Please don't post links to unofficial Nero installers in this thread. It seems a little bad form.

Sorry Synth, but Nero becomed BLOATware !

I don't like their contemporary marketing strategy... tastes like MS-one.

Why no more separated packages ?

I'm not in favour of Ahead's strategy either. I think downloading over 100MB for a minor upgrade is just insane.

However, in a thread which annouces a new version, and considering this forum benefits from the insight given to us by Nero developers, I just think it's "impolite" to link to unofficial alternatives.

Hopefully, if enough people make their concern known about the official installer, Ahead may change their mind sometime in the future.

Synthetic Soul: Ahead went ahead and renamed themselfs, and in the process destroyed the punchline of so many great jokes. Damn you Ahead Nero!

Oops! Shows how much I follow current events...

Thanks for the info.

Nero Mobile will be available separately very soon from our website.

Go to Nero ProductSetup and press update. I had to download only 38MB.

I've tried that several times. Just tried it again and this time it gets past 1. Connecting (it didn't previously) and gets to 2. Checking Engine then returns to the Nero ProductSetUp main screen without going through the other steps. So I think, OK, maybe it knows I now need updates and this is done through Modify your Nero Products option. I click Next. It crashes "Error applying transforms. Verify that the specified transforms paths are valid".

Nero ProductSetup doesn't work for me.

Heh, last time I tried that, it f*cked up my installation and I had to completely reinstall Nero.

Hmm, I seem to have a different ProductSetup than the one in the manual on the web. I guess I already had a version 7.5 here, this ProductSetup seems to work fine for me.

Hey Garf,
Can you please tell us why Nero has become such bloatware and the Burning Rom is not available just by itself?
Cheers

So you were upgrading from version 7.5 to version 7.5 and you only had to download 38MB... Yeah, that makes perfect sense.

My Common/Ahead/DSFilter is usually completely different than what can be downloaded from the web. That already accounts for 22MB I guess.
But I gues you will have to wait at least a month to see if the new ProductSetup works for you.

http://www.hydrogenaudio.org/forums/index....showtopic=48580

For those who don't know, WinLibre@SoC bringed us Infra Recorder, that is just 1,3 Mb.

whooops... can i post this kind of links ?

To the best of my understanding, those "lite" installers, no matter how handy they are, are in violation of Nero's copyright and license, and hence illegal. Posting them here will just get your post removed and a warning.

We'll fix this AVC oversize bug as soon as possible, but the problem is in the low-level encoder implementation. Looks like a recent update to the Ateme AVC codec which was put to the release compilation was buggy unfortunately. We are waiting for Ateme at the moment.
I'll let you know when more information is available.

I hate to bug, especially about a question I already asked but, when is Windows Vista compatibility coming? I saw on Nero's website that they are early adopters of the Windows Vista compatibility program yet their software package is still incompatible. I enjoy Nero 7 as I use Nero Burning ROM, Nero Recode 2, Nero ShowTime, and a couple other Nero apps here and there. It would be a shame not to run Neo 7 on my Vista powered notebook.

Yes, my warn level is 33% now.

...it was a sort of "civil" pacific disobedience (wanna remember you that lite installer is NOT warez, you must have a valid license anyway) 'cause we have some Ahead developers here.

Now they are able to unchain their lawyers against license infringers !!!

Yes, very usefull indeed, as many of us know! But have you read what I proposed in this other (somehow related) thread about the feasibility of a custom uninstaller, to get rid of all the bloat and not risk to be sued and not even warned?

I don't have the knowledge to write it, but I swear if I had I'll do it, and anyway I will happly help testing or in any other way if somebody else volunteer to develop it.

Sergio

Great news! I'll add it to HA Wiki's Download Page ... and while I'm there... I'm reeeeeeaaalllllyyyy tempted to change Nero's description to "Bloated Windows Commercial CD Writing Application"...

Ah, but depending on the wording of the license, it is quite possible you would then be in breach of that license, even if you had purchased one.

That's beside the point however. The deletion/warning action was about liability. Much of HA's topics are ones that big companies and their lawyers aren't too happy about (e.g. ripping in general), whether legal in your region (most regions) or not. It is for the sake of the forum, it's administrators, and it's users that there is this kind of enforcement: so that certain lines aren't crossed in discussion, especially regarding copyrights (and related issues such as DRM), that might lead to legal entanglements.

-brendan

The fact that something is on Softpedia doesn't really mean it's legal. I know from personal experience.

But anyway, yeah, that Lite installer is great.

That doesn't seems official, or is it?

This doesn't make it any less illegal. It most definetely is warez.

Here's a thought: I have some free software (not in the GPL sense) on my webpage. Can you redistribute that on your webpage without my permission? You sure as hell CAN NOT. Copyright still applies.

I thought that those "lite" installers were requiring you to download the official installer, and they were not providing any Nero software by themselves.
However I tryed the "not mentioned one" (since my post is now deleted), and it's effectively providing Nero binaries...that's bad...

No, these click through licenses cannot alter the fundamentable laws in your country. For example I could create a really good game, but it has a license 'By using this software, you are not allowed to write any bad reviews about it'. I have just effectively created a whole new law, which is rubbish, only Governments can create laws, not software companies.

I'm not so sure. Try to find a benchmark of any recent Oracle version. The license of Oracle forbids it.

I don't see why a condition on a license is a law. It's a restriction on what you can do with the software. Nobody is forcing you to use it. In the case of EULA's, I agree things are more icky, since you already payed before seeing the license.

But, as far as I know, copying software without permission is still forbidden simply by copyright law, and the lite installers are illegal.



Wouldn't this more or less defeat their purpose?

Not really. What i'd like is ability to select only the components I want during installation. Having to download 500MB is not the biggest problem in my case (however usually the download speed of Nero is quite low), but ability to only install what I want.

If I was sure about what Nero is installing, I would not have to install it inside a VMWare image first.
I think that it's quite strange to have to control what an installer is doing, especially considering that some people have paid for it.

edit: on my side I have to admit that I'm still using v6

ok, so I have Nero 7.5.1.1, where is this new encoder?

Maybe a little off-topic, but here you have my first Nero 7.5 error:
http://www.speedyshare.com/881816569.html

Try IBM
But, I agree, besides them nobody wants to fight oracle.
It is still unclear, if this oracle agreement breaks some laws or not, I think.

At least in Europe, no agreement can "override" the law. This has been tested in court in many cases, most were against webshops, where European law is very protective of consumers.

From HA Wiki:

DeepBurner Free -> GPL
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Infra Recorder -> Free

Oh, well... here's what i mean for warez (from wikipedia ):

To be honest, from the same page: Warez refers primarily to copyright material traded in violation of copyright law. - that is probably what you mean. Anyway, due to a non-commercial nature of these "alternative packages", i prefer to call them 'unofficial'.

Since version 7 you can select what components you want to install.




Which one?

Including Scout?

The 'High profile' and mp3pro support. I have no idea where in Nero these features are. Also, Nero Scout sucks. I've had it running for about 2 hours indexing, and now its just crashed

High profile can be enabled via Expert Settings in Recode. Check the box that says "8x8 transform".

MP3Pro I have no idea, I don't use that.

Uhh... something wrong?

I only add Infra Recorder, and to the best of my knowledge it's free.

The column was originally "Price"... I think HotShotGG changed that to "License"... hey, Hotshot! Come here and fix the mess up will ya?

The problem is..
advanced user? you know what's good for you? you get thoughts about having unneccessarily huge downloads, taking hd-capacity and bandwidth, you say 'hooray' as you know this is not realy neccessary ? --> a lite (or let's say 'slimmer') installer would come handy
mainstream-man? you don't care, you take it all, you install it all and you use it all --> well,you are a perfect consumer, best victim for marketing strategies.. you get nero-ed!

I really like the Nero products (except Scout), but installer and update still needs some enhancements.

Otherwise, thumb up !!

Infra Recorder is GPL (check here), DeepBurner Free is... free (closed source).

Anyway i wanna remember you that open source means "free in speech" not "free beer"... for example FairUse Wizard is GPL but you must donate to obtain the full version.

Open source does not mean free of charge !

Inofficial "lite" installers are just what you ask for with a CD-burning-program that takes a 190MB setup file... make it "lite" yourself or others will do - warez or not.

I can't see it mentioned, but does anyone know whether the large file size problem has been fixed on the H.264 encoder yet, or if not, when it might be fixed?

when Nero Digital Audio for Linux will be released? Ivan said that it was coming...

It has not been fixed yet. JohnV reported on doom9 that Nero is waiting for a fix from Ateme.







I was working on this project, but since I left Nero, I'm afraid this might be postponed for a while?

Well one question, did you use GTK+ or Qt for the interface. I guess GTK+? :/

None interface, only command line tool...

Well all I can say is at least the Lite installer works on Windows Vista. I find it appalling that Nero would promote themselves as being an early adopter of the Vista Compatibility program, and yet their software suite won't even install with 1 month until the (expected) Release To Manufacturing of Vista. Will Nero actually get a version out that installs on Vista before the RTM?

Here's the filter which should fix the Nero 7.5.1.1 AVC 2-pass oversize: http://morbo.org/nero/NeNDVid_2_6_28_1.zip
Extract the NeNDVid.ax to "\Program Files\Common Files\Ahead\DSFilter" in order to replace the old one.

Please report any problems. Thanks.

I'm updating now and wow the servers are so saturated with people it's like 7.0kb/s omg it says it's like 10:00 min to download from a 189.00mb file from a SERVER. from a huge company. It's unbalievable how slow the download it. There must be so many people downloading it now. Although i love nero it's the greatest. I use burning rom express and my favorite recode. Wow it makes ungodly MPEG 4 vids in nero digital codec . They upscale so beautifully. There are barely no artifacts