And even if flags were in use i wouldn't be too happy with the euroflag. But i'm not surprised that the 1st guy who brought this up is from France (or Germany). But i'm not against the flags as that. I'm proud of my country (not the EU)

What exactly do you want to tell us?

Sometimes i feel that behind the EU is just a more sophisticated (and more succesful) way of gaining 'Lebensraum'... If the European constitution would be accepted from which country would the European prime minister or Minister of foreign affairs be ? Probably from the most powerful Germany or France. The fact that the French people declined the constitution means nothing, most of them didn't even know what they're voting about.

The EU (mostly France and Germany) is pushing down our throats someting like an 'European indentity' while there's nothing common in our identities. We have different history, different culture, different language. If you would use the European flag it would mean French identity = European identity.
That's my opinion

This is your idea of searching for guilty nations for your personal misery? Go out to France, Germany or whoever in "old europe" and ask the people if they want to have the eastern european and former yugoslavian countries in the eu. I mean apart from all political correctness. My guess is, most of the people do not want any further what you call Lebensraum.

So this is why we do hopefully never have flags here. Not knowing where people are from does prevent anyone from having all those prejudices in mind. (which we all have, i.e. "the nazi german", "the dumb u.s. burger american", "the bigheaded french").

@ molnart & Squeller :
Do you really think this is the place to talk about politics ?

People and governments are different things. It's not the people who want Lebensraum. It's the governments and the powerful lobby groups behind them. Enlarging the EU brought them a larger market.
I don't think the German people ever wanted any Lebensraum, but i'm sure they leaders did. And than the people were punished the most.


I think if you know were they come from, it can actually change your prejustices. Usually germans are nazis only to the point when you meet the first german. Then you realize that they are not. So i'm not against the flags, just against the Euro-flag. EDIT: Flags are usually abused by nationalists. So i think filling the Country/Location fields is the way to go.


Probably the best (and most on-topic and least political) argument against the Euorflag: The EU is not a country and has no international legal subjectivity.

No. Time to calm down, a for anybody here.

I'm sorry but I find this kind of claim very political and very off topic :



It's good to see that some of us are reasonable.

I know i should stop posting into this thread, but a sentence beginning with "Sometimes i feel..." is surely no claim

I don't know if most French knew what the constitutionnal project was about or not, but you can be sure that everyone had the possibility to know what it was about, as all voters received the full text of the constitutionnal project.

I didn't mean "claim" but "declare", my english is too bad

By the way, now you can post in this tread.

One of those threats with a imo confusing start post.. maybe because of the starting "And ..." and because I can't really grasp your point on the topic.
I'd really like to join the discussion on that topic but it's currently more confusing to me than anything else.

Edit: just stumbled across the threat where this one was split from, that explains at least the strange start post

tnx for beer, that will really calm me down....

If they were in use here, I would prefer a European flag to a flag of my country. Yes we have different identities. We also have things in common. I believe the only merit of bringing up the differences is to create tension and conflicts.

Can't we first find a common ground (audio!, culture, interests) then share whatever is unique to us with our new friends?

guess I'm a bit late.. but I got the point in the meantime


Of course we all have something in common but why should that be a reason to use the same flag? We should rather use a 'world flag' because everyone has something in common with everyone else.



This was a mistake of the government and a good thing for everyone else imo.

If you want to use the euroflag, you can put it as your avatar...