High bitrate)

SeB

oggdrop and oggdropXP are based on the Vorbis 1.0 reference encoder, which is the same one oggenc uses.

You can't use a different encoder with oggdrop because oggdrop *is* an encoder.

oggdropXP just uses the normal oggenc, not oggencgt2. I don't think you can change the encoder used with oggdropXP either, because it's not a frontend to the commandline, it links directly to the encoding library itself.



Is this because of quality reasons, or something else? Have you tried --alt-preset standard with LAME (~200kbps). It delivers pretty high quality output for MP3. Vorbis at 192kbps may or may not be better, depending on the samples. If you truly need higher quality than this though, you might want to try looking at a different format like MPC or AAC (PsyTEL). Vorbis isn't tuned much for high bitrates right now, especially compared to those other 2.

OGG on 192 kbps is fine, but just give a try to 128 kbps... maybe you would be surprised, and much... and definitely not in a bad way :-) It depends on music you want to archive: rock/metal music sounds great at 128 kbps; jazz, acoustic pieces or classic music is better at 192 kbps - in this case you should try also MPC just to compare... use --xtreme setting :-)

actually you should find that classical music encodes better than rock/metal at lower bitrates. rock/metal will generally require a higher bitrate to sound transparent.

Classical music display one of the most significant (and unpleasant according to some people) characteristic of vorbis at low (and medium bitrate) : noise.
Classical recordings provide more dynamic, and more quiet passage than rock. At these frequent passage, the level of noise is too high, and is clearly audible. It's difficult to speak about 'transparent sound' with vorbis at these bitrates. According to my taste, I can listen a metallica encoding at -q1, but it's more difficult for me to bear a Beethoven sonata or a Vivaldi concerto at the same quality or bitrate. I prefer mp3pro around 64 kb/s (in VBR) than vorbis with 'classical'.

I don't understand...

You recommend OGG at 128... and then proceed on to recommend MPC -xtreme???

If you find OGG@128 satisfying, you should go for MPC -standard and be happy.

And... are you using bitrate controlled OGG??? I believe it's common agreement that using -q switch leads to a lot better results...

Just my .02 euros...

BTW, why isn' t there a sticky thread with the latest ogg settings and encoder compiles?

And something else, which is the latest version of oggenc?

oggenc v1, compiles by john33 are @ http://www.inf.ufpr.br/~rja00/ogg.html (packed with vorbisgain as well).

edit: @budgie - i do wonder what were the results from the test johnV setup for you? (especially for you i may add), that was in http://www.hydrogenaudio.org/forums/index....=4605&st=75&hl= btw.

All compiles are the same version, Ogg Vorbis 1.0 encoder.

There are no special switches needed either.