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bhoar
TrueAudio - for large logs like that, please use "codebox" instead of "code". smile.gif

-brendan
gaillard
I think you need to try those drives with another pc that hasn't had any layers or such installed.
TrueAudio
QUOTE(gaillard @ Oct 19 2006, 16:26) *

I think you need to try those drives with another pc that hasn't had any layers or such installed.


Daemon Tools has only been reported to interfere with Force Unit Access, noone has said anything about it interfering with the ability of a drive to pass C2 information to a CD ripping app. What your suggesting implies that some part of Daemon Tools was not uninstalled sufficiently. I had previously stated that I used the known working fix for removing the SPT layer that Daemon Tools adds that was posted by other members here; namely "sptdinst_x86.exe remove", which uninstalls what Daemon Tools leaves behind. In addition to that, I run a registry cleaner, to remove any traces of the program.

Since the Spoon has not yet commented on these new tests, I will hold off on anything further until he can confirm that there is nothing (or hopefully find a problem and fix it) wihin his (Alpha stage) software that is the culprit here.

If there was a "layer" or some type of filter left behind somehow or another, then try to explain why my internal PX-716SA extracts flawlessly USING C2, if the problem is somehow specific to preventing C2 from working with Plextor drives. Remember the internal drive is virtually identical chipset and mechanically wise to the external PX-716UF (my internal one and the current ext drive are both TLA#0304).

Also the tracks that were extracted successfully with the external drive play back fine, with no clicks or pops or anything, not to mention the CRC's match the internal one using C2. That being said, I should be able to use the externals with C2. By the way, those error logs with the UF drives, were generated almost instantly. The drive started reading the disc, and then BAM, all the songs errored out within about 2 seconds. This leads me to believe that dBpowerAMP is not recognizing that the ext UF drive is capable of C2, and misreading/failing to communicate with whatever part of the drive is supposed to query back the response that the software is calling for the drive to perform.

It doesn't matter who or what is wrong here, all that matters is whatever it is that is wrong, can be corrected. If in fact it is on my end, somehow, and I find out that it is, I won't hesitate to reply back here with the cause of it all, so as to help anyone else who might run into the same issue, and save you, and everyone else, time.
rudefyet
Seems all USB drives will error out if C2 is enabled in R12, not just Plextors

I've found no way around this yet, I've tested 3 drives w/ 3 different enclosures.

I posted about this problem as early as alpha 5, but was pretty much told it was my enclosure...

Sicne then I bought 2 more, for my other 2 drives

Edit: I'd like to add, that what I'm getting at is Nero, EAC, Easy CD-DA can all use C2 error pointers on my USB drives, but R12 can't. Someone needs to figure out what R12 is doing wrong, that all the other rippers are doing right.
bhoar
Hmm. In my experience, SPTI calls via USB are much more limited in terms of what size/type of transactions are allowed when talking to drives in general. In addition, some chipsets might be more limited than others when talking to ATAPI devices like optical drives.

-brendan
gaillard
is it the usb chipset/driver/interface that has restricting features? If so, perhaps a professional quality one made for high end applications like server performance
bhoar
QUOTE(gaillard @ Oct 19 2006, 20:42) *
is it the usb chipset/driver/interface that has restricting features? If so, perhaps a professional quality one made for high end applications like server performance


I think there are two issues.

1. The USB spec appears to restrict the size and types of CDB transactions via USB to ATA/ATAPI devices, at least it does so substantially more than via PATA, SATA, SCSI and Firewire.

2. Some chipsets may have more problems with translating esoteric CDB transactions.

e.g. I still haven't figured out a way to get a drive serial number over USB from an ATA device and I appear not to be alone in this issue. This is normally a pretty straightforward transaction.

-brendan
greynol
QUOTE(greynol @ Oct 19 2006, 02:30) *
Unfortunately I still can't use C2 with my Sony CDU5221. sad.gif

QUOTE(rudefyet @ Oct 19 2006, 17:19) *
Seems all USB drives will error out if C2 is enabled in R12, not just Plextors

The CDU5221 isn't a USB drive, but perhaps it's a related problem?
TrueAudio
QUOTE(bhoar @ Oct 19 2006, 18:43) *

QUOTE(gaillard @ Oct 19 2006, 20:42) *
is it the usb chipset/driver/interface that has restricting features? If so, perhaps a professional quality one made for high end applications like server performance


I think there are two issues.

1. The USB spec appears to restrict the size and types of CDB transactions via USB to ATA/ATAPI devices, at least it does so substantially more than via PATA, SATA, SCSI and Firewire.

2. Some chipsets may have more problems with translating esoteric CDB transactions.

e.g. I still haven't figured out a way to get a drive serial number over USB from an ATA device and I appear not to be alone in this issue. This is normally a pretty straightforward transaction.

-brendan


ATTN: Spoon
Problem solved (sufficiently for me anyways)
Solution? ---> Don't use USB 2.0, I switched to the 1394 (Firewire) Interface on the back of the PX-716UF.
C2 works perfectly in secure mode now using Firewire, thats all that matters to me, but some will undoubtedly wish it to work through USB 2.0 also. This is indeed an issue with the command set relating to C2. dBpowerAMP ripped very fast and produced perfect results, I'm listening to the rip now, flawless, sounds great, you deserve many thanks for producing something that will challenge (at the very least) EAC and Plextools.


External PX-716UF WITH C2 Secure Mode, FIREWIRE (1394):

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dBpowerAMP Release 12 Alpha 7 Digital Audio Extraction Log from Thursday, October 19, 2006 7:47 PM

Drive & Settings
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Ripping with drive 'I: [PLEXTOR - DVDR PX-716A ]', Drive offset: 30, Overread Lead-in/out: Yes
AccurateRip: Active, Using C2: Yes, Cache: None, FUA Cache Invalidate: Yes
Pass 1 Drive Speed: Max, Pass 2 Drive Speed: Max
Ultra:: Vary Drive Speed: No, Min Passes: 1, Max Passes: 6, Finish After Clean Passes: 1
Bad Sector Re-rip:: Drive Speed: Max, Maximum Re-reads: 700

Encoder: Wave -compression="PCM"

Extraction Log
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Track 1: Ripped LBA 0 to 24260 (5:23) in 0:16. Filename: K:\DBPWRAMP_EXT_AUDIO\Fiona Apple\Fiona Apple - When the Pawn Hits the Conflicts He Thinks Like a King... - 01 - On the Bound.wav
AccurateRip: Accurate (confidence 24) [Pass 1]
CRC32: 932173EE

Track 2: Ripped LBA 24260 to 40831 (3:40) in 0:10. Filename: K:\DBPWRAMP_EXT_AUDIO\Fiona Apple\Fiona Apple - When the Pawn Hits the Conflicts He Thinks Like a King... - 02 - To Your Love.wav
AccurateRip: Accurate (confidence 23) [Pass 1]
CRC32: 157B81BF

Track 3: Ripped LBA 40831 to 56667 (3:31) in 0:09. Filename: K:\DBPWRAMP_EXT_AUDIO\Fiona Apple\Fiona Apple - When the Pawn Hits the Conflicts He Thinks Like a King... - 03 - Limp.wav
AccurateRip: Accurate (confidence 25) [Pass 1]
CRC32: 454C730E

Track 4: Ripped LBA 56667 to 71878 (3:22) in 0:08. Filename: K:\DBPWRAMP_EXT_AUDIO\Fiona Apple\Fiona Apple - When the Pawn Hits the Conflicts He Thinks Like a King... - 04 - Love Ridden.wav
AccurateRip: Accurate (confidence 25) [Pass 1]
CRC32: 18E02F5A

Track 5: Ripped LBA 71878 to 88422 (3:40) in 0:08. Filename: K:\DBPWRAMP_EXT_AUDIO\Fiona Apple\Fiona Apple - When the Pawn Hits the Conflicts He Thinks Like a King... - 05 - Paper Bag.wav
AccurateRip: Accurate (confidence 25) [Pass 1]
CRC32: E8D29123

Track 6: Ripped LBA 88422 to 110778 (4:58) in 0:10. Filename: K:\DBPWRAMP_EXT_AUDIO\Fiona Apple\Fiona Apple - When the Pawn Hits the Conflicts He Thinks Like a King... - 06 - A Mistake.wav
AccurateRip: Accurate (confidence 25) [Pass 1]
CRC32: 986722EF

Track 7: Ripped LBA 110778 to 131793 (4:40) in 0:09. Filename: K:\DBPWRAMP_EXT_AUDIO\Fiona Apple\Fiona Apple - When the Pawn Hits the Conflicts He Thinks Like a King... - 07 - Fast as You Can.wav
AccurateRip: Accurate (confidence 25) [Pass 1]
CRC32: 178FEE51

Track 8: Ripped LBA 131793 to 151197 (4:18) in 0:08. Filename: K:\DBPWRAMP_EXT_AUDIO\Fiona Apple\Fiona Apple - When the Pawn Hits the Conflicts He Thinks Like a King... - 08 - The Way Things Are.wav
AccurateRip: Accurate (confidence 25) [Pass 1]
CRC32: AD10091D

Track 9: Ripped LBA 151197 to 169999 (4:10) in 0:07. Filename: K:\DBPWRAMP_EXT_AUDIO\Fiona Apple\Fiona Apple - When the Pawn Hits the Conflicts He Thinks Like a King... - 09 - Get Gone.wav
AccurateRip: Accurate (confidence 24) [Pass 1]
CRC32: 3080A536

Track 10: Ripped LBA 169999 to 192160 (4:55) in 0:08. Filename: K:\DBPWRAMP_EXT_AUDIO\Fiona Apple\Fiona Apple - When the Pawn Hits the Conflicts He Thinks Like a King... - 10 - I Know.wav
AccurateRip: Accurate (confidence 21) [Pass 1]
CRC32: F8A6AA66

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10 Tracks Ripped Accurately


eb
QUOTE(spoon @ Oct 19 2006, 08:13) *

eb:

you can add the freedb id (or cddb id) to the id tag.


I think you may have misunderstood my request. I want the ripper to put the ripped files in a directory named, e.g., 950abe0c, so that the next process in the pipeline can find it. I could do this if you supported [discid] in the Set File Naming option. The ripper is already computing the discid, I just want it to be available for naming.
David Lytham
QUOTE(gaillard @ Oct 19 2006, 20:17) *

I would buy a good c2 capable drive for 50 bucks and use that. The gain in eliminating consistent errors is worth it.


Which drive would you suggest Gaillard?

Is the Plextor PX-760A any good at all for use with R12?
spoon
I will look into c2 over usb, and putting freedb id in the naming section.
gaillard
QUOTE(David Lytham @ Oct 20 2006, 05:12) *

QUOTE(gaillard @ Oct 19 2006, 20:17) *

I would buy a good c2 capable drive for 50 bucks and use that. The gain in eliminating consistent errors is worth it.


Which drive would you suggest Gaillard?

Is the Plextor PX-760A any good at all for use with R12?


I use the 708a, they are relatively cheap and support hidden audio tracks as well as in and out reading lead. c2 reporting is top notch.
David Lytham
The only one I could find is this one here http://www.saitekinc.com/product_info.php?...69b14643f5a3f21 - is that the same one that you use?

Hopefully they'll ship to the UK.
Melomane
@spoon

by default track number is track number/ total tracks .
when check "track number without track cont " i espected number track in track tag AND total track in total track tag, but nothing is write in total track.
same for disc number , total discs
it is intended?

tanks for write album art as foder.jpg
greynol
QUOTE(David Lytham @ Oct 20 2006, 13:47) *

The only one I could find is this one here http://www.saitekinc.com/product_info.php?...69b14643f5a3f21 - is that the same one that you use?

Hopefully they'll ship to the UK.

A friend of mine is having trouble with the cache and FUA settings and his PX-760A, but this might not have anything to do with spoon's program.

Otherwise the 760 is an upgraded version of their 755 which came after the 716, 712 and lastly the 708.

They are all based on a line of chips from Sanyo. If you find a 760 for around the same price as a 708, I'd go for it.
David Lytham
QUOTE(greynol @ Oct 20 2006, 22:21) *

QUOTE(David Lytham @ Oct 20 2006, 13:47) *

The only one I could find is this one here http://www.saitekinc.com/product_info.php?...69b14643f5a3f21 - is that the same one that you use?

Hopefully they'll ship to the UK.

A friend of mine is having trouble with the cache and FUA settings and his PX-760A, but this might not have anything to do with spoon's program.

Otherwise the 760 is an upgraded version of their 755 which came after the 716, 712 and lastly the 708.

They are all based on a line of chips from Sanyo. If you find a 760 for around the same price as a 708, I'd go for it.


So basically the 760 uses the same line of chips as the 708? I think I'll go for that if it's the case, I can pick one up tomorrow then and get ripping biggrin.gif
greynol
QUOTE(David Lytham @ Oct 20 2006, 15:01) *
So basically the 760 uses the same line of chips as the 708? I think I'll go for that if it's the case, I can pick one up tomorrow then and get ripping biggrin.gif

Get it from a place that will take it back if you aren't satisfied. I hear that Plextor has really good support if the drive ever fails within the warranty period. I really wanted a 755 back when I was in the market for a new drive, but it wasn't available in the US, so I went with the 716. I have been very satisfied with my decision.
gaillard
what he said if price is no concern... =)
spoon
>"track number without track cont " i espected number track in track tag AND total track in total track tag,

Not how that one works, CD Ripper will write a

xx/xx

Tag if it is the standard for the format. It will also write seperate track number and track count it that is standard. What tag are you using? and what format?
David Lytham
I have the drive now.

Should I use the "Clear Read Cache with FUA" option?
Melomane
QUOTE(spoon @ Oct 21 2006, 12:39) *

>"track number without track cont " i espected number track in track tag AND total track in total track tag,

Not how that one works, CD Ripper will write a

xx/xx

Tag if it is the standard for the format. It will also write seperate track number and track count it that is standard. What tag are you using? and what format?

ok i see: with ogg vorbis i have xx/xx because it is standard for the format.
with lame i have separate track number total.

i have a request: possibility to have allways separate track /total track and disc/total disc ( i know, it isn't standard but usefull...)

regards, melomane
spoon
>Should I use the "Clear Read Cache with FUA" option?

Try the test, that is the sure way (test first FUA, then test drive cache detection, it should detect 0 kb if fua is working, there are 2 effective tests to validate fua).
TrueAudio
ATTN: Spoon

Unusual discrepancy/difference betwwen C2 or other error correction with dBpowerAMP R12 A7 vs. Plextools

NOTE: THis is with an *intentionally damaged CD* scratched with a metal dishwasher scrubber, and then severely scratched with running scissors in 4 places across the disc from center to outside edge. (This was done to test for C2 capability initially, but I decided to try to rip the disc also.)

NOTE: also --the drive info I maually edited to exactly identify the type of drive as well as the firmware revision of the drive, no other daya was changed at all. I did this because your program does not differentiate between an external PX-716UF vs. an Internal IDE PX-716SA.

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dBpowerAMP Release 12 Alpha 7 Digital Audio Extraction Log from Friday, October 20, 2006 8:24 PM

Drive & Settings
----------------

Ripping with drive 'I: [PLEXTOR - DVDR PX-716UF 1.10 ]', Drive offset: 30, Overread Lead-in/out: Yes
AccurateRip: Active, Using C2: Yes, Cache: None, FUA Cache Invalidate: Yes
Pass 1 Drive Speed: Max, Pass 2 Drive Speed: Max
Ultra:: Vary Drive Speed: No, Min Passes: 1, Max Passes: 6, Finish After Clean Passes: 1
Bad Sector Re-rip:: Drive Speed: Max, Maximum Re-reads: 700

Encoder: Wave -compression="PCM"

Extraction Log
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Track 1: Ripped LBA 0 to 5772 (1:16) in 0:11. Filename: K:\DBPWRAMP_EXT_AUDIO\Bass Quake\Bass Quake - Bass After Shock - 01 - Bass Quake.wav
Secure [Pass 1, Ultra 1 to 1]
CRC32: 78AC349D

Track 2: Ripped LBA 5772 to 27515 (4:49) in 0:37. Filename: K:\DBPWRAMP_EXT_AUDIO\Bass Quake\Bass Quake - Bass After Shock - 02 - Quad's Up.wav
Secure [Pass 1, Ultra 1 to 1]
CRC32: DAFD681B

Track 3: Ripped LBA 27515 to 44732 (3:49) in 0:26. Filename: K:\DBPWRAMP_EXT_AUDIO\Bass Quake\Bass Quake - Bass After Shock - 03 - 30 Below.wav
Secure [Pass 1, Ultra 1 to 1]
CRC32: 83207619

Track 4: Ripped LBA 44732 to 60782 (3:34) in 0:23. Filename: K:\DBPWRAMP_EXT_AUDIO\Bass Quake\Bass Quake - Bass After Shock - 04 - Bass 2 Bass.wav
Secure [Pass 1, Ultra 1 to 1]
CRC32: 4C7EE209

Track 5: Ripped LBA 60782 to 79090 (4:04) in 0:30. Filename: K:\DBPWRAMP_EXT_AUDIO\Bass Quake\Bass Quake - Bass After Shock - 05 - Bass Supply.wav
Secure (Warning) [Pass 1, Ultra 1 to 1, Re-Rip 5 Frames]
CRC32: C10F3211
Re-rip Frame: 69570 (00:01:57.173) matched 10 / 11 (c2 dropped 29)
Re-rip Frame: 70029 (00:02:03.293) matched 10 / 12 (c2 dropped 26)
Re-rip Frame: 70680 (00:02:11.973) matched 10 / 11 (c2 dropped 1)
Re-rip Frame: 70681 (00:02:11.986) matched 10 / 11 (c2 dropped 17)
Re-rip Frame: 70706 (00:02:12.320) matched 10 / 11 (c2 dropped 2)

Track 6: Ripped LBA 79090 to 100995 (4:52) in 0:33. Filename: K:\DBPWRAMP_EXT_AUDIO\Bass Quake\Bass Quake - Bass After Shock - 06 - Richter Scales.wav
Secure (Warning) [Pass 1, Ultra 1 to 1, Re-Rip 4 Frames]
CRC32: 65630459
Re-rip Frame: 99107 (00:04:26.893) matched 10 / 12 (c2 dropped 7)
Re-rip Frame: 99108 (00:04:26.906) matched 10 / 12 (c2 dropped 23)
Re-rip Frame: 99121 (00:04:27.080) matched 10 / 11 (c2 dropped 23)
Re-rip Frame: 99122 (00:04:27.093) matched 10 / 11 (c2 dropped 26)

Track 7: Ripped LBA 100995 to 117700 (3:42) in 0:20. Filename: K:\DBPWRAMP_EXT_AUDIO\Bass Quake\Bass Quake - Bass After Shock - 07 - Boom Boom Boom.wav
Secure [Pass 1, Ultra 1 to 1]
CRC32: A99E7D0B

Track 8: Ripped LBA 117700 to 139525 (4:51) in 0:25. Filename: K:\DBPWRAMP_EXT_AUDIO\Bass Quake\Bass Quake - Bass After Shock - 08 - Underground Bass.wav
Secure [Pass 1, Ultra 1 to 1]
CRC32: 37285062

Track 9: Ripped LBA 139525 to 155282 (3:30) in 2:26. Filename: K:\DBPWRAMP_EXT_AUDIO\Bass Quake\Bass Quake - Bass After Shock - 09 - Fool 4 da Bass.wav
Insecure [Pass 1, Ultra 1 to 2, Re-Rip 52 Frames]
CRC32: 00322FB1
Re-rip Frame: 141780 (00:00:30.066) matched 10 / 12 (c2 dropped 165)
Re-rip Frame: 141796 (00:00:30.280) matched 10 / 11
Re-rip Frame: 141811 (00:00:30.480) matched 10 / 13 (c2 dropped 38)
Re-rip Frame: 141812 (00:00:30.493) matched 10 / 13 (c2 dropped 131)
Re-rip Frame: 142471 (00:00:39.280) matched 10 / 11 (c2 dropped 16)
Re-rip Frame: 143588 (00:00:54.173) matched 10 / 11 (c2 dropped 16)
Re-rip Frame: 143604 (00:00:54.386) matched 10 / 11 (c2 dropped 27)
Re-rip Frame: 143620 (00:00:54.600) matched 10 / 12 (c2 dropped 263)
Re-rip Frame: 143651 (00:00:55.013) matched 10 / 12 (c2 dropped 54)
Re-rip Frame: 144392 (00:01:04.893) matched 10 / 12 (c2 dropped 2)
Re-rip Frame: 144408 (00:01:05.106) matched 10 / 13 (c2 dropped 16)
Re-rip Frame: 144424 (00:01:05.320) matched 10 / 13 (c2 dropped 8)
Re-rip Frame: 144440 (00:01:05.533) matched 10 / 12 (c2 dropped 35)
Re-rip Frame: 144455 (00:01:05.733) matched 10 / 12 (c2 dropped 4)
Re-rip Frame: 144456 (00:01:05.746) matched 10 / 12 (c2 dropped 28)
Re-rip Frame: 144471 (00:01:05.946) matched 10 / 12 (c2 dropped 103)
Re-rip Frame: 144472 (00:01:05.960) matched 10 / 14 (c2 dropped 50)
Re-rip Frame: 144487 (00:01:06.160) matched 10 / 13 (c2 dropped 62)
Re-rip Frame: 144503 (00:01:06.373) matched 10 / 13 (c2 dropped 11)
Re-rip Frame: 144519 (00:01:06.586) matched 10 / 13 (c2 dropped 44)
Re-rip Frame: 144534 (00:01:06.786) matched 10 / 12
Re-rip Frame: 144535 (00:01:06.800) matched 10 / 11
Re-rip Frame: 144550 (00:01:07.000) matched 10 / 11
Re-rip Frame: 144551 (00:01:07.013) matched 10 / 12 (c2 dropped 1)
Re-rip Frame: 144629 (00:01:08.053) matched 10 / 11
Re-rip Frame: 144630 (00:01:08.066) matched 10 / 11 (c2 dropped 1)
Re-rip Frame: 145435 (00:01:18.800) matched 10 / 12 (c2 dropped 2)
Re-rip Frame: 145436 (00:01:18.813) matched 10 / 12 (c2 dropped 14)
Re-rip Frame: 145451 (00:01:19.013) matched 10 / 12 (c2 dropped 19)
Re-rip Frame: 145452 (00:01:19.026) matched 10 / 11 (c2 dropped 24)
Re-rip Frame: 145467 (00:01:19.226) matched 10 / 11
Re-rip Frame: 145515 (00:01:19.866) matched 10 / 11 (c2 dropped 2)
Re-rip Frame: 145879 (00:01:24.720) matched 10 / 11 (c2 dropped 4)
Re-rip Frame: 145910 (00:01:25.133) matched 10 / 13 (c2 dropped 45)
Re-rip Frame: 145911 (00:01:25.146) matched 10 / 13 (c2 dropped 280)
Re-rip Frame: 145926 (00:01:25.346) matched 10 / 11
Re-rip Frame: 145927 (00:01:25.360) matched 10 / 11 (c2 dropped 3)
Re-rip Frame: 145942 (00:01:25.560). Insecure (c2 dropped 691) [c2 best match]
Re-rip Frame: 145958 (00:01:25.773) matched 10 / 12 (c2 dropped 25)
Re-rip Frame: 145974 (00:01:25.986) matched 10 / 13 (c2 dropped 111)
Re-rip Frame: 145990 (00:01:26.200) matched 10 / 13 (c2 dropped 267)
Re-rip Frame: 146005 (00:01:26.400) matched 10 / 13 (c2 dropped 60)
Re-rip Frame: 146006 (00:01:26.413) matched 10 / 13 (c2 dropped 252)
Re-rip Frame: 146021 (00:01:26.613) matched 10 / 12 (c2 dropped 4)
Re-rip Frame: 146022 (00:01:26.626) matched 10 / 12 (c2 dropped 15)
Re-rip Frame: 146037 (00:01:26.826) matched 10 / 11 (c2 dropped 1)
Re-rip Frame: 146053 (00:01:27.040) matched 10 / 13 (c2 dropped 76)
Re-rip Frame: 146069 (00:01:27.253) matched 10 / 12 (c2 dropped 22)
Re-rip Frame: 146085 (00:01:27.466) matched 10 / 13 (c2 dropped 191)
Re-rip Frame: 148202 (00:01:55.693) matched 10 / 11
Re-rip Frame: 148203 (00:01:55.706) matched 10 / 11
Re-rip Frame: 152547 (00:02:53.626) matched 10 / 11

Track 10: Ripped LBA 155282 to 174697 (4:18) in 0:20. Filename: K:\DBPWRAMP_EXT_AUDIO\Bass Quake\Bass Quake - Bass After Shock - 10 - Sub Sonix.wav
Secure [Pass 1, Ultra 1 to 1]
CRC32: A949A424

Track 11: Ripped LBA 174697 to 192770 (4:00) in 0:18. Filename: K:\DBPWRAMP_EXT_AUDIO\Bass Quake\Bass Quake - Bass After Shock - 11 - Liquid Bass.wav
Secure [Pass 1, Ultra 1 to 1]
CRC32: 8DC2D683

Track 12: Ripped LBA 192770 to 198590 (1:17) in 0:05. Filename: K:\DBPWRAMP_EXT_AUDIO\Bass Quake\Bass Quake - Bass After Shock - 12 - Tremors.wav
Secure [Pass 1, Ultra 1 to 1]
CRC32: 846E1A57

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12 Tracks Ripped: 9 Secure, 2 Secure (Warning), 1 Inaccurate


Now note this --different drive entirely --my point will be made at the end of this whole thing:

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dBpowerAMP Release 12 Alpha 7 Digital Audio Extraction Log from Friday, October 20, 2006 8:38 PM

Drive & Settings
----------------

Ripping with drive 'H: [LITE-ON - DVDRW SHW-160H6S]', Drive offset: 6, Overread Lead-in/out: No
AccurateRip: Active, Using C2: Yes, Cache: 670 KB, FUA Cache Invalidate: Yes
Pass 1 Drive Speed: Max, Pass 2 Drive Speed: Max
Ultra:: Vary Drive Speed: No, Min Passes: 1, Max Passes: 6, Finish After Clean Passes: 1
Bad Sector Re-rip:: Drive Speed: Max, Maximum Re-reads: 700

Encoder: Wave -compression="PCM"

Extraction Log
--------------

Track 1: Ripped LBA 0 to 5772 (1:16) in 0:15. Filename: K:\DBPWRAMP_EXT_AUDIO\Bass Quake\Bass Quake - Bass After Shock - 01 - Bass Quake.wav
Secure [Pass 1, Ultra 1 to 1]
CRC32: 78AC349D

Track 2: Ripped LBA 5772 to 27515 (4:49) in 0:26. Filename: K:\DBPWRAMP_EXT_AUDIO\Bass Quake\Bass Quake - Bass After Shock - 02 - Quad's Up.wav
Secure [Pass 1, Ultra 1 to 1]
CRC32: DAFD681B

Track 3: Ripped LBA 27515 to 44732 (3:49) in 0:19. Filename: K:\DBPWRAMP_EXT_AUDIO\Bass Quake\Bass Quake - Bass After Shock - 03 - 30 Below.wav
Secure [Pass 1, Ultra 1 to 1]
CRC32: 83207619

Track 4: Ripped LBA 44732 to 60782 (3:34) in 0:16. Filename: K:\DBPWRAMP_EXT_AUDIO\Bass Quake\Bass Quake - Bass After Shock - 04 - Bass 2 Bass.wav
Secure [Pass 1, Ultra 1 to 1]
CRC32: 4C7EE209

Track 5: Ripped LBA 60782 to 79090 (4:04) in 0:17. Filename: K:\DBPWRAMP_EXT_AUDIO\Bass Quake\Bass Quake - Bass After Shock - 05 - Bass Supply.wav
Secure [Pass 1, Ultra 1 to 1]
CRC32: C10F3211

Track 6: Ripped LBA 79090 to 100995 (4:52) in 0:19. Filename: K:\DBPWRAMP_EXT_AUDIO\Bass Quake\Bass Quake - Bass After Shock - 06 - Richter Scales.wav
Secure [Pass 1, Ultra 1 to 1]
CRC32: 65630459

Track 7: Ripped LBA 100995 to 117700 (3:42) in 0:14. Filename: K:\DBPWRAMP_EXT_AUDIO\Bass Quake\Bass Quake - Bass After Shock - 07 - Boom Boom Boom.wav
Secure [Pass 1, Ultra 1 to 1]
CRC32: A99E7D0B

Track 8: Ripped LBA 117700 to 139525 (4:51) in 0:17. Filename: K:\DBPWRAMP_EXT_AUDIO\Bass Quake\Bass Quake - Bass After Shock - 08 - Underground Bass.wav
Secure [Pass 1, Ultra 1 to 1]
CRC32: 37285062

Track 9: Ripped LBA 139525 to 155282 (3:30) in 0:12. Filename: K:\DBPWRAMP_EXT_AUDIO\Bass Quake\Bass Quake - Bass After Shock - 09 - Fool 4 da Bass.wav
Secure [Pass 1, Ultra 1 to 1]
CRC32: 00322FB1

Track 10: Ripped LBA 155282 to 174697 (4:18) in 0:14. Filename: K:\DBPWRAMP_EXT_AUDIO\Bass Quake\Bass Quake - Bass After Shock - 10 - Sub Sonix.wav
Secure [Pass 1, Ultra 1 to 1]
CRC32: A949A424

Track 11: Ripped LBA 174697 to 192770 (4:00) in 0:13. Filename: K:\DBPWRAMP_EXT_AUDIO\Bass Quake\Bass Quake - Bass After Shock - 11 - Liquid Bass.wav
Secure [Pass 1, Ultra 1 to 1]
CRC32: 8DC2D683

Track 12: Ripped LBA 192770 to 198590 (1:17) in 0:04. Filename: K:\DBPWRAMP_EXT_AUDIO\Bass Quake\Bass Quake - Bass After Shock - 12 - Tremors.wav
Secure [Pass 1, Ultra 1 to 1]
CRC32: 846E1A57

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12 Tracks Ripped Securely


Btw, amazingly FUA works and is detected perfectly with this, non-Plextor drive.

Now, I know that this disc is not in the accuraterip database unfortunately, but when I ripped this disc with the PX-716UF listed at the top with Plextools, plextools reported NO ERRORS whatsoever --level 5 error correction was used in Plextools (the latest version 2.35). And not only this, but the rip in Plextools matched the rips exactly as per extracted with dBpowerAMP with my LITE-ON drive as confirmed by EAC V0.9 beta4 using the compare wav feature (there were no discrepancies here).

Yes different drives have different error correction and ability to read scratched discs; however, the fact that Plextools was able to perfectly rip the same disc that dBpowerAMP perfectly ripped with the LITE-ON, which resulted in massive errors when using that same Plextor drive with dBpowerAMP, suggests to me, that the Plextools software is still somehow optimizing the error correction/laser focus/reading capability with the Plextor drive, to a greater degree than dBpowerAMP is able to fully exploit the capabilities of that same drive.

I hope this info is useful to you to help perfect your program to make it 100% rock solid reliable in every possible situation. Finally --here is a log of the same disc attempting to extract with my internal drive. I may also try it with EAC later and post the log for you to look at, haven't had the chance yet.

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dBpowerAMP Release 12 Alpha 7 Digital Audio Extraction Log from Friday, October 20, 2006 11:23 PM

Drive & Settings
----------------

Ripping with drive 'G: [PLEXTOR - DVDR PX-716SA v1.09 ]', Drive offset: 30, Overread Lead-in/out: Yes
AccurateRip: Active, Using C2: Yes, Cache: None, FUA Cache Invalidate: Yes
Pass 1 Drive Speed: Max, Pass 2 Drive Speed: Max
Ultra:: Vary Drive Speed: No, Min Passes: 1, Max Passes: 6, Finish After Clean Passes: 1
Bad Sector Re-rip:: Drive Speed: Max, Maximum Re-reads: 700

Encoder: Wave -compression="PCM"

Extraction Log
--------------

Track 1: Ripped LBA 0 to 5772 (1:16) in 0:11. Filename: K:\DBPWRAMP_EXT_AUDIO\Bass Quake\Bass Quake - Bass After Shock - 01 - Bass Quake.wav
Secure (Warning) [Pass 1, Ultra 1 to 1, Re-Rip 1 Frames]
CRC32: 78AC349D
Re-rip Frame: 1425 (00:00:19.000) matched 10 / 11 (c2 dropped 4)

Track 2: Ripped LBA 5772 to 27515 (4:49) in 0:39. Filename: K:\DBPWRAMP_EXT_AUDIO\Bass Quake\Bass Quake - Bass After Shock - 02 - Quad's Up.wav
Secure (Warning) [Pass 1, Ultra 1 to 1, Re-Rip 2 Frames]
CRC32: DAFD681B
Re-rip Frame: 9624 (00:00:51.360) matched 10 / 11 (c2 dropped 8)
Re-rip Frame: 9701 (00:00:52.386) matched 10 / 11 (c2 dropped 11)

Track 3: Ripped LBA 27515 to 44732 (3:49) in 0:27. Filename: K:\DBPWRAMP_EXT_AUDIO\Bass Quake\Bass Quake - Bass After Shock - 03 - 30 Below.wav
Secure [Pass 1, Ultra 1 to 1]
CRC32: 83207619

Track 4: Ripped LBA 44732 to 60782 (3:34) in 0:23. Filename: K:\DBPWRAMP_EXT_AUDIO\Bass Quake\Bass Quake - Bass After Shock - 04 - Bass 2 Bass.wav
Secure [Pass 1, Ultra 1 to 1]
CRC32: 4C7EE209

Track 5: Ripped LBA 60782 to 79090 (4:04) in 0:27. Filename: K:\DBPWRAMP_EXT_AUDIO\Bass Quake\Bass Quake - Bass After Shock - 05 - Bass Supply.wav
Secure (Warning) [Pass 1, Ultra 1 to 1, Re-Rip 3 Frames]
CRC32: C10F3211
Re-rip Frame: 70553 (00:02:10.280) matched 10 / 11 (c2 dropped 7)
Re-rip Frame: 70680 (00:02:11.973) matched 10 / 11 (c2 dropped 3)
Re-rip Frame: 70681 (00:02:11.986) matched 10 / 11 (c2 dropped 13)

Track 6: Ripped LBA 79090 to 100995 (4:52) in 0:28. Filename: K:\DBPWRAMP_EXT_AUDIO\Bass Quake\Bass Quake - Bass After Shock - 06 - Richter Scales.wav
Secure [Pass 1, Ultra 1 to 1]
CRC32: 65630459

Track 7: Ripped LBA 100995 to 117700 (3:42) in 0:20. Filename: K:\DBPWRAMP_EXT_AUDIO\Bass Quake\Bass Quake - Bass After Shock - 07 - Boom Boom Boom.wav
Secure [Pass 1, Ultra 1 to 1]
CRC32: A99E7D0B

Track 8: Ripped LBA 117700 to 139525 (4:51) in 0:25. Filename: K:\DBPWRAMP_EXT_AUDIO\Bass Quake\Bass Quake - Bass After Shock - 08 - Underground Bass.wav
Secure [Pass 1, Ultra 1 to 1]
CRC32: 37285062

Track 9: Ripped LBA 139525 to 155282 (3:30) in 8:41. Filename: K:\DBPWRAMP_EXT_AUDIO\Bass Quake\Bass Quake - Bass After Shock - 09 - Fool 4 da Bass.wav
Insecure [Pass 1, Ultra 1 to 1, Re-Rip 75 Frames]
CRC32: FFE82135
Re-rip Frame: 141780 (00:00:30.066). Insecure (c2 dropped 700)
Re-rip Frame: 141796 (00:00:30.280) matched 10 / 11 (c2 dropped 39)
Re-rip Frame: 141811 (00:00:30.480) matched 10 / 12 (c2 dropped 469)
Re-rip Frame: 141812 (00:00:30.493). Insecure (c2 dropped 694) [c2 best match]
Re-rip Frame: 142361 (00:00:37.813) matched 10 / 11 (c2 dropped 36)
Re-rip Frame: 142377 (00:00:38.026) matched 10 / 11 (c2 dropped 261)
Re-rip Frame: 142392 (00:00:38.226) matched 10 / 12 (c2 dropped 122)
Re-rip Frame: 142393 (00:00:38.240) matched 10 / 12 (c2 dropped 416)
Re-rip Frame: 142408 (00:00:38.440) matched 10 / 12 (c2 dropped 193)
Re-rip Frame: 142424 (00:00:38.653). Insecure (c2 dropped 693) [c2 best match]
Re-rip Frame: 142439 (00:00:38.853) matched 10 / 12 (c2 dropped 46)
Re-rip Frame: 142440 (00:00:38.866) matched 10 / 12 (c2 dropped 160)
Re-rip Frame: 142455 (00:00:39.066) matched 10 / 12 (c2 dropped 279)
Re-rip Frame: 142471 (00:00:39.280). Insecure (c2 dropped 700)
Re-rip Frame: 142487 (00:00:39.493). Insecure (c2 dropped 700)
Re-rip Frame: 142502 (00:00:39.693) matched 10 / 12 (c2 dropped 340)
Re-rip Frame: 142503 (00:00:39.706) matched 10 / 12 (c2 dropped 611)
Re-rip Frame: 142518 (00:00:39.906). Insecure (c2 dropped 700)
Re-rip Frame: 142549 (00:00:40.320) matched 10 / 12 (c2 dropped 591)
Re-rip Frame: 142550 (00:00:40.333). Insecure (c2 dropped 700)
Re-rip Frame: 143179 (00:00:48.720) matched 10 / 11 (c2 dropped 8)
Re-rip Frame: 143194 (00:00:48.920) matched 10 / 11 (c2 dropped 11)
Re-rip Frame: 143210 (00:00:49.133) matched 10 / 11 (c2 dropped 12)
Re-rip Frame: 143572 (00:00:53.960) matched 10 / 12 (c2 dropped 1)
Re-rip Frame: 143573 (00:00:53.973) matched 10 / 12 (c2 dropped 9)
Re-rip Frame: 143588 (00:00:54.173) matched 10 / 12 (c2 dropped 68)
Re-rip Frame: 143604 (00:00:54.386) matched 10 / 12 (c2 dropped 58)
Re-rip Frame: 143620 (00:00:54.600) matched 10 / 11 (c2 dropped 363)
Re-rip Frame: 143635 (00:00:54.800) matched 10 / 12 (c2 dropped 10)
Re-rip Frame: 143636 (00:00:54.813) matched 10 / 11 (c2 dropped 12)
Re-rip Frame: 143651 (00:00:55.013) matched 10 / 11 (c2 dropped 2)
Re-rip Frame: 144061 (00:01:00.480) matched 10 / 11 (c2 dropped 5)
Re-rip Frame: 144140 (00:01:01.533) matched 10 / 11 (c2 dropped 2)
Re-rip Frame: 144219 (00:01:02.586) matched 10 / 11 (c2 dropped 19)
Re-rip Frame: 144266 (00:01:03.213) matched 10 / 11
Re-rip Frame: 144377 (00:01:04.693) matched 10 / 11 (c2 dropped 10)
Re-rip Frame: 144392 (00:01:04.893) matched 10 / 12 (c2 dropped 62)
Re-rip Frame: 144408 (00:01:05.106) matched 10 / 12 (c2 dropped 52)
Re-rip Frame: 144440 (00:01:05.533) matched 10 / 12 (c2 dropped 128)
Re-rip Frame: 144455 (00:01:05.733) matched 10 / 12 (c2 dropped 7)
Re-rip Frame: 144456 (00:01:05.746) matched 10 / 12 (c2 dropped 57)
Re-rip Frame: 144471 (00:01:05.946) matched 10 / 12 (c2 dropped 314)
Re-rip Frame: 144472 (00:01:05.960) matched 10 / 11 (c2 dropped 36)
Re-rip Frame: 144487 (00:01:06.160) matched 10 / 12 (c2 dropped 31)
Re-rip Frame: 144519 (00:01:06.586) matched 10 / 11 (c2 dropped 26)
Re-rip Frame: 144534 (00:01:06.786) matched 10 / 11
Re-rip Frame: 144535 (00:01:06.800) matched 10 / 11 (c2 dropped 1)
Re-rip Frame: 144550 (00:01:07.000) matched 10 / 11
Re-rip Frame: 144551 (00:01:07.013) matched 10 / 11 (c2 dropped 4)
Re-rip Frame: 145325 (00:01:17.333) matched 10 / 11
Re-rip Frame: 145435 (00:01:18.800) matched 10 / 12 (c2 dropped 19)
Re-rip Frame: 145436 (00:01:18.813) matched 10 / 12 (c2 dropped 15)
Re-rip Frame: 145451 (00:01:19.013) matched 10 / 12 (c2 dropped 127)
Re-rip Frame: 145452 (00:01:19.026) matched 10 / 12 (c2 dropped 473)
Re-rip Frame: 145467 (00:01:19.226) matched 10 / 11 (c2 dropped 2)
Re-rip Frame: 145483 (00:01:19.440) matched 10 / 11 (c2 dropped 10)
Re-rip Frame: 145499 (00:01:19.653) matched 10 / 12 (c2 dropped 10)
Re-rip Frame: 145515 (00:01:19.866) matched 10 / 11 (c2 dropped 1)
Re-rip Frame: 145879 (00:01:24.720) matched 10 / 11
Re-rip Frame: 145895 (00:01:24.933) matched 10 / 12 (c2 dropped 24)
Re-rip Frame: 145910 (00:01:25.133). Insecure (c2 dropped 694) [c2 best match]
Re-rip Frame: 145911 (00:01:25.146). Insecure (c2 dropped 695) [c2 best match]
Re-rip Frame: 145926 (00:01:25.346) matched 10 / 11 (c2 dropped 1)
Re-rip Frame: 145927 (00:01:25.360) matched 10 / 11 (c2 dropped 5)
Re-rip Frame: 145942 (00:01:25.560) matched 10 / 12 (c2 dropped 331)
Re-rip Frame: 145958 (00:01:25.773) matched 10 / 12 (c2 dropped 2)
Re-rip Frame: 145974 (00:01:25.986) matched 10 / 11 (c2 dropped 10)
Re-rip Frame: 145990 (00:01:26.200). Insecure (c2 dropped 691) [c2 best match]
Re-rip Frame: 146005 (00:01:26.400) matched 10 / 11 (c2 dropped 41)
Re-rip Frame: 146006 (00:01:26.413) matched 10 / 11 (c2 dropped 274)
Re-rip Frame: 146053 (00:01:27.040) matched 10 / 12 (c2 dropped 50)
Re-rip Frame: 146069 (00:01:27.253). Insecure (c2 dropped 698) [c2 best match]
Re-rip Frame: 146085 (00:01:27.466) matched 10 / 12 (c2 dropped 78)
Re-rip Frame: 146148 (00:01:28.306) matched 10 / 11 (c2 dropped 3)
Re-rip Frame: 146196 (00:01:28.946) matched 10 / 12 (c2 dropped 2)

Track 10: Ripped LBA 155282 to 174697 (4:18) in 0:20. Filename: K:\DBPWRAMP_EXT_AUDIO\Bass Quake\Bass Quake - Bass After Shock - 10 - Sub Sonix.wav
Secure [Pass 1, Ultra 1 to 1]
CRC32: A949A424

Track 11: Ripped LBA 174697 to 192770 (4:00) in 0:18. Filename: K:\DBPWRAMP_EXT_AUDIO\Bass Quake\Bass Quake - Bass After Shock - 11 - Liquid Bass.wav
Secure [Pass 1, Ultra 1 to 1]
CRC32: 8DC2D683

Track 12: Ripped LBA 192770 to 198590 (1:17) in 0:05. Filename: K:\DBPWRAMP_EXT_AUDIO\Bass Quake\Bass Quake - Bass After Shock - 12 - Tremors.wav
Secure [Pass 1, Ultra 1 to 1]
CRC32: 846E1A57

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12 Tracks Ripped: 8 Secure, 3 Secure (Warning), 1 Inaccurate


sp --data not daya

Also --The files extracted by both the Lite-ON as well as the troublesome tracks (particularly track 9) extracted by Plextools, played back perfectly with no pops or clicks.
David Lytham
Below is an Extraction Log from a CD that I ripped earlier, the CD is not in Accurate Rip.

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dBpowerAMP Release 12 Alpha 7 Digital Audio Extraction Log from 22 October 2006 5:00 PM

Drive & Settings
----------------

Ripping with drive 'D: [PLEXTOR - DVDR PX-760A ]', Drive offset: 30, Overread Lead-in/out: No
AccurateRip: Active, Using C2: Yes, Cache: None, FUA Cache Invalidate: Yes
Pass 1 Drive Speed: Max, Pass 2 Drive Speed: Max
Ultra:: Vary Drive Speed: Yes, Min Passes: 3, Max Passes: 6, Finish After Clean Passes: 2
Bad Sector Re-rip:: Drive Speed: Max, Maximum Re-reads: 34

Encoder: Wave -compression="PCM"

Extraction Log
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Track 1: Ripped LBA 33 to 16233 (3:36) in 1:58. Filename: K:\- Track 1.wav
Secure [Pass 1, Ultra 1 to 3]
CRC32: FB3D1C1A

Track 2: Ripped LBA 16233 to 60933 (9:56) in 5:03. Filename: K:\- Track 2.wav
Secure [Pass 1, Ultra 1 to 3]
CRC32: F6718546

Track 3: Ripped LBA 60933 to 86508 (5:41) in 2:50. Filename: K:\- Track 3.wav
Secure [Pass 1, Ultra 1 to 3]
CRC32: F6BDC1DE

Track 4: Ripped LBA 86508 to 118083 (7:01) in 3:25. Filename: K:\- Track 4.wav
Secure [Pass 1, Ultra 1 to 3]
CRC32: A9A982D7

Track 5: Ripped LBA 118083 to 141758 (5:15) in 2:32. Filename: K:\- Track 5.wav
Secure [Pass 1, Ultra 1 to 3]
CRC32: 83589822

Track 6: Ripped LBA 141758 to 166283 (5:27) in 2:37. Filename: K:\- Track 6.wav
Secure [Pass 1, Ultra 1 to 3]
CRC32: 0E9A7540

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6 Tracks Ripped Securely


I have C2 enabled. Should the Extraction Log make any reference to C2 errors at all (how many errors there were etc)? I have selected the "Detailed" option in R12 for Extraction Logs. I've noticed other logs posted here also detail "Re-ripped Frames" but my logs don't - anything to worry about or will errors only show up in the log if there was any?
TrueAudio
New update:

EAC v.09 beta 4 (using that because it's whats recommended by ubernet.org, among other reasons)

EAC vs dBpowerAMP with a significantly damaged CD (comparing two different drives to illustrate what I believe indicates a need to further refine, tweak, optimize the error correction algorithm/mechanisms with dBpowerAMP.

This info is an extension to my previous post above this one.

-usefua is used here by the way, that is why the drive cache is disabled in EAC, C2 is disabled because this version of EAC does not recognize the 716A as having C2.

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EAC extraction logfile from 22. October 2006, 11:05 for CD
Bass Quake / Bass After Shock

Used drive : PLEXTOR DVDR PX-716A Adapter: 2 ID: 0
Read mode : Secure with NO C2, accurate stream, NO disable cache
Read offset correction : 30
Overread into Lead-In and Lead-Out : Yes

Used output format : Internal WAV Routines
44.100 Hz; 16 Bit; Stereo

Other options :
Fill up missing offset samples with silence : No
Delete leading and trailing silent blocks : No
Installed external ASPI interface


Track 1
Filename K:\DBPWRAMP_EXT_AUDIO\Bass Quake_EAC_716_SATA\Bass Quake.wav

Peak level 84.4 %
Track quality 100.0 %
Test CRC 78AC349D
Copy CRC 78AC349D
Copy OK

Track 2
Filename K:\DBPWRAMP_EXT_AUDIO\Bass Quake_EAC_716_SATA\Quad's Up.wav

Peak level 88.5 %
Track quality 99.9 %
Test CRC DAFD681B
Copy CRC DAFD681B
Copy OK

Track 3
Filename K:\DBPWRAMP_EXT_AUDIO\Bass Quake_EAC_716_SATA\30 Below.wav

Peak level 85.1 %
Track quality 100.0 %
Test CRC 83207619
Copy CRC 83207619
Copy OK

Track 4
Filename K:\DBPWRAMP_EXT_AUDIO\Bass Quake_EAC_716_SATA\Bass 2 Bass.wav

Peak level 95.9 %
Track quality 100.0 %
Test CRC 4C7EE209
Copy CRC 4C7EE209
Copy OK

Track 5
Filename K:\DBPWRAMP_EXT_AUDIO\Bass Quake_EAC_716_SATA\Bass Supply.wav

Peak level 80.6 %
Track quality 99.9 %
Test CRC C10F3211
Copy CRC C10F3211
Copy OK

Track 6
Filename K:\DBPWRAMP_EXT_AUDIO\Bass Quake_EAC_716_SATA\Richter Scales.wav

Peak level 87.1 %
Track quality 100.0 %
Test CRC 65630459
Copy CRC 65630459
Copy OK

Track 7
Filename K:\DBPWRAMP_EXT_AUDIO\Bass Quake_EAC_716_SATA\Boom Boom Boom.wav

Peak level 68.1 %
Track quality 100.0 %
Test CRC A99E7D0B
Copy CRC A99E7D0B
Copy OK

Track 8
Filename K:\DBPWRAMP_EXT_AUDIO\Bass Quake_EAC_716_SATA\Underground Bass.wav

Peak level 77.0 %
Track quality 100.0 %
Test CRC 37285062
Copy CRC 37285062
Copy OK

Track 9
Filename K:\DBPWRAMP_EXT_AUDIO\Bass Quake_EAC_716_SATA\Fool 4 Da Bass.wav

Peak level 72.7 %
Track quality 99.8 %
Test CRC 00322FB1
Copy CRC 39878FCE

Copy OK

Track 10
Filename K:\DBPWRAMP_EXT_AUDIO\Bass Quake_EAC_716_SATA\Sub Sonix.wav

Peak level 71.5 %
Track quality 100.0 %
Test CRC A949A424
Copy CRC A949A424
Copy OK

Track 11
Filename K:\DBPWRAMP_EXT_AUDIO\Bass Quake_EAC_716_SATA\Liquid Bass.wav

Peak level 72.7 %
Track quality 100.0 %
Test CRC 8DC2D683
Copy CRC 8DC2D683
Copy OK

Track 12
Filename K:\DBPWRAMP_EXT_AUDIO\Bass Quake_EAC_716_SATA\Tremors.wav

Peak level 67.9 %
Track quality 100.0 %
Test CRC 846E1A57
Copy CRC 846E1A57
Copy OK

No errors occured


End of status report


If you look closely and notice, all the CRC's match exactly as extracted from EAC with the internal Plextor drive as they do with the LITE-ON drive with dBpowerAMP, EXCEPT FOR ONE --the most heavily damaged track --track 9. Note these differences:

Track 9
Filename K:\DBPWRAMP_EXT_AUDIO\Bass Quake_EAC_716_SATA\Fool 4 Da Bass.wav

Peak level 72.7 %
Track quality 99.8 %
Test CRC 00322FB1
Copy CRC 39878FCE

Notice even here EAC FAILS to produce a copy CRC that MATCHES the TEST CRC

Now track 9 from the LITE-ON with dBpowerAMP:

Track 9: Ripped LBA 139525 to 155282 (3:30) in 0:12. Filename: K:\DBPWRAMP_EXT_AUDIO\Bass Quake\Bass Quake - Bass After Shock - 09 - Fool 4 da Bass.wav
Secure [Pass 1, Ultra 1 to 1]
CRC32: 00322FB1

Copy OK

Notice something VERY interesting here, dBpowerAMP with the Lite-On drive produced the exact same CRC as the TEST CRC of the same track with the Plextor extracted with EAC (the full settings are indicated in the previous post for each drive).

Upon comparing the WAV files within EAC here are the results:

Lite-On extraction of track 9 with dBpowerAMP R12 A7 with c2 and Plextools (PX-716) extraction of the same damaged disc
(using level 5 error correction)

ALL SAMPLES ARE THE SAME, NO DIFFERENCE
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

EAC Extraction vs. PX-716 Plextools Extraction Track 9
error type Position (repeated again on right side in EAC)
different samples 0:00:37.816 - 0:00:37.823


EAC Extraction vs. Lite-On extraction (dBpowerAMP R12 A7 C2) Track 9
error type Position (repeated again on right side in EAC)
different samples 0:00:37.816 - 0:00:37.823

[This leads me to believe that dBpowerAMP with the Lite-On drive with C2 is working perfectly, as it matches every file (with comparing wavs) with PX-716 extracted with Plextools. Also, this is reinforced by the fact that the Lite-On dBpowerAMP extraction, as well as the Plextools PX-716 extraction, both DIFFER AND SHOW THE EXACT SAME ERROR IN SAMPLES POSITION RELATIVE TO THE EAC EXTRACTION.

Note again: all other CRC's of the tracks of this purposely damaged disc match between programs, and the Plextools extraction wav's all show no differences in samples whatsoever with the dBpowerAMP extraction with the Lite-ON

This reveals two things to me: 1) It illustrates that dBpowerAMP definitely HAS potential to be 100% accurate with some research into heavily analyzing and testing it further as it develops.

2) It illustrates that Plextools is also well designed and is capable of allowing a Plextor drive to read extremely heavily scratched CD's and still get the data extracted without errors in the files.

3) It illustrates that there is a relatively high degree of agreement between all three programs, and this kind of comparative analysis should be helpful in finding out what can be done to optimize dBpowerAMP so that it is always deadly accurate, with any good, capable drive.

Yes Ideally I should have used a disc that was in the AR database, but I wasn't willing to sacrifice something that I actually listen to that is popular for the purposes of these tests.


Plextor PX-716 extraction of track 9 using dBpowerAMP with C2 result = Fail outright, massive errors

PX-716 Track 9 dBpowerAMP C2

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Track 9: Ripped LBA 139525 to 155282 (3:30) in 2:26. Filename: K:\DBPWRAMP_EXT_AUDIO\Bass Quake\Bass Quake - Bass After Shock - 09 - Fool 4 da Bass.wav
Insecure [Pass 1, Ultra 1 to 2, Re-Rip 52 Frames]
CRC32: 00322FB1
Re-rip Frame: 141780 (00:00:30.066) matched 10 / 12 (c2 dropped 165)
Re-rip Frame: 141796 (00:00:30.280) matched 10 / 11
Re-rip Frame: 141811 (00:00:30.480) matched 10 / 13 (c2 dropped 38)
Re-rip Frame: 141812 (00:00:30.493) matched 10 / 13 (c2 dropped 131)
Re-rip Frame: 142471 (00:00:39.280) matched 10 / 11 (c2 dropped 16)
Re-rip Frame: 143588 (00:00:54.173) matched 10 / 11 (c2 dropped 16)
Re-rip Frame: 143604 (00:00:54.386) matched 10 / 11 (c2 dropped 27)
Re-rip Frame: 143620 (00:00:54.600) matched 10 / 12 (c2 dropped 263)
Re-rip Frame: 143651 (00:00:55.013) matched 10 / 12 (c2 dropped 54)
Re-rip Frame: 144392 (00:01:04.893) matched 10 / 12 (c2 dropped 2)
Re-rip Frame: 144408 (00:01:05.106) matched 10 / 13 (c2 dropped 16)
Re-rip Frame: 144424 (00:01:05.320) matched 10 / 13 (c2 dropped 8)
Re-rip Frame: 144440 (00:01:05.533) matched 10 / 12 (c2 dropped 35)
Re-rip Frame: 144455 (00:01:05.733) matched 10 / 12 (c2 dropped 4)
Re-rip Frame: 144456 (00:01:05.746) matched 10 / 12 (c2 dropped 28)
Re-rip Frame: 144471 (00:01:05.946) matched 10 / 12 (c2 dropped 103)
Re-rip Frame: 144472 (00:01:05.960) matched 10 / 14 (c2 dropped 50)
Re-rip Frame: 144487 (00:01:06.160) matched 10 / 13 (c2 dropped 62)
Re-rip Frame: 144503 (00:01:06.373) matched 10 / 13 (c2 dropped 11)
Re-rip Frame: 144519 (00:01:06.586) matched 10 / 13 (c2 dropped 44)
Re-rip Frame: 144534 (00:01:06.786) matched 10 / 12
Re-rip Frame: 144535 (00:01:06.800) matched 10 / 11
Re-rip Frame: 144550 (00:01:07.000) matched 10 / 11
Re-rip Frame: 144551 (00:01:07.013) matched 10 / 12 (c2 dropped 1)
Re-rip Frame: 144629 (00:01:08.053) matched 10 / 11
Re-rip Frame: 144630 (00:01:08.066) matched 10 / 11 (c2 dropped 1)
Re-rip Frame: 145435 (00:01:18.800) matched 10 / 12 (c2 dropped 2)
Re-rip Frame: 145436 (00:01:18.813) matched 10 / 12 (c2 dropped 14)
Re-rip Frame: 145451 (00:01:19.013) matched 10 / 12 (c2 dropped 19)
Re-rip Frame: 145452 (00:01:19.026) matched 10 / 11 (c2 dropped 24)
Re-rip Frame: 145467 (00:01:19.226) matched 10 / 11
Re-rip Frame: 145515 (00:01:19.866) matched 10 / 11 (c2 dropped 2)
Re-rip Frame: 145879 (00:01:24.720) matched 10 / 11 (c2 dropped 4)
Re-rip Frame: 145910 (00:01:25.133) matched 10 / 13 (c2 dropped 45)
Re-rip Frame: 145911 (00:01:25.146) matched 10 / 13 (c2 dropped 280)
Re-rip Frame: 145926 (00:01:25.346) matched 10 / 11
Re-rip Frame: 145927 (00:01:25.360) matched 10 / 11 (c2 dropped 3)
Re-rip Frame: 145942 (00:01:25.560). Insecure (c2 dropped 691) [c2 best match]
Re-rip Frame: 145958 (00:01:25.773) matched 10 / 12 (c2 dropped 25)
Re-rip Frame: 145974 (00:01:25.986) matched 10 / 13 (c2 dropped 111)
Re-rip Frame: 145990 (00:01:26.200) matched 10 / 13 (c2 dropped 267)
Re-rip Frame: 146005 (00:01:26.400) matched 10 / 13 (c2 dropped 60)
Re-rip Frame: 146006 (00:01:26.413) matched 10 / 13 (c2 dropped 252)
Re-rip Frame: 146021 (00:01:26.613) matched 10 / 12 (c2 dropped 4)
Re-rip Frame: 146022 (00:01:26.626) matched 10 / 12 (c2 dropped 15)
Re-rip Frame: 146037 (00:01:26.826) matched 10 / 11 (c2 dropped 1)
Re-rip Frame: 146053 (00:01:27.040) matched 10 / 13 (c2 dropped 76)
Re-rip Frame: 146069 (00:01:27.253) matched 10 / 12 (c2 dropped 22)
Re-rip Frame: 146085 (00:01:27.466) matched 10 / 13 (c2 dropped 191)
Re-rip Frame: 148202 (00:01:55.693) matched 10 / 11
Re-rip Frame: 148203 (00:01:55.706) matched 10 / 11
Re-rip Frame: 152547 (00:02:53.626) matched 10 / 11


--This track errored out in dBpowerAMP, and resulted in only a 44Kb file being written to the drive (should have been many MB in size. NOTICE however, that the same CRC was generated as with the Lite-ON, as well as from the EAC TEST extraction (not the EAC Copy extraction, oddly enough), even though the track failed to extract.

All correctly extracted tracks played back fine without any noticeable distortion, clicks, pops, skips of any kind whatsoever, including the successful extractions of track 9 where applicable.
spoon
@TrueAudio

Looking at the logs quickly, these frames stand out, external plextor:

Re-rip Frame: 145942 (00:01:25.560). Insecure (c2 dropped 691) [c2 best match]

Internal Plextor:

Re-rip Frame: 145942 (00:01:25.560) matched 10 / 12 (c2 dropped 331)

External Plextor:

Re-rip Frame: 141780 (00:00:30.066) matched 10 / 12 (c2 dropped 165)

Internal Plextor:

Re-rip Frame: 141780 (00:00:30.066). Insecure (c2 dropped 700)

I would run a test on the same cd with FUA not used, just try the correct cache amount set, to be sure. The Lite-on seems to outperform both Plextor 716s by a huge margine (not a single frame required to be re-ripeed)...

@ David Lytham

Looking at your log, no errors were detected so there is no reporting, find yourself a very scratched cd and you will seem a full log smile.gif
TrueAudio
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I would run a test on the same cd with FUA not used, just try the correct cache amount set, to be sure. The Lite-on seems to outperform both Plextor 716s by a huge margine (not a single frame required to be re-ripeed)...


You were correct, I didn't have the cache detected (I didn't think it mattered since I had the FUA option enabled, but apparently it does. Here is the Bass Quake extraction log of the PX-716UF with the cache detected as well as FUA disabled Also, oddly enough I noticed that the cache detection is THE ONLY thing that is important (to be used *before* testing for FUA compatability). You can have the actual cache detected properly, and then turn on the use FUA option if it shows that the drive supports it, and it will still work just fine.

I'm not sure if enabling FUA does anything with the cache having a number other than 0 in it?. I also did a separate rip with FUA enabled of this entire disc, it resulted in exactly the same results with no re-reads needed at all.


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dBpowerAMP Release 12 Alpha 7 Digital Audio Extraction Log from Sunday, October 22, 2006 3:05 PM

Drive & Settings
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Ripping with drive 'I: [PLEXTOR - DVDR PX-716A ]', Drive offset: 30, Overread Lead-in/out: Yes
AccurateRip: Active, Using C2: Yes, Cache: 1173 KB, FUA Cache Invalidate: No
Pass 1 Drive Speed: Max, Pass 2 Drive Speed: Max
Ultra:: Vary Drive Speed: No, Min Passes: 1, Max Passes: 6, Finish After Clean Passes: 1
Bad Sector Re-rip:: Drive Speed: Max, Maximum Re-reads: 700

Encoder: Wave -compression="PCM"

Extraction Log
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Track 1: Ripped LBA 0 to 5772 (1:16) in 0:14. Filename: K:\DBPWRAMP_EXT_AUDIO\Bass Quake\Bass Quake - Bass After Shock - 01 - Bass Quake.wav
Secure [Pass 1, Ultra 1 to 1]
CRC32: 78AC349D

Track 2: Ripped LBA 5772 to 27515 (4:49) in 0:50. Filename: K:\DBPWRAMP_EXT_AUDIO\Bass Quake\Bass Quake - Bass After Shock - 02 - Quad's Up.wav
Secure [Pass 1, Ultra 1 to 1]
CRC32: DAFD681B

Track 3: Ripped LBA 27515 to 44732 (3:49) in 0:35. Filename: K:\DBPWRAMP_EXT_AUDIO\Bass Quake\Bass Quake - Bass After Shock - 03 - 30 Below.wav
Secure [Pass 1, Ultra 1 to 1]
CRC32: 83207619

Track 4: Ripped LBA 44732 to 60782 (3:34) in 0:31. Filename: K:\DBPWRAMP_EXT_AUDIO\Bass Quake\Bass Quake - Bass After Shock - 04 - Bass 2 Bass.wav
Secure [Pass 1, Ultra 1 to 1]
CRC32: 4C7EE209

Track 5: Ripped LBA 60782 to 79090 (4:04) in 0:33. Filename: K:\DBPWRAMP_EXT_AUDIO\Bass Quake\Bass Quake - Bass After Shock - 05 - Bass Supply.wav
Secure [Pass 1, Ultra 1 to 1]
CRC32: C10F3211

Track 6: Ripped LBA 79090 to 100995 (4:52) in 0:37. Filename: K:\DBPWRAMP_EXT_AUDIO\Bass Quake\Bass Quake - Bass After Shock - 06 - Richter Scales.wav
Secure [Pass 1, Ultra 1 to 1]
CRC32: 65630459

Track 7: Ripped LBA 100995 to 117700 (3:42) in 0:26. Filename: K:\DBPWRAMP_EXT_AUDIO\Bass Quake\Bass Quake - Bass After Shock - 07 - Boom Boom Boom.wav
Secure [Pass 1, Ultra 1 to 1]
CRC32: A99E7D0B

Track 8: Ripped LBA 117700 to 139525 (4:51) in 0:33. Filename: K:\DBPWRAMP_EXT_AUDIO\Bass Quake\Bass Quake - Bass After Shock - 08 - Underground Bass.wav
Secure [Pass 1, Ultra 1 to 1]
CRC32: 37285062

Track 9: Ripped LBA 139525 to 155282 (3:30) in 0:23. Filename: K:\DBPWRAMP_EXT_AUDIO\Bass Quake\Bass Quake - Bass After Shock - 09 - Fool 4 Da Bass.wav
Secure [Pass 1, Ultra 1 to 1]
CRC32: 00322FB1

Track 10: Ripped LBA 155282 to 174697 (4:18) in 0:27. Filename: K:\DBPWRAMP_EXT_AUDIO\Bass Quake\Bass Quake - Bass After Shock - 10 - Sub Sonix.wav
Secure [Pass 1, Ultra 1 to 1]
CRC32: A949A424

Track 11: Ripped LBA 174697 to 192770 (4:00) in 0:24. Filename: K:\DBPWRAMP_EXT_AUDIO\Bass Quake\Bass Quake - Bass After Shock - 11 - Liquid Bass.wav
Secure [Pass 1, Ultra 1 to 1]
CRC32: 8DC2D683

Track 12: Ripped LBA 192770 to 198590 (1:17) in 0:07. Filename: K:\DBPWRAMP_EXT_AUDIO\Bass Quake\Bass Quake - Bass After Shock - 12 - Tremors.wav
Secure [Pass 1, Ultra 1 to 1]
CRC32: 846E1A57

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12 Tracks Ripped Securely


Here is some new info, including another interesting twist, this time with the Lite-On drive [NOTE -different disc this time with a problematic last track]:


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dBpowerAMP Release 12 Alpha 7 Digital Audio Extraction Log from Sunday, October 22, 2006 1:20 PM

Drive & Settings
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Ripping with drive 'H: [LITE-ON - DVDRW SHW-160H6S]', Drive offset: 6, Overread Lead-in/out: No
AccurateRip: Active, Using C2: Yes, Cache: 670 KB, FUA Cache Invalidate: Yes
Pass 1 Drive Speed: Max, Pass 2 Drive Speed: Max
Ultra:: Vary Drive Speed: No, Min Passes: 1, Max Passes: 6, Finish After Clean Passes: 1
Bad Sector Re-rip:: Drive Speed: Max, Maximum Re-reads: 700

Encoder: Wave -compression="PCM"

Extraction Log
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Track 1: Ripped LBA 0 to 33859 (7:31) in 0:22. Filename: K:\DBPWRAMP_EXT_AUDIO\John Williams\John Williams - Star Wars Episode III - Revenge Of The Sith - 01 - Star Wars And The Revenge Of The Sith.wav
AccurateRip: Accurate (confidence 17) [Pass 1]
CRC32: B46E4BA2

Track 2: Ripped LBA 33859 to 55310 (4:46) in 0:10. Filename: K:\DBPWRAMP_EXT_AUDIO\John Williams\John Williams - Star Wars Episode III - Revenge Of The Sith - 02 - Anakin's Dream.wav
AccurateRip: Accurate (confidence 17) [Pass 1]
CRC32: A7CB1AEB

Track 3: Ripped LBA 55310 to 71987 (3:42) in 0:07. Filename: K:\DBPWRAMP_EXT_AUDIO\John Williams\John Williams - Star Wars Episode III - Revenge Of The Sith - 03 - Battle Of The Heroes.wav
AccurateRip: Accurate (confidence 17) [Pass 1]
CRC32: C7A58552

Track 4: Ripped LBA 71987 to 90262 (4:03) in 0:07. Filename: K:\DBPWRAMP_EXT_AUDIO\John Williams\John Williams - Star Wars Episode III - Revenge Of The Sith - 04 - Anakin's Betrayal.wav
AccurateRip: Accurate (confidence 17) [Pass 1]
CRC32: F21D73C4

Track 5: Ripped LBA 90262 to 108788 (4:07) in 0:07. Filename: K:\DBPWRAMP_EXT_AUDIO\John Williams\John Williams - Star Wars Episode III - Revenge Of The Sith - 05 - General Grievous.wav
AccurateRip: Accurate (confidence 17) [Pass 1]
CRC32: 77C88324

Track 6: Ripped LBA 108788 to 133166 (5:25) in 0:09. Filename: K:\DBPWRAMP_EXT_AUDIO\John Williams\John Williams - Star Wars Episode III - Revenge Of The Sith - 06 - Palpatine's Teachings.wav
AccurateRip: Accurate (confidence 17) [Pass 1]
CRC32: 6B841453

Track 7: Ripped LBA 133166 to 148734 (3:27) in 0:05. Filename: K:\DBPWRAMP_EXT_AUDIO\John Williams\John Williams - Star Wars Episode III - Revenge Of The Sith - 07 - Grievous And The Droids.wav
AccurateRip: Accurate (confidence 17) [Pass 1]
CRC32: 2D4B8BEC

Track 8: Ripped LBA 148734 to 163494 (3:16) in 0:05. Filename: K:\DBPWRAMP_EXT_AUDIO\John Williams\John Williams - Star Wars Episode III - Revenge Of The Sith - 08 - Padme's Ruminations.wav
AccurateRip: Accurate (confidence 17) [Pass 1]
CRC32: 3DDD17C0

Track 9: Ripped LBA 163494 to 181285 (3:57) in 0:06. Filename: K:\DBPWRAMP_EXT_AUDIO\John Williams\John Williams - Star Wars Episode III - Revenge Of The Sith - 09 - Anakin Vs. Obi-Wan.wav
AccurateRip: Accurate (confidence 17) [Pass 1]
CRC32: 4169D22E

Track 10: Ripped LBA 181285 to 199669 (4:05) in 0:06. Filename: K:\DBPWRAMP_EXT_AUDIO\John Williams\John Williams - Star Wars Episode III - Revenge Of The Sith - 10 - Anakin's Dark Deeds.wav
AccurateRip: Accurate (confidence 17) [Pass 1]
CRC32: 5301D9F4

Track 11: Ripped LBA 199669 to 218752 (4:14) in 0:06. Filename: K:\DBPWRAMP_EXT_AUDIO\John Williams\John Williams - Star Wars Episode III - Revenge Of The Sith - 11 - Enter Lord Vader.wav
AccurateRip: Accurate (confidence 17) [Pass 1]
CRC32: 1876BF73

Track 12: Ripped LBA 218752 to 230886 (2:41) in 0:03. Filename: K:\DBPWRAMP_EXT_AUDIO\John Williams\John Williams - Star Wars Episode III - Revenge Of The Sith - 12 - The Immolation Scene.wav
AccurateRip: Accurate (confidence 16) [Pass 1]
CRC32: 5E3C6FA2

Track 13: Ripped LBA 230886 to 243591 (2:49) in 0:03. Filename: K:\DBPWRAMP_EXT_AUDIO\John Williams\John Williams - Star Wars Episode III - Revenge Of The Sith - 13 - Grievous Speaks To Lord Sidious.wav
AccurateRip: Accurate (confidence 17) [Pass 1]
CRC32: 13641D81

Track 14: Ripped LBA 243591 to 259879 (3:37) in 0:04. Filename: K:\DBPWRAMP_EXT_AUDIO\John Williams\John Williams - Star Wars Episode III - Revenge Of The Sith - 14 - The Birth Of The Twins And Padme's Destiny.wav
AccurateRip: Accurate (confidence 17) [Pass 1]
CRC32: 28D4F543

Track 15: Ripped LBA 259879 to 318813 (13:05) in 2:01. Filename: K:\DBPWRAMP_EXT_AUDIO\John Williams\John Williams - Star Wars Episode III - Revenge Of The Sith - 15 - A New Hope And End Credits.wav
AccurateRip: Accurate (confidence 15) [Pass 1, Ultra 1 to 1, Re-Rip 234 Frames]
CRC32: B8406495
Re-rip Frame: 289206 (00:06:31.026) matched 10 / 11
Re-rip Frame: 289331 (00:06:32.693). Insecure (c2 dropped 700)
Re-rip Frame: 289332 (00:06:32.706). Insecure (c2 dropped 700)
Re-rip Frame: 289352 (00:06:32.973) matched 10 / 11
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Re-rip Frame: 292089 (00:07:09.466) matched 10 / 11
Re-rip Frame: 292109 (00:07:09.733) matched 10 / 11
Re-rip Frame: 292130 (00:07:10.013) matched 10 / 11
Re-rip Frame: 292151 (00:07:10.293) matched 10 / 11
Re-rip Frame: 292172 (00:07:10.573) matched 10 / 11
Re-rip Frame: 292193 (00:07:10.853) matched 10 / 11
Re-rip Frame: 292214 (00:07:11.133) matched 10 / 11
Re-rip Frame: 292235 (00:07:11.413) matched 10 / 11
Re-rip Frame: 292256 (00:07:11.693) matched 10 / 11
Re-rip Frame: 292277 (00:07:11.973) matched 10 / 11
Re-rip Frame: 292298 (00:07:12.253) matched 10 / 11
Re-rip Frame: 292318 (00:07:12.520) matched 10 / 11
Re-rip Frame: 292319 (00:07:12.533) matched 10 / 11
Re-rip Frame: 292339 (00:07:12.800) matched 10 / 11
Re-rip Frame: 292340 (00:07:12.813) matched 10 / 11
Re-rip Frame: 292360 (00:07:13.080) matched 10 / 11
Re-rip Frame: 292361 (00:07:13.093) matched 10 / 11
Re-rip Frame: 292381 (00:07:13.360) matched 10 / 11
Re-rip Frame: 292382 (00:07:13.373) matched 10 / 11
Re-rip Frame: 292402 (00:07:13.640) matched 10 / 11
Re-rip Frame: 292403 (00:07:13.653) matched 10 / 11
Re-rip Frame: 292423 (00:07:13.920) matched 10 / 11
Re-rip Frame: 292444 (00:07:14.200) matched 10 / 11
Re-rip Frame: 292465 (00:07:14.480) matched 10 / 11
Re-rip Frame: 292486 (00:07:14.760) matched 10 / 11
Re-rip Frame: 292507 (00:07:15.040) matched 10 / 11
Re-rip Frame: 292528 (00:07:15.320) matched 10 / 11
Re-rip Frame: 292549 (00:07:15.600) matched 10 / 11
Re-rip Frame: 292570 (00:07:15.880) matched 10 / 11
Re-rip Frame: 292591 (00:07:16.160) matched 10 / 11
Re-rip Frame: 292612 (00:07:16.440) matched 10 / 11
Re-rip Frame: 292632 (00:07:16.706) matched 10 / 11
Re-rip Frame: 292633 (00:07:16.720) matched 10 / 11
Re-rip Frame: 292653 (00:07:16.986) matched 10 / 11
Re-rip Frame: 292654 (00:07:17.000) matched 10 / 11
Re-rip Frame: 292674 (00:07:17.266) matched 10 / 11
Re-rip Frame: 292675 (00:07:17.280) matched 10 / 11
Re-rip Frame: 292695 (00:07:17.546) matched 10 / 11
Re-rip Frame: 292696 (00:07:17.560) matched 10 / 11
Re-rip Frame: 292716 (00:07:17.826) matched 10 / 11
Re-rip Frame: 292717 (00:07:17.840) matched 10 / 11
Re-rip Frame: 292758 (00:07:18.386) matched 10 / 11
Re-rip Frame: 292779 (00:07:18.666) matched 10 / 11
Re-rip Frame: 292800 (00:07:18.946) matched 10 / 11
Re-rip Frame: 292821 (00:07:19.226) matched 10 / 11
Re-rip Frame: 292842 (00:07:19.506) matched 10 / 11
Re-rip Frame: 292863 (00:07:19.786) matched 10 / 11
Re-rip Frame: 292884 (00:07:20.066) matched 10 / 11
Re-rip Frame: 292968 (00:07:21.186) matched 10 / 11
Re-rip Frame: 292989 (00:07:21.466) matched 10 / 11
Re-rip Frame: 293010 (00:07:21.746) matched 10 / 11
Re-rip Frame: 293030 (00:07:22.013) matched 10 / 11
Re-rip Frame: 293031 (00:07:22.026) matched 10 / 11
Re-rip Frame: 293051 (00:07:22.293) matched 10 / 11
Re-rip Frame: 293052 (00:07:22.306) matched 10 / 11
Re-rip Frame: 293093 (00:07:22.853) matched 10 / 11
Re-rip Frame: 293094 (00:07:22.866) matched 10 / 11
Re-rip Frame: 293114 (00:07:23.133) matched 10 / 11
Re-rip Frame: 293115 (00:07:23.146) matched 10 / 11
Re-rip Frame: 293219 (00:07:24.533) matched 10 / 11
Re-rip Frame: 311176 (00:11:23.960) matched 10 / 11
Re-rip Frame: 311177 (00:11:23.973) matched 10 / 11

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15 Tracks Ripped Accurately


Observe the last track extracted with the Plextor this time (with cache detected but yet also, FUA enabled --it didn't even have to do an ultra pass here. By the way, this last track showed c2 errors and even a red, bad block of data when scanned by Nero CD speed with the Lite-On drive --notice the CRC's

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dBpowerAMP Release 12 Alpha 7 Digital Audio Extraction Log from Sunday, October 22, 2006 3:30 PM

Drive & Settings
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Ripping with drive 'I: [PLEXTOR - DVDR PX-716A ]', Drive offset: 30, Overread Lead-in/out: Yes
AccurateRip: Active, Using C2: Yes, Cache: 1173 KB, FUA Cache Invalidate: Yes
Pass 1 Drive Speed: Max, Pass 2 Drive Speed: Max
Ultra:: Vary Drive Speed: No, Min Passes: 1, Max Passes: 6, Finish After Clean Passes: 1
Bad Sector Re-rip:: Drive Speed: Max, Maximum Re-reads: 700

Encoder: Wave -compression="PCM"

Extraction Log
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Track 15: Ripped LBA 259879 to 318813 (13:05) in 1:38. Filename: K:\DBPWRAMP_EXT_AUDIO\John Williams\John Williams - Star Wars Episode III - Revenge Of The Sith - 15 - A New Hope And End Credits.wav
AccurateRip: Accurate (confidence 15) [Pass 1]
CRC32: B8406495

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1 Tracks Ripped Accurately


More cross-verification showing that something must be being done right.

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EAC extraction logfile from 22. October 2006, 15:52 for CD
John Williams / Star Wars Episode III: Revenge of the Sith [Original Motion Picture Soundtrack]

Used drive : PLEXTOR DVDR PX-716A Adapter: 2 ID: 0
Read mode : Secure with NO C2, accurate stream, NO disable cache
Read offset correction : 30
Overread into Lead-In and Lead-Out : Yes

Used output format : Internal WAV Routines
44.100 Hz; 16 Bit; Stereo

Other options :
Fill up missing offset samples with silence : No
Delete leading and trailing silent blocks : No
Installed external ASPI interface


Track 15
Filename K:\DBPWRAMP_EXT_AUDIO\John Williams_EAC_TRACK_15_NOC2\A New Hope and End Credits.wav

Peak level 90.1 %
Track quality 100.0 %
Test CRC B8406495
Copy CRC B8406495
Copy OK

No errors occured


End of status report




By the way Spoon, question:

How could track 15 from the Lite-On log match the Accuraterip database as well as the CRC's from EAC and from the flawless rip of the Plextor when it had these two lines of code in the log?:

Re-rip Frame: 289331 (00:06:32.693). Insecure (c2 dropped 700)
Re-rip Frame: 289332 (00:06:32.706). Insecure (c2 dropped 700)
VCSkier
any chance of a linux port? wink.gif
spoon
>Re-rip Frame: 289331 (00:06:32.693). Insecure (c2 dropped 700)
>Re-rip Frame: 289332 (00:06:32.706). Insecure (c2 dropped 700)

Two possibilities - the c2 is reporting an error which is not there (very possible), or the frame might be silence audio, which it just happened to return (not overly likely).

If I have things right, enablng FUA on your 716 makes it rip with lots of c2 errors, disabling it and it rips ok? (the cache value is not used with FUA, so 0 should be ok).
MedO
This makes me wonder... do you mark frames as bad which reported c2 (probably corrected) or cu (uncorrected)?
spoon
From the MMC3 specs:

01b C2 error block data

The C2 error, Pointer bits (2 352 bits or 294 bytes) is included in the data stream. There is one bit for each byte in error in the sector (2 352 total). The bit ordering is from the most significant bit to the least significant bit in each byte. The first bytes in the sector are the first
bits/bytes in the data stream.

c2 has two ways of failling, by missing an error completely, or to flag an error which is not there.
MedO
QUOTE(spoon @ Oct 23 2006, 10:26) *

From the MMC3 specs:

01b C2 error block data

The C2 error, Pointer bits (2 352 bits or 294 bytes) is included in the data stream. There is one bit for each byte in error in the sector (2 352 total). The bit ordering is from the most significant bit to the least significant bit in each byte. The first bytes in the sector are the first
bits/bytes in the data stream.

c2 has two ways of failling, by missing an error completely, or to flag an error which is not there.


I guess these include "probably corrected" c2 errors then... Sorry, I don't know much about how the drive sends its data to the PC, but I know how the error correction works. I think TrueAudio's drive was able to correct the errors at the c2 stage, but still flagged them every time because a c2 correction was necessary.
spoon
spath might jump in here, it might be implemented differently between drives (heck c2 is far from uniform across drives, I am getting reports from some drives that readcd with LBA will not work with c2, where as readcd MSF with c2 does work), I would have thought correctable ones would not be flagged.
spies
QUOTE(VCSkier @ Oct 22 2006, 22:58) *

any chance of a linux port? wink.gif
Works great with Wine on Ubuntu 6.06 (The Dapper Drake) for me.
rudefyet
QUOTE(spies @ Oct 23 2006, 09:39) *

QUOTE(VCSkier @ Oct 22 2006, 22:58) *

any chance of a linux port? wink.gif
Works great with Wine on Ubuntu 6.06 (The Dapper Drake) for me.


I'll second that

worked fine in Ubuntu 6.10 last time I tried
gaillard
Thats good news! Now if only foobar did! gooooosh.
TrueAudio
QUOTE
If I have things right, enablng FUA on your 716 makes it rip with lots of c2 errors, disabling it and it rips ok? (the cache value is not used with FUA, so 0 should be ok).


Not entirely correct. Here is the exact breakdown:

I. If you have FUA support enabled BEFORE you have done the cache detection (i.e. cache says NONE; this is the exact scenario that causes the drive to have to re-read, and results in it completely FAILING to extract in some cases as seen here again --note, even though it calculates the correct CRC, the resulting extracted file is **unplayable** (i.e. unrecognizable by both EAC "process WAV", as well as Foobar 2000) and is only 44 KILOBYTES in size) it also is marked with a red 'X' with the word "fail" (NOT "i" secure) next to that track in dBpowerAMP.

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dBpowerAMP Release 12 Alpha 7 Digital Audio Extraction Log from Friday, October 20, 2006 8:24 PM

Drive & Settings
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Ripping with drive 'I: [PLEXTOR - DVDR PX-716UF 1.10 ]', Drive offset: 30, Overread Lead-in/out: Yes
AccurateRip: Active, Using C2: Yes, Cache: None, FUA Cache Invalidate: Yes
Pass 1 Drive Speed: Max, Pass 2 Drive Speed: Max
Ultra:: Vary Drive Speed: No, Min Passes: 1, Max Passes: 6, Finish After Clean Passes: 1
Bad Sector Re-rip:: Drive Speed: Max, Maximum Re-reads: 700

Encoder: Wave -compression="PCM"

Extraction Log
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Track 9: Ripped LBA 139525 to 155282 (3:30) in 2:26. Filename: K:\DBPWRAMP_EXT_AUDIO\Bass Quake\Bass Quake - Bass After Shock - 09 - Fool 4 da Bass.wav
Insecure [Pass 1, Ultra 1 to 2, Re-Rip 52 Frames]
CRC32: 00322FB1
Re-rip Frame: 141780 (00:00:30.066) matched 10 / 12 (c2 dropped 165)
Re-rip Frame: 141796 (00:00:30.280) matched 10 / 11
Re-rip Frame: 141811 (00:00:30.480) matched 10 / 13 (c2 dropped 38)
Re-rip Frame: 141812 (00:00:30.493) matched 10 / 13 (c2 dropped 131)
Re-rip Frame: 142471 (00:00:39.280) matched 10 / 11 (c2 dropped 16)
Re-rip Frame: 143588 (00:00:54.173) matched 10 / 11 (c2 dropped 16)
Re-rip Frame: 143604 (00:00:54.386) matched 10 / 11 (c2 dropped 27)
Re-rip Frame: 143620 (00:00:54.600) matched 10 / 12 (c2 dropped 263)
Re-rip Frame: 143651 (00:00:55.013) matched 10 / 12 (c2 dropped 54)
Re-rip Frame: 144392 (00:01:04.893) matched 10 / 12 (c2 dropped 2)
Re-rip Frame: 144408 (00:01:05.106) matched 10 / 13 (c2 dropped 16)
Re-rip Frame: 144424 (00:01:05.320) matched 10 / 13 (c2 dropped 8)
Re-rip Frame: 144440 (00:01:05.533) matched 10 / 12 (c2 dropped 35)
Re-rip Frame: 144455 (00:01:05.733) matched 10 / 12 (c2 dropped 4)
Re-rip Frame: 144456 (00:01:05.746) matched 10 / 12 (c2 dropped 28)
Re-rip Frame: 144471 (00:01:05.946) matched 10 / 12 (c2 dropped 103)
Re-rip Frame: 144472 (00:01:05.960) matched 10 / 14 (c2 dropped 50)
Re-rip Frame: 144487 (00:01:06.160) matched 10 / 13 (c2 dropped 62)
Re-rip Frame: 144503 (00:01:06.373) matched 10 / 13 (c2 dropped 11)
Re-rip Frame: 144519 (00:01:06.586) matched 10 / 13 (c2 dropped 44)
Re-rip Frame: 144534 (00:01:06.786) matched 10 / 12
Re-rip Frame: 144535 (00:01:06.800) matched 10 / 11
Re-rip Frame: 144550 (00:01:07.000) matched 10 / 11
Re-rip Frame: 144551 (00:01:07.013) matched 10 / 12 (c2 dropped 1)
Re-rip Frame: 144629 (00:01:08.053) matched 10 / 11
Re-rip Frame: 144630 (00:01:08.066) matched 10 / 11 (c2 dropped 1)
Re-rip Frame: 145435 (00:01:18.800) matched 10 / 12 (c2 dropped 2)
Re-rip Frame: 145436 (00:01:18.813) matched 10 / 12 (c2 dropped 14)
Re-rip Frame: 145451 (00:01:19.013) matched 10 / 12 (c2 dropped 19)
Re-rip Frame: 145452 (00:01:19.026) matched 10 / 11 (c2 dropped 24)
Re-rip Frame: 145467 (00:01:19.226) matched 10 / 11
Re-rip Frame: 145515 (00:01:19.866) matched 10 / 11 (c2 dropped 2)
Re-rip Frame: 145879 (00:01:24.720) matched 10 / 11 (c2 dropped 4)
Re-rip Frame: 145910 (00:01:25.133) matched 10 / 13 (c2 dropped 45)
Re-rip Frame: 145911 (00:01:25.146) matched 10 / 13 (c2 dropped 280)
Re-rip Frame: 145926 (00:01:25.346) matched 10 / 11
Re-rip Frame: 145927 (00:01:25.360) matched 10 / 11 (c2 dropped 3)
Re-rip Frame: 145942 (00:01:25.560). Insecure (c2 dropped 691) [c2 best match]
Re-rip Frame: 145958 (00:01:25.773) matched 10 / 12 (c2 dropped 25)
Re-rip Frame: 145974 (00:01:25.986) matched 10 / 13 (c2 dropped 111)
Re-rip Frame: 145990 (00:01:26.200) matched 10 / 13 (c2 dropped 267)
Re-rip Frame: 146005 (00:01:26.400) matched 10 / 13 (c2 dropped 60)
Re-rip Frame: 146006 (00:01:26.413) matched 10 / 13 (c2 dropped 252)
Re-rip Frame: 146021 (00:01:26.613) matched 10 / 12 (c2 dropped 4)
Re-rip Frame: 146022 (00:01:26.626) matched 10 / 12 (c2 dropped 15)
Re-rip Frame: 146037 (00:01:26.826) matched 10 / 11 (c2 dropped 1)
Re-rip Frame: 146053 (00:01:27.040) matched 10 / 13 (c2 dropped 76)
Re-rip Frame: 146069 (00:01:27.253) matched 10 / 12 (c2 dropped 22)
Re-rip Frame: 146085 (00:01:27.466) matched 10 / 13 (c2 dropped 191)
Re-rip Frame: 148202 (00:01:55.693) matched 10 / 11
Re-rip Frame: 148203 (00:01:55.706) matched 10 / 11
Re-rip Frame: 152547 (00:02:53.626) matched 10 / 11


II. If cache detection is done BEFORE FUA is checked (enabled), and the resulting cache size of the PX-716 is detected, it will then extract perfectly with NO re-reads, and matching CRC's, also as long as the cache was detected beforehand, it then subsequently does not matter to the drive in terms of whether FUA is enabled or disabled, either way it will properly extract, ***IT IS ONLY WHEN THE CACHE WAS NOT TESTED FOR, THAT FUA WILL CAUSE THE DRIVE TO FREAK OUT ON CERTAIN TRACKS***. Proof is provided by the following 2 logs: note FUA enabled in 1 and disabled in the other --makes no difference, as long as the cache is detected and displayed. This is why I was asking you if FUA still WORKED when the cache displays a number other than zero. Because if it does, then why the hell would it error out if you never detected the cache in the first place and left it at "NONE", when FUA invalidates the cache anyways? It makes absolutely no sense to me other than to suggest that the software is bugged in some manner when interacting with the PX-716 drives (It does this with all of them, not just 1, so it isn't a drive issue).

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dBpowerAMP Release 12 Alpha 7 Digital Audio Extraction Log from Sunday, October 22, 2006 3:05 PM

Drive & Settings
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Ripping with drive 'I: [PLEXTOR - DVDR PX-716UF 1.10 ]', Drive offset: 30, Overread Lead-in/out: Yes
AccurateRip: Active, Using C2: Yes, Cache: 1173 KB, FUA Cache Invalidate: No
Pass 1 Drive Speed: Max, Pass 2 Drive Speed: Max
Ultra:: Vary Drive Speed: No, Min Passes: 1, Max Passes: 6, Finish After Clean Passes: 1
Bad Sector Re-rip:: Drive Speed: Max, Maximum Re-reads: 700

Encoder: Wave -compression="PCM"

Extraction Log
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Track 9: Ripped LBA 139525 to 155282 (3:30) in 0:23. Filename: K:\DBPWRAMP_EXT_AUDIO\Bass Quake\Bass Quake - Bass After Shock - 09 - Fool 4 Da Bass.wav
Secure [Pass 1, Ultra 1 to 1]
CRC32: 00322FB1



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dBpowerAMP Release 12 Alpha 7 Digital Audio Extraction Log from Sunday, October 22, 2006 3:19 PM

Drive & Settings
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Ripping with drive 'I: [PLEXTOR - DVDR PX-716UF 1.10 ]', Drive offset: 30, Overread Lead-in/out: Yes
AccurateRip: Active, Using C2: Yes, Cache: 1173 KB, FUA Cache Invalidate: Yes
Pass 1 Drive Speed: Max, Pass 2 Drive Speed: Max
Ultra:: Vary Drive Speed: No, Min Passes: 1, Max Passes: 6, Finish After Clean Passes: 1
Bad Sector Re-rip:: Drive Speed: Max, Maximum Re-reads: 700

Encoder: Wave -compression="PCM"

Extraction Log
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Track 9: Ripped LBA 139525 to 155282 (3:30) in 0:23. Filename: K:\DBPWRAMP_EXT_AUDIO\Bass Quake\Bass Quake - Bass After Shock - 09 - Fool 4 Da Bass.wav
Secure [Pass 1, Ultra 1 to 1]
CRC32: 00322FB1


To word this another way: Why does either the combination of the Plextor PX-716 drive and dBpowerAMP *CARE* whether or not the cache was detected and displayed in the field with 1173KB in order to work properly? When it is 100% fact, and well known that these drives support Force Unit Access (as that is the underlying reason for the speed capabilities of Plextools Pro), and FUA disables the cache anyways?
TrueAudio
Fyi

I forgot to add that the C2 errors generated when FUA is enabled without having had first detected the cache only occur on problematic tracks/hard to read/scratched disks etc. Note this log here from before where the entire disc extracted fine but the cache was never set (had this disc had enough scratches it would have resulted in massive re-rip attempts, but even this would have been fixed, had it occurred, if I detected the cache beforehand --lol.


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dBpowerAMP Release 12 Alpha 7 Digital Audio Extraction Log from Thursday, October 19, 2006 7:47 PM

Drive & Settings
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Ripping with drive 'I: [PLEXTOR - DVDR PX-716UF 1.10 ]', Drive offset: 30, Overread Lead-in/out: Yes
AccurateRip: Active, Using C2: Yes, Cache: None, FUA Cache Invalidate: Yes
Pass 1 Drive Speed: Max, Pass 2 Drive Speed: Max
Ultra:: Vary Drive Speed: No, Min Passes: 1, Max Passes: 6, Finish After Clean Passes: 1
Bad Sector Re-rip:: Drive Speed: Max, Maximum Re-reads: 700

Encoder: Wave -compression="PCM"

Extraction Log
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Track 1: Ripped LBA 0 to 24260 (5:23) in 0:16. Filename: K:\DBPWRAMP_EXT_AUDIO\Fiona Apple\Fiona Apple - When the Pawn Hits the Conflicts He Thinks Like a King... - 01 - On the Bound.wav
AccurateRip: Accurate (confidence 24) [Pass 1]
CRC32: 932173EE

Track 2: Ripped LBA 24260 to 40831 (3:40) in 0:10. Filename: K:\DBPWRAMP_EXT_AUDIO\Fiona Apple\Fiona Apple - When the Pawn Hits the Conflicts He Thinks Like a King... - 02 - To Your Love.wav
AccurateRip: Accurate (confidence 23) [Pass 1]
CRC32: 157B81BF

Track 3: Ripped LBA 40831 to 56667 (3:31) in 0:09. Filename: K:\DBPWRAMP_EXT_AUDIO\Fiona Apple\Fiona Apple - When the Pawn Hits the Conflicts He Thinks Like a King... - 03 - Limp.wav
AccurateRip: Accurate (confidence 25) [Pass 1]
CRC32: 454C730E

Track 4: Ripped LBA 56667 to 71878 (3:22) in 0:08. Filename: K:\DBPWRAMP_EXT_AUDIO\Fiona Apple\Fiona Apple - When the Pawn Hits the Conflicts He Thinks Like a King... - 04 - Love Ridden.wav
AccurateRip: Accurate (confidence 25) [Pass 1]
CRC32: 18E02F5A

Track 5: Ripped LBA 71878 to 88422 (3:40) in 0:08. Filename: K:\DBPWRAMP_EXT_AUDIO\Fiona Apple\Fiona Apple - When the Pawn Hits the Conflicts He Thinks Like a King... - 05 - Paper Bag.wav
AccurateRip: Accurate (confidence 25) [Pass 1]
CRC32: E8D29123

Track 6: Ripped LBA 88422 to 110778 (4:58) in 0:10. Filename: K:\DBPWRAMP_EXT_AUDIO\Fiona Apple\Fiona Apple - When the Pawn Hits the Conflicts He Thinks Like a King... - 06 - A Mistake.wav
AccurateRip: Accurate (confidence 25) [Pass 1]
CRC32: 986722EF

Track 7: Ripped LBA 110778 to 131793 (4:40) in 0:09. Filename: K:\DBPWRAMP_EXT_AUDIO\Fiona Apple\Fiona Apple - When the Pawn Hits the Conflicts He Thinks Like a King... - 07 - Fast as You Can.wav
AccurateRip: Accurate (confidence 25) [Pass 1]
CRC32: 178FEE51

Track 8: Ripped LBA 131793 to 151197 (4:18) in 0:08. Filename: K:\DBPWRAMP_EXT_AUDIO\Fiona Apple\Fiona Apple - When the Pawn Hits the Conflicts He Thinks Like a King... - 08 - The Way Things Are.wav
AccurateRip: Accurate (confidence 25) [Pass 1]
CRC32: AD10091D

Track 9: Ripped LBA 151197 to 169999 (4:10) in 0:07. Filename: K:\DBPWRAMP_EXT_AUDIO\Fiona Apple\Fiona Apple - When the Pawn Hits the Conflicts He Thinks Like a King... - 09 - Get Gone.wav
AccurateRip: Accurate (confidence 24) [Pass 1]
CRC32: 3080A536

Track 10: Ripped LBA 169999 to 192160 (4:55) in 0:08. Filename: K:\DBPWRAMP_EXT_AUDIO\Fiona Apple\Fiona Apple - When the Pawn Hits the Conflicts He Thinks Like a King... - 10 - I Know.wav
AccurateRip: Accurate (confidence 21) [Pass 1]
CRC32: F8A6AA66

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10 Tracks Ripped Accurately


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spoon
I notice your rips are all on different days, I am thinking if you were to rip again with FUA and 0kb cache then it would be ok (the code for FUA or cache invalidation is only called if a re-read is needed), on your good rips there are no re-reads needed, hence that would never be called if the drive was working correctly. Also the code for FUA invalidation does not use a cache size, and the cache size is never used if FUA is used.
greynol
QUOTE(greynol @ Oct 20 2006, 14:21) *
A friend of mine is having trouble with the cache and FUA settings and his PX-760A, but this might not have anything to do with spoon's program.

As a follow-up, this problem went away once SPTD was removed from his sytem.
spath
QUOTE(spoon @ Oct 23 2006, 03:13) *

spath might jump in here, it might be implemented differently between drives (heck c2 is far from uniform across drives, I am getting reports from some drives that readcd with LBA will not work with c2, where as readcd MSF with c2 does work), I would have thought correctable ones would not be flagged.

Unfortunately manufacturers have different (at least 3) meanings for their C2 flags, probably
because the MMC specs are not clear enough. The correct definition of these flags is in the
Red Book : it should be calculated based on information coming from both C1 and C2 stages
and it should mark bytes which are wrong _after_ C2 correction, so that the flags can be used
for error concealment. However, even when this calculation is correctly done by the drive,
often some correct bytes will be flagged as wrong due to the CIRC structure (much more often
than an actual error which would not be flagged).
David Lytham
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Track 5:  Ripped LBA 73755 to 93240 (4:19) in 2:11. Filename: K:\- Track 5.wav
  Secure (Warning)  [Pass 1, Ultra 1 to 3, Re-Rip 6 Frames]
  CRC32: 1648C973


What does this warning mean? The log is from a brand new UB40 CD that I have just ripped, all tracks ripped securely apart from this one. I know it means it had to re-rip 6 frames but does this mean I can still treat it as a secure rip?
spoon
It was a warning that frames had to be re-ripped, having a detailed log will show the details of those frames.
David Lytham
I do have R12 set to detailed logging.

Below is the log from the CD in which the warning appeared. I can only see the log if I go into the "Extraction Logs" folder where they are saved as .txt files after ripping. A log dosen't appear after ripping even though I have the "add to information log (shown after ripping)" enabled.

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dBpowerAMP Release 12 Alpha 7 Digital Audio Extraction Log from 29 October 2006 9:12 AM

Drive & Settings
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Ripping with drive 'D: [PLEXTOR - DVDR PX-760A ]', Drive offset: 30, Overread Lead-in/out: No
AccurateRip: Active, Using C2: Yes, Cache: None, FUA Cache Invalidate: Yes
Pass 1 Drive Speed: Max, Pass 2 Drive Speed: Max
Ultra:: Vary Drive Speed: Yes, Min Passes: 3, Max Passes: 6, Finish After Clean Passes: 2
Bad Sector Re-rip:: Drive Speed: Max, Maximum Re-reads: 700

Encoder: Wave -compression="PCM"

Extraction Log
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Track 1: Ripped LBA 0 to 20092 (4:27) in 2:23. Filename: K:\- Track 1.wav
Secure [Pass 1, Ultra 1 to 3]
CRC32: 6AD9328F

Track 2: Ripped LBA 20092 to 39052 (4:12) in 2:12. Filename: K:\- Track 2.wav
Secure [Pass 1, Ultra 1 to 3]
CRC32: CF7C6693

Track 3: Ripped LBA 39052 to 58195 (4:15) in 2:10. Filename: K:\- Track 3.wav
Secure [Pass 1, Ultra 1 to 3]
CRC32: FD28A7B6

Track 4: Ripped LBA 58195 to 73755 (3:27) in 1:45. Filename: K:\- Track 4.wav
Secure [Pass 1, Ultra 1 to 3]
CRC32: 89491ACC

Track 5: Ripped LBA 73755 to 93240 (4:19) in 2:11. Filename: K:\- Track 5.wav
Secure (Warning) [Pass 1, Ultra 1 to 3, Re-Rip 6 Frames]
CRC32: 1648C973

Track 6: Ripped LBA 93240 to 110985 (3:56) in 1:56. Filename: K:\- Track 6.wav
Secure [Pass 1, Ultra 1 to 3]
CRC32: 3CA1725C

Track 7: Ripped LBA 110985 to 136465 (5:39) in 2:43. Filename: K:\- Track 7.wav
Secure [Pass 1, Ultra 1 to 3]
CRC32: 7CB3F329

Track 8: Ripped LBA 136465 to 157900 (4:45) in 2:16. Filename: K:\- Track 8.wav
Secure [Pass 1, Ultra 1 to 3]
CRC32: 6842FE2A

Track 9: Ripped LBA 157900 to 173452 (3:27) in 1:40. Filename: K:\- Track 9.wav
Secure [Pass 1, Ultra 1 to 3]
CRC32: 28E278ED

Track 10: Ripped LBA 173452 to 187950 (3:13) in 1:33. Filename: K:\- Track 10.wav
Secure [Pass 1, Ultra 1 to 3]
CRC32: 7D382BA7

Track 11: Ripped LBA 187950 to 207185 (4:16) in 2:01. Filename: K:\- Track 11.wav
Secure [Pass 1, Ultra 1 to 3]
CRC32: 53D3CBBE

Track 12: Ripped LBA 207185 to 221837 (3:15) in 1:33. Filename: K:\- Track 12.wav
Secure [Pass 1, Ultra 1 to 3]
CRC32: 8D351B78

Track 13: Ripped LBA 221837 to 248650 (5:57) in 2:45. Filename: K:\- Track 13.wav
Secure [Pass 1, Ultra 1 to 3]
CRC32: E0D2DBB5

Track 14: Ripped LBA 248650 to 271630 (5:06) in 2:22. Filename: K:\- Track 14.wav
Secure [Pass 1, Ultra 1 to 3]
CRC32: C3BA7C88

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14 Tracks Ripped: 13 Secure, 1 Secure (Warning)
spoon
Sorry I meant the 'complete' setting. Anyhow, it is just a warning because a re-rip was required, if it was an error that got through it would have got past your C2 and re-rip (4 times with ultra), so very unlikely.
David Lytham
QUOTE(spoon @ Oct 29 2006, 19:05) *

Sorry I meant the 'complete' setting. Anyhow, it is just a warning because a re-rip was required, if it was an error that got through it would have got past your C2 and re-rip (4 times with ultra), so very unlikely.


Thanks for clearing that up Spoon smile.gif

I understand what you mean now. Basically the log will report if there was an un-recoverable error, in this case the audio was extracted accurately. The log was just telling me that the frame had to be re-ripped but extracted OK.
Spare Tire
Q1: Hi, sorry if i'm incompetent and don't know how to configure this right or if it's really like this... but is there a way to configure offset manually? In the option panel for the sample offset, i only see (accuraterip find) and a reset to zero button. Maybe this option isn't available, but then there are users out there (i'm thinking international users) who don't have those "popular" CDs that might be in the database, we'd like to be able to use the default value of the drive, since that's given at http://www.accuraterip.com/driveoffsets.htm anyways.

Q2: I installed the generic CLI, ran the GenCLICreator.exe to add a commandline encoder, and added it. But then nothing changed in dbpoweramp cd ripper. Where is the encoder supposed to show up?
"The Shown Name is the title that dMC will use in its right click menu" is what's written in the tutorial, but what right click menu? I right click inside dmc cd ripper and nothing of such appear.

Q3: Will there be a standalone execute version (one that you don't have to install) like EAC has a zip file with the program all there. It'd be nice for people who cary the app on a memory stick with them and rip with whatever computer they come accross.

Thanks.
spoon
Only AccurateRip can configure the offset. People from all around the world contribute to the database so popular cds from any culture should be in (and you will just need 1 cd if it matches the one already in the database).

Generic CLI is for the R11.5 (from Codec Central), not compatible with R12 (where you downloaded R12 there is an CLI Encoder).

Q3, it would run from a memory stick - install it to the memory stick, but you wouldn't have offsets configured.
greynol