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Bourne
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Synthetic Soul
It is gap-related, as you suggest. Without a cuesheet you only have INDEX 01 info, not INDEX 00 or INDEX 02+.

I've never seen an index greater than 01, but there are some about. I have seen many tracks with INDEX 00 entries though.

Whether being able to indicate these INDEX 00 entries is important to you is another question.

I rip to images so I don't have to concern myself with such things.
Firon
Multiple indexes per track tend to be found with classical CDs as a way to have gapless playback, but still be able to skip around to the various movements easily.
SamHain86
It is a convenience for me. I prefer having an immediate file to work with that defines a media file's characteristics. That way I can just look at the CUE sheet of something instead of downloading the whole sets of files, or one large file [as mostly everything on my computer becomes maximum compressed RAR archives].

And I am with Synthetic Soul: "I rip to images so I don't have to concern myself with such things."
Firon
I rip to individual tracks, because I find CUE sheets highly annoying, and I don't care in the slightest about the gaps. Plus, who actually burns CDs nowadays? smile.gif
guruboolez
QUOTE(Firon @ Feb 3 2007, 08:34) *

Multiple indexes per track tend to be found with classical CDs as a way to have gapless playback, but still be able to skip around to the various movements easily.

Even with classical music multiple index are rare.
The first CD-players were not all gapless and that's probably why some older CD have some funny structure (David Bryant said once he owned a release of Gould's Goldberg-Variationen with one track and 32 index!). Old CDs are nevertheless not alone in this situation. I sometime encounter modern recordings with multiple index which introduce a virtual splitting of long tracks. The problem is that many and probably most CD players can't seek index but only tracks. And correct me if I'm wrong, there's currently no software player supporting cuesheet that allow the user to jump at the beginning of index >1. I think you have to manually edit the cuesheet and replace index as tracks if you want to benefit from the additional information provided by the multiple index. A bit boring but there's maybe a more comfortable way I currently ignore. Cheers smile.gif
dv1989
QUOTE(Bourne)
When EAC rips a CD with "Append gaps to previous track" that gap will be already included in that audio, merged as silence. That is, you won't need that cuesheet to reburn the CD. Because if you burn a copy without setting gaps (like in Burrrn), it will be just as equal as the original in audio terms - the gaps will still be there audibly, not mathematically. (You appended the gaps in the audio, no need to set any as they followed the original).

Gaps are not necessarily silent. The gap will be included in the audio track/file, while the cuesheet will contain the timing information necessary to define it as a gap. They will no longer be marked as gaps if you burn a copy of the CD without that information, and will not show up in supporting CD players as such.

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Would it be that if one used the cuesheet to burn the same copy I'm talking about, the burner would add *MORE* mathematical gaps with the already "merged in gaps" of the tracks, ripped with EAC? That is, a supposed to be 4 second gap would be added to an already merged 4 second silence gap in the song?

No, because the audio files contain the "gap" (i.e. its audio data) while the cuesheet indicates its span. As I said above, the gaps do not have to contain silence. Think about songs with intros on the end of the previous track, or live albums with crowd partipation or the bands talking between songs - two (perhaps bad) examples of reasons for gaps being defined and stored on the previous track.

Sure, you may not care about marking gaps as such, or even including them, but to answer what I believe to be one of your original questions: yes, keeping gap information is one of the most common reasons for using cuesheets. Others, which I myself value, include UPC/ISRC/FLAG retrieval and CD-Text (although I usually have to enter it myself, thus having the .cue double up as a playlist).

I hope that this helps! smile.gif
Bourne
dv1989, oh ok. that is the answer I was looking for. So the audio-gaps are specified as gaps then in the cuesheet. Ok I got the idea.

So, in practice, audibly, a CD that is burned with the gaps merged in the tracks (as silence), would have the same effect of the original CD, that is... no need for the cuesheet then...
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