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greynol

Jan 10 2007, 15:28

QUOTE(spoon @ Jan 10 2007, 12:21)

As a side note, I have c2 working over usb, will release test version shortly, a bonus - EAC would not run my Plextor 230a over usb with c2 (other drives yes, but not this plextor( - I have found a way to squeeze c2 out of it!

Still no C2 with my Sony CDU5221 when using your program but it works with EAC.

...no, it isn't a USB drive.

Sebastian Mares

Jan 10 2007, 15:45

BTW, what is dBpowerAMP R12 going to cost - $14 like the current version? If I get a license now, would I still be able to use it with R12?

greynol

Jan 10 2007, 16:45

Currently there are three versions available. It looks like $14 is not going to buy you the ability to use Ultra Secure Passes or to change the C2, FUA or cache settings.

Spoon promised a breakdown of the differences but I haven't seen it yet.

spoon

Jan 10 2007, 16:48

Pricing is shown on this post:

http://forum.dbpoweramp.com/showpost.php?p...mp;postcount=20

Sebastian Mares

Jan 10 2007, 17:13

I don't understand what is meant by "power pack a one off for life updates".

Teknojnky

Jan 10 2007, 17:20

The new(er) proposed pricing scheme is confusing and still doesn't seem very consumer friendly.

IMO of course.

- Free version = basic ripper, mp3 encoding/explorer info/columns expires, no ultrasecure or other 'advanced' options (to include logging and dynamic naming)

- power pack version = basic rippper, unlimited mp3 encoding, explorer info/columns... still no ultra secure/advanced options

- 'reference' version = full ripper/converter, doesn't include other apps (sveta/burner), free updates until next major version (ie R13 will not be free I assume)

That's my interpretation of available information.

spoon

Jan 10 2007, 17:22

That means if you bought the Power Pack with R2, R3, R4... of dBpowerAMP you can upgrade to R12 with the latest PP features.

Sebastian Mares

Jan 10 2007, 17:33

Ah, OK. Can one purchase the new license now already?

spoon

Jan 11 2007, 03:24

Not yet.

guruboolez

Jan 11 2007, 04:24

Hello, I just tried to rip my first CD with my new computer using v.12 'reference', secure mode and CLI encoder (flac 1.1.3: -8 -V -P 16000 - -o [outfile]).
Some tracks weren't encoded at all. The console reports this error:

CODE

Error ripping to CLI Encoder, 'Track 4' to 'C:\Documents and Settings\Francis\Mes documents\Ma musique\Collegium Vocale\Peter Kooy - J.S. Bach; Cantatas 39, 73, 93, 105, 107, 131 Disc 2 - 04 - Cantata No. 39, 'Brich dem Hungrigen dein Brot,' BWV 39 (BC A96); Wohlzutun und mitzuteilen.flac'
   Error writing audio data to StdIn Pipe  [clEncoder::EncodeBlock]
   
Error ripping to CLI Encoder, 'Track 5' to 'C:\Documents and Settings\Francis\Mes documents\Ma musique\Collegium Vocale\Peter Kooy - J.S. Bach; Cantatas 39, 73, 93, 105, 107, 131 Disc 2 - 05 - Cantata No. 39, 'Brich dem Hungrigen dein Brot,' BWV 39 (BC A96); Höchster, was ich habe.flac'
   Error writing audio data to StdIn Pipe  [clEncoder::EncodeBlock]
   
Error ripping to CLI Encoder, 'Track 6' to 'C:\Documents and Settings\Francis\Mes documents\Ma musique\Collegium Vocale\Peter Kooy - J.S. Bach; Cantatas 39, 73, 93, 105, 107, 131 Disc 2 - 06 - Cantata No. 39, 'Brich dem Hungrigen dein Brot,' BWV 39 (BC A96); Wie soll ich dir, o Herr!.flac'
   Error writing audio data to StdIn Pipe  [clEncoder::EncodeBlock]
   
Error ripping to CLI Encoder, 'Track 16' to 'C:\Documents and Settings\Francis\Mes documents\Ma musique\Collegium Vocale\Peter Kooy - J.S. Bach; Cantatas 39, 73, 93, 105, 107, 131 Disc 2 - 16 - Cantata No. 107, 'Was willst du dich betrüben,' BWV 107 (BC A109); Denn Gott verlässet keinen.flac'
   Error writing audio data to StdIn Pipe  [clEncoder::EncodeBlock]
   
Error ripping to CLI Encoder, 'Track 17' to 'C:\Documents and Settings\Francis\Mes documents\Ma musique\Collegium Vocale\Peter Kooy - J.S. Bach; Cantatas 39, 73, 93, 105, 107, 131 Disc 2 - 17 - Cantata No. 107, 'Was willst du dich betrüben,' BWV 107 (BC A109); Auf ihn magst du es wagen.flac'
   Error writing audio data to StdIn Pipe  [clEncoder::EncodeBlock]
   
Error ripping to CLI Encoder, 'Track 19' to 'C:\Documents and Settings\Francis\Mes documents\Ma musique\Collegium Vocale\Peter Kooy - J.S. Bach; Cantatas 39, 73, 93, 105, 107, 131 Disc 2 - 19 - Cantata No. 107, 'Was willst du dich betrüben,' BWV 107 (BC A109); Er richt's zu seinen Ehren.flac'
   Error writing audio data to StdIn Pipe  [clEncoder::EncodeBlock]
   
Error ripping to CLI Encoder, 'Track 21' to 'C:\Documents and Settings\Francis\Mes documents\Ma musique\Collegium Vocale\Peter Kooy - J.S. Bach; Cantatas 39, 73, 93, 105, 107, 131 Disc 2 - 21 - Cantata No. 107, 'Was willst du dich betrüben,' BWV 107 (BC A109); Herr, gib, daß ich dein Ehre.flac'
   Track Ripped Insecurely.
   
Error ripping to CLI Encoder, 'Track 20' to 'C:\Documents and Settings\Francis\Mes documents\Ma musique\Collegium Vocale\Peter Kooy - J.S. Bach; Cantatas 39, 73, 93, 105, 107, 131 Disc 2 - 20 - Cantata No. 107, 'Was willst du dich betrüben,' BWV 107 (BC A109); Darum ich mich ihn ergebe.flac'
   Error writing audio data to StdIn Pipe  [clEncoder::EncodeBlock]

I don't understand this message. Could someone enlight me? Thanks

EDIT: for each track it does:
1/ pass 1
2/ secure 1
3/ error (a 0 kbps flac with the correct name is created)

EDIT2:
Ripped the missing tracks again, and some were properly encoded but not all

EDIT3:
After several trials all tracks were encoded. But didn't change any option nor filename...

guruboolez

Jan 11 2007, 05:48

Another question: are EAC and DBPowerAmp CRC for identical tracks/stream supposed to be the same? I just compare the same track, ripped with DBPA in ultra-secure mode and then with EAC.
Results:

DBPA trial#1

CODE

Track 21:  Ripped LBA 265980 to 275160 (2:02) in 0:37. Filename: C:\Documents and Settings\Francis\Mes documents\Ma musique\Collegium Vocale\Peter Kooy - J.S. Bach; Cantatas 39, 73, 93, 105, 107, 131 Disc 2 - 21 - Cantata No. 107, 'Was willst du dich betrüben,' BWV 107 (BC A109); Herr, gib, daß ich dein Ehre.flac
  Secure (Warning)  [Pass 1, Ultra 1 to 2, Re-Rip 182 Frames]
  CRC32: B574659C

=> there were corrected errors (but disc isn't scratched at all: it's a new one)
Then I ripped it again:

DBPA trail#2

CODE

Track 21:  Ripped LBA 265980 to 275160 (2:02) in 0:47. Filename: C:\Documents and Settings\Francis\Mes documents\Ma musique\Collegium Vocale\Peter Kooy - J.S. Bach; Cantatas 39, 73, 93, 105, 107, 131 Disc 2 - 21 - Cantata No. 107, 'Was willst du dich betrüben,' BWV 107 (BC A109); Herr, gib, daß ich dein Ehre.flac
  Insecure  [Pass 1, Ultra 1 to 6, Re-Rip 290 Frames]
  CRC32: B574659C
    Insecure Audio from 00:01:48,040 to 00:01:48,320

=> more corrected errors, but the CRC is identical to the first trial.

Now EAC Secure + Test & Copy:

CODE

Track 21
     Filename C:\EAC\PhilippeH CollegVocaleGhent\Kantaten (BWV 39,93,107) CD2\21. Was willst du dich betrüben -VII- Herr, gib, das ich in dein Ehre.wav

     Peak level 48.6 %
     Track quality 99.8 %
     Test CRC BBDCABB3
     Copy CRC 00F15C87
     Copy OK

No errors occured

EAC doesn't detect any error, but I got two different CRC: one for the test and another one for the copy. And none of them correspond to DBPowerAmp's CRC. Both files should as a consequence be different.

To check this difference I used foobar2000 bit-comparator tool:

CODE

Comparing:
"C:\Documents and Settings\Francis\Mes documents\Ma musique\Bach\21 - Cantata No. 107, 'Was willst du dich betrüben,' BWV 107 (BC A109); Herr, gib, daß ich dein Ehre.flac"
"C:\EAC\PhilippeH CollegVocaleGhent\Kantaten (BWV 39,93,107) CD2\21. Was willst du dich betrüben -VII- Herr, gib, das ich in dein Ehre.flac"
No differences in decoded data found.

Streams are therefore bit-identical but CRC reported by EAC and DBPowerAmp aren't the same

I suspected foobar2000 tool to be buggy, but a mixed-pasted comparison on Audition doesn't show any different bit between both rips.
Was this already reported? I didn't closely followed the development of this (nice) tool.

evereux

Jan 11 2007, 05:59

QUOTE(evereux @ Jan 10 2007, 18:31)

I have a copy protected disc I can't rip in secure mode. I'd like to disable C2 but can't. Burst mode results in consistent CRCs yet there is still no burst mode logging it seems.

I've just successfully ripped the CD in Secure Mode with no C2. I gave up trying to rip with EAC in secure mode and no C2; EAC would become unresponsive and take too long per track.

guruboolez, you can see the differing CRCs if you use AccurateRip dll with EAC too. I'm pretty sure the way the values are calculated is different.

edit: http://www.hydrogenaudio.org/forums/index....showtopic=24045

guruboolez

Jan 11 2007, 06:13

I'm a complete newbie with AccurateRip: I used it with EAC today for the first time. But I can't see any difference, excepted for the "send accuraterip results..." menu in \Database. I don't understand. Is it because I didn't manually set the read offset and let it to zero?

Anyway, all tracks ripped with EAC and with DBPA have different CRC but are all bit-to-bit identical.

EDIT: thank you for the link. It explains why CRC can't be compared.
My only problem is the "Error writing audio data to StdIn Pipe [clEncoder::EncodeBlock]" error.

spoon

Jan 11 2007, 07:01

EAC and dBpowerAMP will both display the same CRC if you enable the EAC option to use NULL samples for CRC calculation.

AccurateRip uses a different crc calculation routine.

Which encoder was being used with stdout?

kwanbis

Jan 11 2007, 07:06

QUOTE(spoon @ Jan 10 2007, 23:22)

That means if you bought the Power Pack with R2, R3, R4... of dBpowerAMP you can upgrade to R12 with the latest PP features.

but aparently, the features of PP v12 would be less than PP v11.

spoon

Jan 11 2007, 07:20

In what way? on a complete rewrite obviously there will be details overlooked, which we will try to correct, R12 adds plenty of extra PP features (such as live dsp effects and secure ripper).

guruboolez

Jan 11 2007, 07:23

spoon:
flac 1.1.3 -8 -V -P 16000 - -o [outfile]

kwanbis

Jan 11 2007, 07:59

QUOTE(spoon @ Jan 11 2007, 13:20)

In what way? on a complete rewrite obviously there will be details overlooked, which we will try to correct, R12 adds plenty of extra PP features (such as live dsp effects and secure ripper).

AFAIK, security measures would be only on "reference"? As you can see it's still a little confusing right now. It's just my understanding.

QUOTE(Teknojnky @ Jan 10 2007, 23:20)

- Free version = basic ripper, mp3 encoding/explorer info/columns expires, no ultrasecure or other 'advanced' options (to include logging and dynamic naming)

- power pack version = basic rippper, unlimited mp3 encoding, explorer info/columns... still no ultra secure/advanced options

- 'reference' version = full ripper/converter, doesn't include other apps (sveta/burner), free updates until next major version (ie R13 will not be free I assume)

That's my interpretation of available information.

spoon

Jan 11 2007, 14:51

c2 over usb can be downloaded here:

http://forum.dbpoweramp.com/showpost.php?p...mp;postcount=25

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@guruboolez

There could be a discrepancy between flac and dbpoweramp and stdio pipes, try either using a temporary wave file (a guess at the command line):

flac 1.1.3 -8 -V -P 16000 -i [infile] -o [outfile]

Or use dbpoweramps r12 native flac encoder.

-----------

@kwanbis

There are a few tiny PP items missing from R12, but these are going to be implemented in DSP effects / actions so do not need to delay r12 from shipping.

The Power Pack will have secure ripping, cache elmination, Reference will be ultra secure with c2 pointers and FUA.

singaiya

Jan 11 2007, 15:21

QUOTE(guruboolez @ Jan 11 2007, 02:24)

Hello, I just tried to rip my first CD with my new computer using v.12 'reference', secure mode and CLI encoder (flac 1.1.3: -8 -V -P 16000 - -o [outfile]).
Some tracks weren't encoded at all.

I had the same experience with the CLI encoder when encoding to itunes AAC via itunesencode. About every other song was not encoded. A re-rip of the missed tracks still resulted in only about half of that second set being encoded.

kwanbis

Jan 11 2007, 20:10

QUOTE(spoon @ Jan 11 2007, 20:51)

The Power Pack will have secure ripping, cache elmination, Reference will be ultra secure with c2 pointers and FUA.

excelent. I really like dbpoweramp

spoon

Jan 12 2007, 07:34

I thought the itunesencode used temporary wave files rather than stdio.

kwanbis

Jan 12 2007, 09:09

QUOTE(spoon @ Jan 11 2007, 20:51)

The Power Pack will have secure ripping, cache elmination, Reference will be ultra secure with c2 pointers and FUA.

so PP would be like today, and reference would introduce a better, more secure ripping process, right? (i re-read your note).

singaiya

Jan 12 2007, 09:32

QUOTE(spoon @ Jan 12 2007, 05:34)

I thought the itunesencode used temporary wave files rather than stdio.

I thought so too. This is my command line in R12:
-e "AAC Encoder" -a "[artist]" -l "[album]" -t "[title]" -g "[genre]" -y [year] -n [track] -i [infile] -o [outfile]

Is there an different way to write this that will make use of temp files? All files encode normally using itunesencode from EAC.

MedO

Jan 12 2007, 10:10

One thing I don't get, I thought the Power Pack doesn't allow ripping with C2 pointers. Then why is there an update for this version for c2 over usb?

Edit: Well, I'm testing C2 over USB right now and it seems to work without trouble. Great work Spoon!

spockman

Jan 14 2007, 20:01

I noticed this problem has occurred to others before but not sure if a solution was found. I am trying to use my USB connected drive to rip CD's but at some point the drive "disappears". That is, it is no longer available to R12 and no longer exists in windows explorer. If I disconnect and re-connect the drive it reappears (in windows at least). I don't have this problem with EAC. Error information as follows:

QUOTE

Information ripping to mp3 (Lame), 'Track 2' to 'G:\Albums\12th Man - 2006 - Boned!\Disc 1\02 The Golf Course.mp3'
Track 2: Ripped LBA 27924 to 35911 (1:46) in 0:05. Filename: G:\Albums\12th Man - 2006 - Boned!\Disc 1\02 The Golf Course.mp3
AccurateRip: Accurate (confidence 1) [Pass 1]
CRC32: CBA8AD61

Information ripping to mp3 (Lame), 'Track 1' to 'G:\Albums\12th Man - 2006 - Boned!\Disc 1\01 The Boning.mp3'
Track 1: Ripped LBA 0 to 27924 (6:12) in 0:22. Filename: G:\Albums\12th Man - 2006 - Boned!\Disc 1\01 The Boning.mp3
AccurateRip: Accurate (confidence 1) [Pass 1]
CRC32: 4D1F0056

Information ripping to mp3 (Lame), 'Track 3' to 'G:\Albums\12th Man - 2006 - Boned!\Disc 1\03 The Dream.mp3'
Track 3: Ripped LBA 35911 to 63622 (6:09) in 0:22. Filename: G:\Albums\12th Man - 2006 - Boned!\Disc 1\03 The Dream.mp3
AccurateRip: Accurate (confidence 1) [Pass 1]
CRC32: E12F5E3B

Information ripping to mp3 (Lame), 'Track 5' to 'G:\Albums\12th Man - 2006 - Boned!\Disc 1\05 The Shithole 1.mp3'
Track 5: ERROR Ripping LBA 108143 to 126572 (4:05) in 0:10. Filename: G:\Albums\12th Man - 2006 - Boned!\Disc 1\05 The Shithole 1.mp3
Unable to read CD, check CD disc (frame LBA 108195 ripping 26 frames track end LBA 126572)

Information ripping to mp3 (Lame), 'Track 6' to 'G:\Albums\12th Man - 2006 - Boned!\Disc 1\06 Alan Jones Radio Show.mp3'
Track 6: ERROR Ripping LBA 126572 to 169957 (9:38) in 0:00. Filename: G:\Albums\12th Man - 2006 - Boned!\Disc 1\06 Alan Jones Radio Show.mp3
Unable to read CD, check CD disc (frame LBA 126572 ripping 26 frames track end LBA 169957)

Information ripping to mp3 (Lame), 'Track 7' to 'G:\Albums\12th Man - 2006 - Boned!\Disc 1\07 The Shithole 2.mp3'
Track 7: ERROR Ripping LBA 169957 to 210004 (8:53) in 0:00. Filename: G:\Albums\12th Man - 2006 - Boned!\Disc 1\07 The Shithole 2.mp3
Unable to read CD, check CD disc (frame LBA 169957 ripping 26 frames track end LBA 210004)

Information ripping to mp3 (Lame), 'Track 8' to 'G:\Albums\12th Man - 2006 - Boned!\Disc 1\08 The Gabba.mp3'
Track 8: ERROR Ripping LBA 210004 to 349080 (30:54) in 0:00. Filename: G:\Albums\12th Man - 2006 - Boned!\Disc 1\08 The Gabba.mp3
Unable to read CD, check CD disc (frame LBA 210004 ripping 26 frames track end LBA 349080)

Information ripping to mp3 (Lame), 'Track 4' to 'G:\Albums\12th Man - 2006 - Boned!\Disc 1\04 Team Meeting 1.mp3'
Track 4: Ripped LBA 63622 to 108143 (9:53) in 0:32. Filename: G:\Albums\12th Man - 2006 - Boned!\Disc 1\04 Team Meeting 1.mp3
AccurateRip: Accurate (confidence 1) [Pass 1]
CRC32: 4D3A7969

Can anyone help?

spockman.

singaiya

Jan 14 2007, 20:09

I updated my drive's firmware and then my drive stopped disappearing. But then it wouldn't burn DVDs anymore (CDRs were ok). Luckily there was an intermediate firmware that I could go to where everything worked -- both the disappearing issue and DVD burning issues were gone.

spockman

Jan 14 2007, 21:10

Thanks singaiya. I've just updated the firmware but alas I still have the same problem. Back to EAC for now....

Sebastian Mares

Jan 15 2007, 15:11

Seems that I am having problems with Plextor PX-230A connected over USB. I am able to rip with EAC in secure mode all the time, but with dBpowerAMP, sometime it works, but most of the time it doesn't. The drive spins up a bit but the progress bar of the first track remains at 0 and after a couple of minutes, I get an error that reading at LBA 1 or something like that failed.

Edit: Log:

Error ripping to WavPack, 'Track 1' to 'C:\Dokumente und Einstellungen\Sebastian\Eigene Dateien\Eigene Musik\Verschiedene\Die Hit Giganten - Disco Hits\Disc 2\01 Patrick Hernandez - Born To Be Alive.wv'
Unable to read CD, check CD disc (frame LBA 1 ripping 26 frames track end LBA 14405) [clRipperSecure::Rip]

Don't have this problem with my LG E10L that is an external unit by design.

Another funny thing is that dBpowerAMP doesn't recognize that a CD was ejected or inserted when using the PX-230A. I will try with the unit connected via IDE once my new Seagate HDD is here.

Teknojnky

Jan 15 2007, 15:16

@ Sebastian Mares, try disabling C2 for that drive and see if that makes a difference.

http://forum.dbpoweramp.com/showpost.php?p...p;postcount=458

Sebastian Mares

Jan 15 2007, 15:53

You're the man, you're the man...

evereux

Jan 25 2007, 14:01

Just noticed today: "Final R12 Release"

http://forum.dbpoweramp.com/showthread.php?t=9739

evereux

Jan 26 2007, 05:46

I have a disc that EAC and Plextools can rip, but dbPowerAmp can not. This disc is not copy protected. Plextools positively flew through the disc, taking ~9 mins for two rips while EAC took just over 20 to Test and Copy.

Plextor PX-708A
EAC: Secure mode, C2.
Plextools: Secure (Recover the best sectors (least errors). CD ripped twice and binary file compare carried out to ensure consistency. Also compared output to EAC, they were identical.
dbPowerAmp Secure mode, C2. No C2 and Burst mode at a reduced speed showed the same problems, no log to show for bust mode.

EAC log

CODE

EAC extraction logfile from 26. January 2007, 11:20 for CD
Robert Palmer / Don't Explain C2

Used drive  : PLEXTOR DVDR   PX-708A   Adapter: 1  ID: 0
Read mode   : Secure with C2, accurate stream, disable cache
Combined read/write offset correction : 0
Overread into Lead-In and Lead-Out : Yes

Used output format : Internal WAV Routines
                     44.100 Hz; 16 Bit; Stereo

Other options      : 
    Fill up missing offset samples with silence : Yes
    Delete leading and trailing silent blocks : No
    Native Win32 interface for Win NT & 2000


Track  1
     Filename N:\converted\tracks\Don't Explain C2\Robert Palmer (1990) Don't Explain C2\01. Your Mother Should Have Told You.wav

     Peak level 99.9 %
     Track quality 100.0 %
     Test CRC 3E6590C9
     Copy CRC 3E6590C9
     Copy OK

Track  2
     Filename N:\converted\tracks\Don't Explain C2\Robert Palmer (1990) Don't Explain C2\02. Light-years.wav

     Peak level 100.0 %
     Track quality 100.0 %
     Test CRC E55BAFC7
     Copy CRC E55BAFC7
     Copy OK

Track  3
     Filename N:\converted\tracks\Don't Explain C2\Robert Palmer (1990) Don't Explain C2\03. You Can't Get Enough Of A Good Thing.wav

     Peak level 100.0 %
     Track quality 100.0 %
     Test CRC 5F09C77A
     Copy CRC 5F09C77A
     Copy OK

Track  4
     Filename N:\converted\tracks\Don't Explain C2\Robert Palmer (1990) Don't Explain C2\04. Dreams To Remember.wav

     Peak level 93.9 %
     Track quality 100.0 %
     Test CRC C76CEB2F
     Copy CRC C76CEB2F
     Copy OK

Track  5
     Filename N:\converted\tracks\Don't Explain C2\Robert Palmer (1990) Don't Explain C2\05. You're Amazing.wav

     Peak level 91.8 %
     Track quality 99.9 %
     Test CRC 0FD27E2F
     Copy CRC 0FD27E2F
     Copy OK

Track  6
     Filename N:\converted\tracks\Don't Explain C2\Robert Palmer (1990) Don't Explain C2\06. Mess Around.wav

     Peak level 100.0 %
     Track quality 100.0 %
     Test CRC 16367978
     Copy CRC 16367978
     Copy OK

Track  7
     Filename N:\converted\tracks\Don't Explain C2\Robert Palmer (1990) Don't Explain C2\07. Happiness.wav

     Peak level 99.9 %
     Track quality 100.0 %
     Test CRC F8456CA2
     Copy CRC F8456CA2
     Copy OK

Track  8
     Filename N:\converted\tracks\Don't Explain C2\Robert Palmer (1990) Don't Explain C2\08. History.wav

     Peak level 100.0 %
     Track quality 100.0 %
     Test CRC 1674D5F2
     Copy CRC 1674D5F2
     Copy OK

Track  9
     Filename N:\converted\tracks\Don't Explain C2\Robert Palmer (1990) Don't Explain C2\09. I'll Be Your Baby Tonight.wav

     Peak level 100.0 %
     Track quality 100.0 %
     Test CRC A615F8C4
     Copy CRC A615F8C4
     Copy OK

Track 10
     Filename N:\converted\tracks\Don't Explain C2\Robert Palmer (1990) Don't Explain C2\10. Housework.wav

     Peak level 100.0 %
     Track quality 100.0 %
     Test CRC 2406D485
     Copy CRC 2406D485
     Copy OK

Track 11
     Filename N:\converted\tracks\Don't Explain C2\Robert Palmer (1990) Don't Explain C2\11. Mercy Mercy Me , I Want You.wav

     Peak level 100.0 %
     Track quality 100.0 %
     Test CRC CE777039
     Copy CRC CE777039
     Copy OK

Track 12
     Filename N:\converted\tracks\Don't Explain C2\Robert Palmer (1990) Don't Explain C2\12. Don't Explain.wav

     Peak level 75.9 %
     Track quality 100.0 %
     Test CRC 8A2CF353
     Copy CRC 8A2CF353
     Copy OK

Track 13
     Filename N:\converted\tracks\Don't Explain C2\Robert Palmer (1990) Don't Explain C2\13. Aeroplane.wav

     Peak level 100.0 %
     Track quality 100.0 %
     Test CRC 6CE0823E
     Copy CRC 6CE0823E
     Copy OK

Track 14
     Filename N:\converted\tracks\Don't Explain C2\Robert Palmer (1990) Don't Explain C2\14. People Will Say We're In Love.wav

     Peak level 99.9 %
     Track quality 99.8 %
     Test CRC BB1148EB
     Copy CRC BB1148EB
     Copy OK

Track 15
     Filename N:\converted\tracks\Don't Explain C2\Robert Palmer (1990) Don't Explain C2\15. Not A Word.wav

     Peak level 83.3 %
     Track quality 99.9 %
     Test CRC B8383435
     Copy CRC B8383435
     Copy OK

Track 16
     Filename N:\converted\tracks\Don't Explain C2\Robert Palmer (1990) Don't Explain C2\16. Top 40.wav

     Peak level 100.0 %
     Track quality 100.0 %
     Test CRC 23B52435
     Copy CRC 23B52435
     Copy OK

Track 17
     Filename N:\converted\tracks\Don't Explain C2\Robert Palmer (1990) Don't Explain C2\17. You're So Desirable.wav

     Peak level 100.0 %
     Track quality 100.0 %
     Test CRC 9C587A50
     Copy CRC 9C587A50
     Copy OK

Track 18
     Filename N:\converted\tracks\Don't Explain C2\Robert Palmer (1990) Don't Explain C2\18. You're My Thrill.wav

     Peak level 95.8 %
     Track quality 100.0 %
     Test CRC D6BA6C95
     Copy CRC D6BA6C95
     Copy OK

No errors occured


End of status report

dbPowerAmp log, see tracks 1, 11, 12 and 16

CODE

dBpoweramp Release 12 Digital Audio Extraction Log from 25 January 2007 8:13 PM

Drive & Settings
----------------

Ripping with drive 'F:   [PLEXTOR  - DVDR   PX-708A  ]',  Drive offset: 30,  Overread Lead-in/out: Yes
AccurateRip: Active,  Using C2: Yes,  Cache: 583 KB,  FUA Cache Invalidate: Yes
Pass 1 Drive Speed: Max,  Pass 2 Drive Speed: 4
Ultra::  Vary Drive Speed: Yes,  Min Passes: 2,  Max Passes: 10,  Finish After Clean Passes: 2
Bad Sector Re-rip::  Drive Speed: Max,  Maximum Re-reads: 34

Encoder: WavPack 

Extraction Log
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Track 1:  ERROR Ripping LBA 0 to 16547 (3:40) in 2:14. Filename: N:\converted\tracks\Don't Explain (2003)\01. Your Mother Should Have Told You.wv
Unable to read CD, check CD disc (frame LBA 12324  ripping 26 frames   track end LBA 16547)

Track 2:  Ripped LBA 16547 to 36535 (4:26) in 1:59. Filename: N:\converted\tracks\Don't Explain (2003)\02. Light Years.wv
  Secure  [Pass 1, Ultra 1 to 2]
  CRC32: EB081ADE

Track 3:  Ripped LBA 36535 to 55140 (4:08) in 1:50. Filename: N:\converted\tracks\Don't Explain (2003)\03. You Can't Get Enough Of A Good Thing.wv
  Secure  [Pass 1, Ultra 1 to 2]
  CRC32: 653C577C

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User Stopped Ripping


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dBpoweramp Release 12 Digital Audio Extraction Log from 26 January 2007 9:27 AM

Drive & Settings
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Ripping with drive 'F:   [PLEXTOR  - DVDR   PX-708A  ]',  Drive offset: 30,  Overread Lead-in/out: Yes
AccurateRip: Active,  Using C2: Yes,  Cache: 583 KB,  FUA Cache Invalidate: Yes
Pass 1 Drive Speed: Max,  Pass 2 Drive Speed: 4
Ultra::  Vary Drive Speed: Yes,  Min Passes: 2,  Max Passes: 10,  Finish After Clean Passes: 2
Bad Sector Re-rip::  Drive Speed: Max,  Maximum Re-reads: 34

Encoder: WavPack 

Extraction Log
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Track 1:  ERROR Ripping LBA 0 to 16547 (3:40) in 1:58. Filename: N:\converted\tracks\Don't Explain (2003)\01. Your Mother Should Have Told You.wv
Unable to read CD, check CD disc (frame LBA 12376  ripping 26 frames   track end LBA 16547)

Track 2:  Ripped LBA 16547 to 36535 (4:26) in 2:00. Filename: N:\converted\tracks\Don't Explain (2003)\02. Light Years.wv
  Secure  [Pass 1, Ultra 1 to 2]
  CRC32: EB081ADE

Track 3:  Ripped LBA 36535 to 55140 (4:08) in 1:50. Filename: N:\converted\tracks\Don't Explain (2003)\03. You Can't Get Enough Of A Good Thing.wv
  Secure  [Pass 1, Ultra 1 to 2]
  CRC32: 653C577C

Track 4:  Ripped LBA 55140 to 75007 (4:24) in 1:58. Filename: N:\converted\tracks\Don't Explain (2003)\04. Dreams To Remember.wv
  Secure  [Pass 1, Ultra 1 to 2]
  CRC32: FE37D474

Track 5:  Ripped LBA 75007 to 92192 (3:49) in 1:44. Filename: N:\converted\tracks\Don't Explain (2003)\05. You're Amazing.wv
  Secure  [Pass 1, Ultra 1 to 2]
  CRC32: 4D71C234

Track 6:  Ripped LBA 92192 to 113977 (4:50) in 2:27. Filename: N:\converted\tracks\Don't Explain (2003)\06. Mess Around.wv
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Track 8:  Ripped LBA 126887 to 147287 (4:32) in 2:01. Filename: N:\converted\tracks\Don't Explain (2003)\08. History.wv
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Track 9:  Ripped LBA 147287 to 162700 (3:25) in 1:32. Filename: N:\converted\tracks\Don't Explain (2003)\09. I'll Be Your Baby Tonight.wv
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Track 10:  Ripped LBA 162700 to 177117 (3:12) in 1:26. Filename: N:\converted\tracks\Don't Explain (2003)\10. Housework.wv
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Track 11:  ERROR Ripping LBA 177117 to 204042 (5:59) in 2:56. Filename: N:\converted\tracks\Don't Explain (2003)\11. Mercy Mercy Me-I Want You.wv
Unable to read CD, check CD disc (frame LBA 200907  ripping 26 frames   track end LBA 204042)

Track 12:  ERROR Ripping LBA 204042 to 215122 (2:27) in 0:47. Filename: N:\converted\tracks\Don't Explain (2003)\12. Don't Explain.wv
Unable to read CD, check CD disc (frame LBA 205966  ripping 26 frames   track end LBA 215122)

Track 13:  Ripped LBA 215122 to 228960 (3:04) in 1:23. Filename: N:\converted\tracks\Don't Explain (2003)\13. Aeroplane.wv
  Secure  [Pass 1, Ultra 1 to 2]
  CRC32: 9A6CBE72

Track 14:  Ripped LBA 228960 to 239430 (2:19) in 1:03. Filename: N:\converted\tracks\Don't Explain (2003)\14. People Will Say We're in Love.wv
  Secure  [Pass 1, Ultra 1 to 2]
  CRC32: D0985B5B

Track 15:  Ripped LBA 239430 to 258815 (4:18) in 1:55. Filename: N:\converted\tracks\Don't Explain (2003)\15. Not a Word.wv
  Secure  [Pass 1, Ultra 1 to 2]
  CRC32: 55DDFDDA

Track 16:  ERROR Ripping LBA 258815 to 270777 (2:39) in 0:44. Filename: N:\converted\tracks\Don't Explain (2003)\16. Top 40.wv
Unable to read CD, check CD disc (frame LBA 259855  ripping 26 frames   track end LBA 270777)

Track 17:  Ripped LBA 270777 to 281620 (2:24) in 1:06. Filename: N:\converted\tracks\Don't Explain (2003)\17. You're So Desirable.wv
  Secure  [Pass 1, Ultra 1 to 2]
  CRC32: 46C47FD1

Track 18:  Ripped LBA 281620 to 299485 (3:58) in 1:46. Filename: N:\converted\tracks\Don't Explain (2003)\18. You're My Thrill.wv
  Secure  [Pass 1, Ultra 1 to 2]
  CRC32: C0D877B7

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18 Tracks Ripped: 13 Secure, 1 Secure (Warning), 0 Could Not Be Ripped

Anything I can try here spoon?

spoon

Jan 26 2007, 06:03

Try disabling c2.

evereux

Jan 26 2007, 06:11

My post states that disabling C2 did not help.

no C2

CODE

dBpoweramp Release 12 Digital Audio Extraction Log from 26 January 2007 11:35 AM

Drive & Settings
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Ripping with drive 'F:   [PLEXTOR  - DVDR   PX-708A  ]',  Drive offset: 30,  Overread Lead-in/out: Yes
dBpoweramp Release 12 Digital Audio Extraction Log from 26 January 2007 11:41 AM

Drive & Settings
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Ripping with drive 'F:   [PLEXTOR  - DVDR   PX-708A  ]',  Drive offset: 30,  Overread Lead-in/out: Yes
AccurateRip: Active,  Using C2: No,  Cache: 583 KB,  FUA Cache Invalidate: Yes
Pass 1 Drive Speed: Max,  Pass 2 Drive Speed: 4
Ultra::  Vary Drive Speed: Yes,  Min Passes: 2,  Max Passes: 10,  Finish After Clean Passes: 2
Bad Sector Re-rip::  Drive Speed: Max,  Maximum Re-reads: 34

Encoder: WavPack 

Extraction Log
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Track 11:  ERROR Ripping LBA 177117 to 204042 (5:59) in 2:50. Filename: N:\converted\tracks\Don't Explain no C2 (2003 12 23)\11. Mercy Mercy Me-I Want You.wv
Unable to read CD, check CD disc (frame LBA 201167  ripping 26 frames   track end LBA 204042)

Track 12:  ERROR Ripping LBA 204042 to 215122 (2:27) in 0:45. Filename: N:\converted\tracks\Don't Explain no C2 (2003 12 23)\12. Don't Explain.wv
Unable to read CD, check CD disc (frame LBA 205966  ripping 26 frames   track end LBA 215122)

Track 16:  ERROR Ripping LBA 258815 to 270777 (2:39) in 1:11. Filename: N:\converted\tracks\Don't Explain no C2 (2003 12 23)\16. Top 40.wv
Unable to read CD, check CD disc (frame LBA 259933  ripping 26 frames   track end LBA 270777)

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3 Tracks Could Not Be Ripped

edit: All combinations with FUA/C2 on and off don't help either.

spoon

Jan 26 2007, 10:11

Anything special about the connection to 708a? (it is odd as I have a 708a), which Windows version?

Eli

Jan 26 2007, 16:30

evereux, do you have accuraterip installed with EAC? If so did it report the tracks as accurate? If you dont have it installed can you install it with EAC and try the rip again in EAC?

evereux

Jan 27 2007, 04:24

The drive is the master on a IDE channel with a NEC1300A as slave. The operating system is XP Pro 64, motherboard an Asus A8N32-Sli Deluxe.

This disc is old and needed cleaning before I started the rip.

Interestingly, I've since tried ripping this disc with my NEC which resulted in a secure rip. The drive speed was set to maximum speed and dbPowerAmp had to re-rip many many frames. The log would have hit 1MB (all reporting on) if I hadn't slowed down the extraction for the last few tracks. I blame the drive for this, not dbPowerAmp at all.

Slowing the Plextor down to 4x helped me extract track 11 with the Plextor but still no go with 12 and 16. Something very strange is going on with the Plextor and dbPowerAmp.

Eli, yes, but the disc has no accurate rip submission.

Eli

Jan 27 2007, 10:23

QUOTE(evereux @ Jan 27 2007, 05:24)

Eli, yes, but the disc has no accurate rip submission.

Thats unfortunate. While its a VERY long shot, I was wondering if there may have been consistent errors on the disc that dbpoweramp was picking up, that eac and plextools were accepting... Had the other tracks been accurate by accuraterip, and the tracks of interest been inaccurate in EAC then that would most likely have been the case. Is it possible to get another copy of the disc the should be the same pressing?

spoon

Jan 27 2007, 14:34

The LBA read failure is where dBpoweramp asks the drive to read a section of the cd, and the cd drive says 'no can do', really no cd drive should ever do this, even with a destroyed cd (it should return the error in c2).

evereux

Jan 28 2007, 03:42

EAC and Plextools seem to have no problem going back to read a section upon errors. If my drive is defective, how do they manage this when dbPowerAmp can not?

evereux

Jan 28 2007, 04:41

I have a PX-W8432T that I'm trying to configure with dbPowerAmp (same system as above, drive is slave to 708A). I had a key disc inserted and dbPowerAmp would fail to configure itself for this drive. dbPowerAmp would freeze (actually, the whole OS, even EAC hasn't managed that yet

) until ejected the disc and dbPowerAmp would then say that this wasn't a key disc. This happened several times with several discs.

I went through the process with EAC which went smoothly. EAC spun the drive up which I didn't hear dbPowerAmp do. Whilst the drive was still spinning I tried again with dbPowerAmp, this time it worked.

The same goes for when I try to rip a CD. dbPowerAmp just freezes. It doesn't seem to be able to spin up this drive.

Sorry to bend your ear again but thought you might like to know.

edit: swapped it out for a PX-W4012A and no such problem.

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