If I have a pre-recorded CD that, over time, becomes scratched up why do I have to pay full price for a new replacement disc even though I already paid for the "license" to the material? I am merely buying new media to the same source material in the same container format.
I have some discs that aren't in good shape (some are 13 years old) and I'd like to replace them. However, I am forced to pay full price for these discs again. I really don't want to do that especially since the music industry tells us we don't actually own the music on the discs we buy.
We should be able to return worn discs and get replacements for cost. Otherwise the music industry wants it both ways: controlling content while considering each separate CD as a unique, indivisible product. They even wanted to tax used CDs!
Full Version: If we don't own the music on our pressed CDs
Amen!
I would love to get replacements of my worn discs for the price of manufacture. We shouldn't have to pay for the royalties twice.
The same should apply to upgrading the medium of your music... or more importantly at the moment, films. I have hundereds of videos I want on DVD, but can't afford to pay full price again
If the RIAA had an ounce of sense, they could turn this into a small profit for themselves while actually pleasing their users! The day I see that I'll have a heart-attack 
I would love to get replacements of my worn discs for the price of manufacture. We shouldn't have to pay for the royalties twice.
The same should apply to upgrading the medium of your music... or more importantly at the moment, films. I have hundereds of videos I want on DVD, but can't afford to pay full price again
If the RIAA had an ounce of sense, they could turn this into a small profit for themselves while actually pleasing their users! The day I see that I'll have a heart-attack
totally agree. that is why i think copy protected cds should be forbiden.
come on, guys... dont believe they are treating things eaqual... YOU own the music if its in THEIR profit, and THEY own it if its in THEIR profit...
Indeed, If they whould not sell the music but the right to listen it, they whould have to replace a bad disk, and allow downloading etc etc... but hey, thats not what they want by saying you dont OWN the music...
they'r just after money and more money and more more money...
but they'll lose. There is already some free music on the web, and that will increase in amount and quallity. Bands have to earn their money with concerts, and t-shirts etc etc, not with the music itself, I'm afraid. And I know musicians who dont fear that - they cooperate...
if u like electronic music, have a look at this site, download some mp3'z, I esp. recommend CD2, the first isnt that good
http://iuma.com/IUMA/Bands/Flexor0187Records/
and yes, here's an musician who loves it if u download his music...
Indeed, If they whould not sell the music but the right to listen it, they whould have to replace a bad disk, and allow downloading etc etc... but hey, thats not what they want by saying you dont OWN the music...
they'r just after money and more money and more more money...
but they'll lose. There is already some free music on the web, and that will increase in amount and quallity. Bands have to earn their money with concerts, and t-shirts etc etc, not with the music itself, I'm afraid. And I know musicians who dont fear that - they cooperate...
if u like electronic music, have a look at this site, download some mp3'z, I esp. recommend CD2, the first isnt that good
http://iuma.com/IUMA/Bands/Flexor0187Records/
and yes, here's an musician who loves it if u download his music...
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The same should apply to upgrading the medium of your music... or more importantly at the moment, films.
Nope...
So you paid for a (rather low quality) copy of a film, or music album. (1. say, VHS cassette, 2. audio cassette)
Why should they give you a copy with far better quality for free? DVD CDs contain high quality video and surround audio. Totally different formats, meterials. Also "extras" are very common. Same movie, ok, but you don't buy the movie, you buy the CD and the right to use it. Say it's defected, it's fair to get a new copy of the same materials with the same quality.
Same for cassettes, ok so it may be fair to get a new copy, but it's far lower quality than audio CD. Same music, different materials and quality.
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Nope...
So you paid for a (rather low quality) copy of a film, or music album. (1. say, VHS cassette, 2. audio cassette)
Why should they give you a copy with far better quality for free? DVD CDs contain high quality video and surround audio. Totally different formats, meterials. Also "extras" are very common. Same movie, ok, but you don't buy the movie, you buy the CD and the right to use it. Say it's defected, it's fair to get a new copy of the same materials with the same quality.
Same for cassettes, ok so it may be fair to get a new copy, but it's far lower quality than audio CD. Same music, different materials and quality.
So you paid for a (rather low quality) copy of a film, or music album. (1. say, VHS cassette, 2. audio cassette)
Why should they give you a copy with far better quality for free? DVD CDs contain high quality video and surround audio. Totally different formats, meterials. Also "extras" are very common. Same movie, ok, but you don't buy the movie, you buy the CD and the right to use it. Say it's defected, it's fair to get a new copy of the same materials with the same quality.
Same for cassettes, ok so it may be fair to get a new copy, but it's far lower quality than audio CD. Same music, different materials and quality.
I don't think it should be free, but it should be considerably less. You pay for the content regardless of it's quality. If you already own a movie on vhs you should be able to purchase that same movie on DVD for a greatly reduced price. If I were to estimate this cost it would be roughly $2.00 for the media, $2.00 for the production and $1 for the processing. Five bucks to get a DVD of a movie you already own on vhs seems reasonable to me. The program seems like it would be an easy one to run. Send us a VHS tape plus $5 bucks and we'll send you a DVD.
I know this is only my opinion, but it seems that millions share this same opinion. People in general don't want to pay full price to switch formats. Do software companies charge full price for upgrades? The RIAA and MPAA can still make money. Definitely more money if people are just copying DVDs and CDs. It's a basic supply/demand concept. If they make it affordable enough people will buy. People right now perceive the movie and music industry as a bunch of greedy fat cats. Maybe doing something like this would ease the tension and hostility people have towards them. It seems they do more damage to themselves in the public's eye everyday. It's time they start programs like this that may help them repair this damage.
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The thing is that you don't own the movie on the DVD. You own the DVD and have a right to view the movie on it.
I don't think it's possible at all to sell the same movie on DVD to someone who owns a VHS with the movie at a lower price. (edit: notice the wrong thing in the previous sentence? "sell the movie", NOT) and to others at a regular price. How can that be done? What a mess, how can that be varified? Can't really. And, no company wants people's old VHS tapes.
I too -greatly- support reduction of DVDs and Audio CDs' prices. I think that will make everybody happy (blah blah utopia yeah..).
You can compare this to software upgrades, but that's just not right in my opinion. Way too many differences.
Basically, i think the companies don't really care if they make people upset for having to buy a CD containing "old" music they have on cassettes, or an "old" film. They just don't care, the main focus is on the new stuff always.
I don't think it's possible at all to sell the same movie on DVD to someone who owns a VHS with the movie at a lower price. (edit: notice the wrong thing in the previous sentence? "sell the movie", NOT) and to others at a regular price. How can that be done? What a mess, how can that be varified? Can't really. And, no company wants people's old VHS tapes
.I too -greatly- support reduction of DVDs and Audio CDs' prices. I think that will make everybody happy (blah blah utopia yeah..).
You can compare this to software upgrades, but that's just not right in my opinion. Way too many differences.
Basically, i think the companies don't really care if they make people upset for having to buy a CD containing "old" music they have on cassettes, or an "old" film. They just don't care, the main focus is on the new stuff always.
The comparison to software upgrades is VERY apt. Why do we get software upgrades (other than a simple geek lust for the latest and greatest)? Things like features, speed, and stability. Why get a DVD vs. a VHS? Quality, durability, features. Why should we pay full price for an upgrade? For things like movies and music, switching formats should be rasonably cheap, because the core content hasn't changed.
As far as handling such an upgrade program goes: Send in the VHS, a few bucks, and get a DVD in the mail. Fraud might be a problem, but there might be ways to combat that. The company handling the program gets the VHS for two reasons: Verification and Disposal. It's much cheaper and easier for them to dispose of (or recycle, if that might be possible) the tapes that it would be for us. Economies of scale and all that.
As far as handling such an upgrade program goes: Send in the VHS, a few bucks, and get a DVD in the mail. Fraud might be a problem, but there might be ways to combat that. The company handling the program gets the VHS for two reasons: Verification and Disposal. It's much cheaper and easier for them to dispose of (or recycle, if that might be possible) the tapes that it would be for us. Economies of scale and all that.
QUOTE(Ardax @ Dec 19 2002 - 03:03 PM)
As far as handling such an upgrade program goes: Send in the VHS, a few bucks, and get a DVD in the mail. Fraud might be a problem, but there might be ways to combat that. The company handling the program gets the VHS for two reasons: Verification and Disposal. It's much cheaper and easier for them to dispose of (or recycle, if that might be possible) the tapes that it would be for us. Economies of scale and all that.
They could probably resell those tapes anyway. Video stores sell used rental tapes for about $10 (or half the cost of a new tape).
Well I thought a CD was "perfect sound forever". 
I'm not jumping on the SACD/DVD-A bandwagon because the problem with many CD releases is the shoddy mastering, not the format. If you've ever listened to a super high-quality CD recording (think something from Chesky or Reference) you'll understand that Red Book digital can sound plenty awesome.
I wouldn't have dumped the amount of cash I have on the 700+ CDs I own if I thought I'd have to replace them with a new format in the future.
I'm not jumping on the SACD/DVD-A bandwagon because the problem with many CD releases is the shoddy mastering, not the format. If you've ever listened to a super high-quality CD recording (think something from Chesky or Reference) you'll understand that Red Book digital can sound plenty awesome.I wouldn't have dumped the amount of cash I have on the 700+ CDs I own if I thought I'd have to replace them with a new format in the future.
QUOTE(mithrandir @ Dec 19 2002 - 07:43 PM)
Well I thought a CD was "perfect sound forever". :P I'm not jumping on the SACD/DVD-A bandwagon because the problem with many CD releases is the shoddy mastering, not the format. If you've ever listened to a super high-quality CD recording (think something from Chesky or Reference) you'll understand that Red Book digital can sound plenty awesome.
http://www.wwoz.org/html/review_xrcd.html
http://www.xrcd.com/
Expensive as the devil, but apparently worth it...
Here in Russia there are still smart people.
Just take a look:
you can buy a COMPLETELY legal copy of a CD you want for a price of 3 to 5 (sic!) bucks.
If you don't wanna pay for a collection of CDs you just go andy buy the music (legally!!!) in an MP3 compilation (192Kbps MP3, Fraunhofer codec + lyrics + photos + more stuff) for $4.
Don't think, that the record companies here are playing good guys, (there was a stupidiest anti-pirate company a couple of months ago), they simply understand one thing: the price of a CD pirates offer is about $2-3, so they simply add $1 and sell legal copies. Everyone's happy, the prices are quite low (Russia is far from being a rich country, when a person hardly gets more, than $200 a month, even being a high level specialist), the level of piracy is lowering and record companies get their money, as they sell more copies.
Just take a look:
you can buy a COMPLETELY legal copy of a CD you want for a price of 3 to 5 (sic!) bucks.
If you don't wanna pay for a collection of CDs you just go andy buy the music (legally!!!) in an MP3 compilation (192Kbps MP3, Fraunhofer codec + lyrics + photos + more stuff) for $4.
Don't think, that the record companies here are playing good guys, (there was a stupidiest anti-pirate company a couple of months ago), they simply understand one thing: the price of a CD pirates offer is about $2-3, so they simply add $1 and sell legal copies. Everyone's happy, the prices are quite low (Russia is far from being a rich country, when a person hardly gets more, than $200 a month, even being a high level specialist), the level of piracy is lowering and record companies get their money, as they sell more copies.
when CD's first came out they were $15 a pop, and this was considerd
expensive (around 1985 i believe, and is still considerd expensive for some,
see: anyone in amerika thanx to G.W.B. economy plan), and the RIAA fed to
our hungry ears that, "they're expensive cause the tech. is new, just give it
some time". we we gave it some time, and some more time, and some time.
*sigh* and what have cd prices done? yep thats right, they rised or stayed
the same. so come on RIAA, when are these prices gonna drop? and now
you're talking about SACD and DVD-A?! those are at least $20 a piece and
im sure they will get cheaper with time to, right???
expensive (around 1985 i believe, and is still considerd expensive for some,
see: anyone in amerika thanx to G.W.B. economy plan), and the RIAA fed to
our hungry ears that, "they're expensive cause the tech. is new, just give it
some time". we we gave it some time, and some more time, and some time.
*sigh* and what have cd prices done? yep thats right, they rised or stayed
the same. so come on RIAA, when are these prices gonna drop? and now
you're talking about SACD and DVD-A?! those are at least $20 a piece and
im sure they will get cheaper with time to, right???
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