Hi!

It may be stupid but...

...i was used to have $drawrect with blurred borders to the outside of the actual rectangel.
But now in the latest beta $rectabs does not have the "blur to outside" function anymore...or did i miss something?

http://wiki.hydrogenaudio.org/index.php?ti...2Coptions.5D.29

Doesn't the glow-option work? (You should set radius, too)

The "glow" option determines the ... strength of the glow.
All options are working, but just to the inside of the rectangle, not to the outside.

terrestrial, without you i started using winamp.

Why are you not using foobar anymore?
For me it is not a reason to stop using it just because terrestrial is not around in the moment.
I cant understand you guys.

Agreed... its not like Panels UI doesn't function now that terrestrial is gone. Development has just been... halted? at the moment until/if he returns. I am still using it because it is a great UI, and my layout is still fully functional. If you want the glowing rectangle, go back to an older build.

In my own opinion, saying that you're gonna use winamp, itunes, wmp etc wont make terrestrial want to continue development, cause I don't think he cares which media player you use... .

I hope he comes back, and continues working on Panels UI because I enjoy seeing new change logs from this component, but only time will tell.

And just a side note to terrestrial himself. When I had mentioned the idea of a track display that might be able to show other components inside it, no one really acknowledged the idea except for you. You made it real, and got SOOO many people to start using it and create AMAZING layouts. You really changed foobars look, and you shouldn't really let a few people who don't like it bring it down . I know people who don't like foobar, yet its still being developed. So Panels UI is the same thing... keep it coming, and make those of us who love your work continue to enjoy new things !

That is all .

Your speech is lacking the concluding sentence somehow. I'll have to do that for you. "Terrestrial, do you want to marry keikonium?"

XD. Pardon me? Not sure how to interpret that, good or bad? .

I was simply stating that Panels UI was a great interface for foobar, and he shouldn't let a few people stand in the way of that.

If there is no word from Terrestrial by mid-September I'll consider foo_ui_panels kaput.

Does someone know what exactly happened to him? Left he some words to us?
Maybe his Pc crashed or something else in his personal life?
Maybe he went on holidays?
Maybe he is working hard on the next version?

Guess if anybody knew what exactly happened, he would have told us?
Since his last post in the "offensive" thread (the thread which maybe killed panels_ui's development) he hasn't been around anymore (last active on 25th July 2007 - 21:22)

We all just can hope the best, so called that his pc crashed, he's on holidays or working on the next version.

I just read the mentioned "offensive thread".
It is unbelievable.
The foobar2000 guys behave like terrestrial has broken something in their porcelain store.
I understand now why some ppl are stopping using foobar2000.
It is protest against the officials behaviour.

I dont know what happened behind the curtains.
But the way it looked in the above mentioned thread it is not very mature by the officials to react.

What will happen to PanelsUI and the wonderful it makes possibel?
Maybe someone (i do not have the resources...) can provide a neutral forum or what to discuss this further.

I dont think that Terrestrial will be back in this forum...

I really hope you are wrong but who could blame him.

Somehow I understand the devs, panels_ui attracted a lot of users. Well, you would say whats bad about it? It's pretty easy, foobar was designed to be a small, feature-rich and somehow advanced audio player. It does (eventually on purpose) not look that good when shipped. So panels_ui attracted users to use foobar not for the reasons it was designed for.

Panels_UI got also so much attention, even plugins that users waited a long long time for got almost no attention anymore.



Anyways, I use foobar for some time now, I started with it's default layout, switched to columns_ui, which offered me a lot of possibilities to make my foobar look great (even I do like a bit eye candy at some point.).
Then terrestrial came up with his trackinfo_mod and single columns playlist, which both made it easier to do some great stuff.
Panels_UI was the perfect solution, you can EASILY create a great layout, as the syntax is pretty easy.

I love panels_ui the way it is, I'd never would have used it if it was based on lua or some other complicated scripting language (which is one of the points terrestrials plugin was heavily critisized for). Not that I'm too much of an idiot for a more professional language, but I don't wanna waste a lot of time just to create a layout I like.



Anyhow i hope terrestrial continues development someday. It's not that panels_ui is unusable in it's current state but there are a few things which could be optimized and a few options are still missing. Still I won't stop using it (unless there's something better out someday), no matter if terrestrial comes back or not.

where's that thread you're talking about? link?

Separate UI forum?

I don't really understand why they are making such a fuzz about it. People who like foobar for it's functionality will keep liking it for that. And in my point of view it's not bad that you can make something functional prettier. This is done with everything once it works perfectely.

And... it's not that your obligated to use panels ui, you can still make foobar the way you like it and that I think is what attracted me and a lot of other users in the first place.

I'm a vulgar fb2k user,and I don't care the mentioned "We, the foobar2000 team, share a dislike for Panels UI due to its poor design* and implementation".I just love music,and I use foobar and Cepiperez's Dark config to listen my music.Am I wrong to use an eye candy player?We all hope fb2k is getting better and better,but when terrestrial tries to achieve the hope,is he wrong,too?I don't know any complicated scripting language,but 'script' shouldn't become a main point.For developers,some of them just don't like PanelsUI,and in regard to the reasons,I've just a word:that's increadible.But for users,I am one of them,who cares about them?You can say:'If you don't like,throw it.There are a lot of audio players there.'But it's not the right way for discussing.I hope the fb2k developers just mind their main work.Let the users decide what kind of component dead or alive.Maybe they can see how Firefox team open a new explorer to the world.
But I don't think fb2k developers have an open mind to accept any criticism.Oterwise they wouldn't close the thread which only discussed two days.

Lest this thread denigrate into the black holes that have marked previous discussions on this topic, I'll be brief. To me, the developers' opinions on certain third-party developers have less to do with politics than with quality control. They aim at delivering a high-quality, professional-grade product, and do not appreciate when third-party developers make decisions that could compromise the integrity of the product.

I've perceived this focus from the very beginning. Hacks have been disallowed. I suspect that this is because of the shoddy development practices of the Winamp team while W3 was in beta and W2 was current. I see that Peter was very influenced by the issues surrounding Winamp, and intended foobar2000 to be free of those problems. He's been successful. The problems with foobar2000's development model centre not around the poor design of the API, but rather the poor design of some of the third-party components. Its issues are very different from those surrounding Winamp.

I am the king of fools sometimes. I make asinine claims, get trollish, and even more, yet I still remain in contact with the development team on IRC. I don't personally develop (yet), I just hang out and chill. Nevertheless, they put up with me. They're quite welcoming people. You just have to invest the time to communicate with them. They are very knowledgable and very willing to share their knowledge. I've personally witnessed this trait countless times.

Third-party developers run into problems when they try and go it alone. Inevitably, they come up with some hackish solution to something that the API provides better methods of solving. Alternately, they come up with solutions that the development team simply dislikes. The reasons behind the dislike are generally well-thought-out. When asked, those reasons will be communicated directly rather than tactfully. Instead of skirting around sensitive matters, they cut straight to the point. This might be simply a cultural difference!

I could be completely wrong in matters here. However, this is what I've perceived, so perhaps my mere perceptions hold some validity. I've been a rabid fb2k fan boy since I discovered the masstagger, and I've hung out on IRC for countless hours.

I sincerely hope that terrestrial uses this opportunity to begin communication with the development team about the best course of action for Panels scripting among other things. I pray he is not disillusioned by the direct and fervent manner of the development team regarding his design decisions.

Wow, that was brief?

I agree with you. This is the problem that hampers alot of Open source progies, too many cooks in the kitchen.

I really like what terrestrial has done and inspite of some lingering bugs I continue to use panelsUI v13.6. Its beyond me how some people are no longer using foobar because this plugin has stopped devolpement for the time being.

I just realised that I don't actually use any of the latest additions to the newer releases of Panels and think I might actually move back to a more stable release. Does anyone know the last version that had 'Always On Top' working? That is the one piece of functionality I'm really missing at the moment.

For that matter, has 'always on top' ever been working?

The version I'm using has it and it seems to work fine although I don't use it all the time. I use v13.6 for the "hide title bar". Its so much easier to click that to resize a window than changing it in the code everytime. It also seems to use a touch less memory

I really appreciate the work that especially terrestrial has done for foobar2000, but as many of the older fanboys, I like foobar mostly for it's functions and flexibility. It has all the possebilites I've always screamed for Winamp to have.

I really wish that more people would open the eyes for the other possebilities with foobar than just graphical customization.

I've started to create my own panel, and I must say that I agree with the developers, that the titleformatting syntax is not the best way to create a layout. It works indeed, but things like setting and retrieving variables all over the code makes it look like a mess. Something more like PHP might work better for things like this.

To be hornest I've yet to see an "amazing skin" for foobar. If the looks of a media player is ones primary goal, I don't understand why they don't take a look at the amazing ones avaiable for Winamp.

This is my own oppinion and is not intended to start another flamewar or piss anyone off. I agree with both sides and hope that a solution can be made to make both partys happy.

Please don't confuse "developer" with "moderator". I don't know exactly, but "we, the developers" are AFAIK Peter and Foosion. Moderators -> here.

i appreciate the fact that foobar2000 is such a solid, dependable application, in a software world of mostly bug-laden crud, it's great to see developers committed to quality, kudos to them and their dedication

panels ui is great, kudos to terrestrial for working so hard and for listening to and interacting with its community

i do not agree with the attacks on terrestrial nor the notion that we who care about panels ui are somehow taking away from the foobar2000 community as a whole, naturally panels ui will generate more excitement and posts, eye-candy is more exciting than pure function, not that panels ui doesn't lend itself to functionality, that is up to the user, perhaps we should "Great Job" everyone and everything equally --as part of this rings of jealousy

perhaps the scripting used is not the most appropriate, i wouldn't know, i'm ignorant on this subject, panels ui is the only scripting i know, it works for me --i'm happy, if you're not --don't use it

just my opinion, god forbid i just insulted anyone
now please insult my intelligence at-will

I tried the new 0.14.12 Beta version, but the fonts looks strange. What's wrong?

Version 0.13.8


Version 0.14.12

Have you enabled $newsyntax() ?

There have been quite a lot changes to font/rectabs syntax and function.

See the wiki for further information:
http://wiki.hydrogenaudio.org/index.php?ti...els%29/Commands

What's wrong, is that it's a beta. Read the changelog when you install experimental releases.

0.13.8 is also Beta

to eisteh: yes, I enabled the new syntax. I also tried only $font(Calibri,14,bold). No glowing, no other special effects.

you can always go to the effects settings and create the effect you want for your fonts there. then you can just copy the code from there.
i also have 0.14.12 and it works perfect.

can you share it?
I can't live without the option always on top.

HI everyone. Recently i have been having some weird behaviors with foobar. I am not sure it comes from Panels UI, but as it is a window drawing problem i thought i would ask here first if someone had the same problem in order to figure it out.

After some time playing foobar, the window get suddenly drawn a second time on the left of my screen (position 0,0) but only the background. From that moment on the real foobar window stop working correctly and drawing itself correctly, i need to restart foobar for it to goes back to normal.
I use the very last beta of PanelsUI and it happens either with complete newsyntax or not. One friend of mine have been experiencing the same problem so it suggests it has to do with one of the plugins i use. I would like to know if someone else experiences it so we can figure out where it comes from.

It is not really to figure it out on my own by eliminating every plugin cause it happens quite randomly after listening for a while.

Carmen, are you using playlist tree? I noticed that my config used to keep getting redrawn after I'd started PL tree and I had it set to automatically refresh queries. I'm not sure if that is what is happening with you though.

No i already remove PLaylist Tree panel and it s still happening

How to close popup window when titlebar is hided ?
Close function closes whole foobar... ;\

Foreword:
I have little idea about how titleformatting works within Panels UI or foobar2000 and whether Panels UI uses its own interpreter, nevertheless script execution seems to be quite slow, especially when you use some eye-candy setups like fofR.

Hence the question:
Are titleformatting scripts (pseudo)compiled before actual execution? Just thought it may speed up a process a bit, instead of constantly interpreting them.

Make a button for it, the command is "Exit"

I agree, PanelsUI is way too performance-hogging. I put a few images in it, and resizing takes forever now.

In previous post I mean this command.
When I click this button, popup window get closed with main foobar window.
(foobar have hided titlebar)

Just as a reminder: Panels UI redraws as often as VBR bitrate refresh is set, if playing a vbr track AND using PerSecond.
I think it's very important to keep this in mind. IMO there should be even a hint in the first posting, because if people can afford not having a high vbr refresh, they can speed up their PanelsUI drastically.

Thanks for suggestions.
I had my VBR setting set at 2. Changing it to 1 didn't seem to imporove thigns and scrolling playlist is still a very painfully slow operation (on my Core Duo!) At the end of the day it's just a 2D graphics. Web browsers nowerdays show Flash, scripts, DHTML, image scaling and other things pretty fast so I believe there should be a way of improving Panels UI performance somehow.
Great plugin, nevertheless!

Is that you want to minimize the foobar2000??

The command is "Hide"

@ffbadkill
No, I want to close popup window when titlebar is hided.
But "Exit" command close popup AND foobar...

In new $imagebutton() function it seems that hover images are not displayed correctcly (I get them truncated) when you do not specify the normal image.
How do you change foobar2000 icon on taskbar? I tried it from Columns UI config, but with no luck. New icon gets added to taskbar, but it does not replace the default fb2k icon and dissapears as soon as you hoover your mouse over it.

Thats not PanelsUI fault. I have no issues with memory hogging with my config. I have a background image using transparency, images as borders and the album art and I no scrolling issues either. If I add say the new channell spectrum thing it adds 5mb of memory usage(what a waste). The bottom line is that it really doesn't add much for what it does. The config and other plugins could be to blame for your problems
I have a few plugins for dts, dsp and some others and my foo uses 3,008k when mimimized and 6,852 when open. Fofr's config with my plugins pushes usage up to 20,000kb!!!!
I'm using version 13.6 by the way


Setting to a lower number like 1 makes it refresh more often. The number should be set higher ie. 5


Changing the icon in ColumnsUI will only work if you are using ColumnsUI as your display method. If you are using PanelsUI you can use a program called Resource Hacker

I'm not mentioning anything about memory. I use mages for background, and with these applied, resizing is stuttering. Changing VBR rate has no impact on this, and it looks to me like a bad performing render-engine or maybe script-parser.

I also said

or resizing for that matter which responds directly to what you are saying and that is why I pointed to 1)code2)plug-ins

A good friend of mine has nailed Quake2 completely on P90 with 32mb of RAM.. He was saying it was 'not FAST, but OK'
For me PanelsUI is slow. I see it unreasonable that on a Core Duo 1.8Ghz CPU a simple 2D scrolling (even scripted) takes 0.5 sec for an update.
I could post a screenshot of what does my setup look like (modified fofR). But, acutally, a better idea would be to implement some sort of a timerefresh function equivalent in Panels UI just to have a common testing base when discussing performance issues like that. Otherwise it all depends on one's perception of FAST and SLOW, of course.

No, the setting is called "VBR bitrate updates per second", so a higher setting gives more updates. At least potentially, since the number of updates reported by the decoder is still limited by the number of bitrate changes in the actual file.

I stand corrected