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odyssey
I may get flamed even for using EQ, but i'm sure many of you know some info about this: tongue.gif

I'd like to generate an EQ curve for my files automatically (mostly to compensate for many of my older tracks with less dynamic and bass). Volume Logic does this on the fly with a 4 band processor, but it's sound (and the plugin itself) are terrible! blink.gif

Rather than doing this on-the-fly, I think it would preserve much better sound, if a static EQ were analysed and applied to the file (using EQU2 tags and the new in_mad plugin for Winamp).

Is this what "Spectral balancing" could be used for? huh.gif Is there any program which would generate a graphical view of the frequencies that need compensation (Or even better; export it's output to text)? A quick surf on the net lead me to a program called "Har-Bal" that may do this, but are anyone familar with this? ohmy.gif

Any info are appreciated biggrin.gif

Edit: Readability
pepoluan
But EQ depends strongly on room response.
odyssey
QUOTE (pepoluan @ Sep 6 2006, 17:31) *
But EQ depends strongly on room response.

Surely - But many old tunes still lack depth pinch.gif
Sunhillow
QUOTE (odyssey @ Sep 5 2006, 15:37) *
.... for many of my older tracks with less dynamic and bass).....

the older tracks for sure feel less loud, but their dynamic is superior to compressed recent recordings

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Is this what "Spectral balancing" could be used for?

such a thing might sort of "improve" the listening experience for some kinds of music like Metal or so, but never for classical music.
Just imagine someone unbalances the spectrum of Goldberg-Variationen to look like some Varèse pieces with lots of percussion in the spectrum display blink.gif

Edit: spelling. don't post when you're tired tongue.gif
odyssey
QUOTE (Sunhillow @ Sep 6 2006, 23:23) *
QUOTE (odyssey @ Sep 5 2006, 15:37) *

.... for many of my older tracks with less dynamic and bass).....

the older tracks for sure fell less loud, but theit dynamic is superior to compressed recent recordings

QUOTE
Is this what "Spectral balancing" could be used for?

such a thing might sort of "improve" the listening experience for some kinds of music likeMetal or so, but never for classical music.
Just imagine someone unbalances the spectrum of Goldberg-Variationen to look like some Varèse pieces with lots of percussion in the spectrum display blink.gif

Lucky me, i'm so mainstream laugh.gif
gameplaya15143
QUOTE (odyssey @ Sep 5 2006, 09:37) *
Volume Logic does this on the fly with a 4 band processor, but it's sound (and the plugin itself) are terrible! blink.gif
The winamp dsp plugin 'stereo tool' has an 8 band compressor/expander.

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Is there any program which would generate a graphical view of the frequencies that need compensation
Analfreq 1.8 might be helpful for the high frequencies. It has a 'long term average' option.
odyssey
QUOTE (gameplaya15143 @ Sep 8 2006, 23:42) *
QUOTE (odyssey @ Sep 5 2006, 09:37) *
Volume Logic does this on the fly with a 4 band processor, but it's sound (and the plugin itself) are terrible! blink.gif
The winamp dsp plugin 'stereo tool' has an 8 band compressor/expander.

I don't think this does what I want - Besides, I'd like to avoid use of DSP plugins. I'm not trying to compress or expand my music (oZone does an excellent job for this actually), but just the basic functionality from VolumeLogic that calculates the need for EQ on different bands.
QUOTE (gameplaya15143 @ Sep 8 2006, 23:42) *
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Is there any program which would generate a graphical view of the frequencies that need compensation
Analfreq 1.8 might be helpful for the high frequencies. It has a 'long term average' option.

The program itself looks promising... But I don't think it's capable of the same processing as VL
ZombieKilla
I'll try to explain with my awful english.
What you are searching simply can't exist:
You basically are searching for a "magic" tool to eq various tracks automatically. For this task you need a "reference" eq, a sort of "perfect ideal" response curve of a "perfect ideal" well balanced track.
But in the real world, if you analyze some tracks very well mastered by experts like Bob Katz (it's only an example) you'll notice that these tracks don't have the same spectral frequencies.
Maybe you are able to equalize two tracks of the same genre (and so same instruments), for example you can try with the izotope mastering plugin to capture the response of an AC/DC track and apply it to a Van Halen track (still I doubt the good result).
But you'll obtain disastrous results if you use that curve to equalize a Funk or Hip Hop track.
The correct equalization of the sources simply requires the human ear and intelligence to be accomplished.
odyssey
QUOTE (ZombieKilla @ Sep 11 2006, 11:42) *
I'll try to explain with my awful english.
What you are searching simply can't exist:
You basically are searching for a "magic" tool to eq various tracks automatically. For this task you need a "reference" eq, a sort of "perfect ideal" response curve of a "perfect ideal" well balanced track.
But in the real world, if you analyze some tracks very well mastered by experts like Bob Katz (it's only an example) you'll notice that these tracks don't have the same spectral frequencies.
Maybe you are able to equalize two tracks of the same genre (and so same instruments), for example you can try with the izotope mastering plugin to capture the response of an AC/DC track and apply it to a Van Halen track (still I doubt the good result).
But you'll obtain disastrous results if you use that curve to equalize a Funk or Hip Hop track.
The correct equalization of the sources simply requires the human ear and intelligence to be accomplished.

I understand that what I'm trying could be near impossible.

What I'd like to know, is some understanding of how VL is doing this, because as an average listener this plugin makes miracles to some tracks.

I perfectly understand that many tracks are mastered just the way they should be, but I think it would be possible from a wide range of mainstream music over the last few decades to detect which could simply need a little boost in the lower and upper bands.

I would assume this is actually why VL is using only 4 bands, because utilizing more bands could result in a weird curve, boosting instruments in the middle band which should just have left a flat curve.

The only thing I would need this for is a little help giving me an idea of how the spectrum is for all my files, instead of just trying every track manually.
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