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treeninja
Just wondering if anyone knew if there would be any issues with using Exact Audio Copy on Windows Vista, the new Microsoft OS that will be coming out early next year.
tempnegro
That program needs hardcore update for functionality and compatability....but still great nonetheless
rudefyet
EAC works flawlessly in Vista

EDIT: Screenshot below

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Yes it does, but 'Christian Rock'?! :-/







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rudefyet
I guess whoever submitted that freedb entry thought it was
tempnegro
what about 64 bit??
rudefyet
QUOTE(tempnegro @ Dec 10 2006, 09:59) *

what about 64 bit??


should work just the same.

The issue w/ 64 bit is drivers, not application compatibility
Fuchal
Wow, Vista is so ugly.
Jebus
QUOTE(rudefyet @ Dec 6 2006, 08:02) *

I guess whoever submitted that freedb entry thought it was


They ARE Christian Rock!

I think the parent poster's question would be better phrased as: "Creed?!"

(okay, i'll leave you alone now... smile.gif)
audioaficionado
I ripped a CD in 32bit Vista RC1 using EAC and it went fine. My main concern was the built in DRM stopping me but it didn't happen.
suhrim
I run EAC on Vista Ultimate x64 without problems.
CiTay
QUOTE(audioaficionado @ Dec 11 2006, 06:21) *

I ripped a CD in 32bit Vista RC1 using EAC and it went fine. My main concern was the built in DRM stopping me but it didn't happen.


There is no "built in DRM" for CD ripping. What's implemented in Vista are all things necessary to enforce restrictive DRM. For example, the audio drivers aren't allowed direct hardware access anymore. This affects EAX/DTS/Dolby/AC3/etc. decoding via the soundcard, which is no longer possible. Creative is working on a so-called OpenAL wrapper as a workaround for EAX sound on their X-Fi soundcards, but all other hardware features will remain unused, it seems. They are all done by the CPU in software now. This is all to ensure that DRM can't be easily hacked.
Firon
And that sort of restriction is absolutely ridiculous. I can't wait until someone cracks that and rubs it into MS's face.
audioaficionado
QUOTE(CiTay @ Dec 11 2006, 14:00) *
... For example, the audio drivers aren't allowed direct hardware access anymore. This affects EAX/DTS/Dolby/AC3/etc. decoding via the soundcard, which is no longer possible. Creative is working on a so-called OpenAL wrapper as a workaround for EAX sound on their X-Fi soundcards, but all other hardware features will remain unused, it seems. They are all done by the CPU in software now. This is all to ensure that DRM can't be easily hacked.
Thanx for that Vista DRM clarafication. There is a lot of FUD out there.

When Vista beta 2 was installed on my computer, I had terrible skipping issue with the sound. I suspected k-mixer or whatever Vista uses because the kernal driver plugin for Winamp and foobar 2000 played skip free while WMP11 couldn't. So this is still software decoding but the faulty k-mixer was bypassed. Subsequent releases of RC1 and RC2 didn't have the problem.

Vista is such a resource hog already that it's a shame MS is breaking the advantages of direct hardware decoding. They figure the multiple core processors can handle it for the average PC user.

All the new Intel chips and most likely newer AMD chips also have the hardware DRM built in so Vista can enforce it to the point that it might not be worth the hassle for people to try and hack it.

I wasn't sure what level of DRM to expect from Vista so I tested a few of my everyday fair usage media/data copy/ripping/encoding/playing to test multimedia apps and purchased recordings. I am still also able to rip online mp3 streams to my hard drive.

Who knows what future Vista updates might do?
tempnegro
wait...you mean to say my spdif output on my digital mystique will NOT OUTPUT TO MY RECEIVER ANYMORE???
kornchild2002
It should still work. I had Windows Vista RC2 on my notebook and its digital coaxil connection (SPDIF) worked just fine. I just had to use software to output to Dolby Digital 5.1, I could not longer use hardware acceleration. I did have a audio glitch of a different type. My notebook is a Dell Inspiron XPS Gen. 2. It has a larger speaker located underneath of it, right by the battery. This larger speaker really improves the sound output when I use my notebook's speakers (which I use a lot due to others sleeping during the day). Windows Vista RC2 was unable to output sound through this speaker so my notebook sounded just like any average system.
grommet
Slight correction. Audio card vendors can use hardware level acceleration with Vista... but they'll need to use OpenAL. FYI: http://www.openal.org/openal_vista.html Anyway, the changes/improvements in the audio subsystem was a good move in my opinion... especially for overall stability/compatibility.

kornchild2002, you'll probably need an updated driver from your vendor to get back your "special" speaker. That's expected.

Wow, way off topic...
Pio2001
QUOTE(rudefyet @ Dec 6 2006, 06:35) *

EAC works flawlessly in Vista


But the question is "does it still report C2 errors, and does it still flush the drive's cache in order to detect errors ?"

QUOTE(CiTay @ Dec 11 2006, 23:00) *
the audio drivers aren't allowed direct hardware access anymore.


Does it mean that bit-exact playback will become eventually impossible ?
kyller
up...
This topic is important to me. Someone could answers these questions above?
rudefyet
c2 error reporting and cache flushing work with all my drives in Vista x64
treeninja
Anyone have an answer to Pio's question about bit-exact playback maybe being impossible on Vista?

QUOTE(treeninja @ Dec 5 2006, 23:55) *

Just wondering if anyone knew if there would be any issues with using Exact Audio Copy on Windows Vista, the new Microsoft OS that will be coming out early next year.


audioaficionado
FWIW, Vista x64 still allows me to rip my CD collection with EAC even with all the secuity patches and updates LOL beer.gif
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