Don't get me wrong, but wouldn't it be more wise to use resources for improving an existing encoder that produces a far more compatible output, such as tuning FAAC, Vorbis or even LAME? What is the motivation for working on MPC? (Only curious, not meant to bitch whatsoever)

Sebastian, there are still many MPC files around that need to be converted to SV8...

They do?

I totally agree with Sebastian... why keep going with MPC? is more smart to improve Vorbis, LAME or even FAAC... Vorbis and LAME have prove that are better choices to MPC...

What are the goals of MPC? what is missing in other codecs that MPC is going to use? what is the philosophy of MPC that is incompatible with Vorbis or LAME?

I just want to know the reason besides to have another codec... more quality? more features?

Wow SV8. How long has it been?

And just a couple months after someone polished up the MPC playback code in Rockbox. Why couldn't this have happen in 2003?

Fellas, people have been whining for years that SV8 dev had stopped... now its started again and you're still whining. STOP IT! Some people clearly are looking forward to SV8, and your ungrateful complaining isn't going to do anything except demoralise these fine volunteers.

Keep up the good work, r2d!

First, I don't see anyone whining here. Except you.

Second, people haven't been "whining" for years, I'd concur they whined until about 2004. Then most of them gave up waiting. So, I see no problem in doubting the usefulness of SV8 at this point - or, as someone else put it in another thread, "too little, too late".

there isn't any room for sv8 in the world, huh?

sv8 will address most shortcomings of the musepack format

feel free to not use it.

it's best to disregard that musepack is gaining support and being actively developed to create a better codec.... good job guys.


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Since there are still people using Musepack, whether they use it to encode new rips or play existing collections, why wouldn't it be useful (to them at least) to fix some of the problems with the current version?

And I don't think we are talking about a limited amount of development resources where someone working on improving Musepack means taking away anything from the development of other formats.

Whining is a synonym for complaining, which you are in fact doing when you question the usefulness of SV8 in a thread thats supposed to be about asking for feedback. If someone had asked "Is SV8 relevent?" I'd agree with your posts. However, the actual topic concerns what features should be included, so when you force your opinion on people simply do not care, you are in fact whining in ever sense of the word.

Instead I think you should probably not post if you're not interested. Its what I do most of the time.

What is the reason to have WMA? Even it is proven to be a lower-quality codec, some people still use it. And it is usually present in comparison tests. So, why we should not have another good-quality codec, at least for comparison?
I personally use ogg nowadays, but as soon as the new sv8 is finalized I will convert all of my old mpc to the new format and I will continue using it. But this is just me .

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While I love MPC, I have to agree that development is slow at best. I agree with Sebastian, why keep musepack? There is no logic in using MPC. Two years have passed and SV8 is finally making progress... big deal. Vorbis has already bested MPC IMHO. I remember when people were wishing for improvements to Blaze MP3 and they didn't understand that Blaze MP3 is dead.

Yes.

Things to do with old MPC collection: convert to SV8 and use updated decoder > transcode to [insert lossy codec of rjmorim's choice here] > delete, mourn and forget > re-download

The Musepack code is portable, the main issue is that no Musepack dev uses a mac. But SV8 is designed to be endianness agnostic.


will be done after SV8 release.


I just want to learn, and improve a codec I use. I don't think there is a point in discussing this choice. Maybe I'm more free with incompatibility ?


You should update your impression, there is at least 1 commit / day. See http://trac.musepack.net/trac/timeline


I'm involved in Musepack developpement since 3 months ... what's your point ?


Maybe this gives more motivation ?

Seems to me that a lot of what is posted on this thread is offtopic and as been already said here. So please be more constructive.

Thanks