I allow me disagree with most arguments which were here presented... AudioCD is a very complicated and tricky matter... I personally think (as I happen to work in this branch for 20 years now ) that what's important and what matters, is the result. So, if you have a rip/digital copy of AudioCD and it sounds good and you really CANNOT HEAR ANY DIFFERENCE then it's okay. That's why I use Feurio! It's quick, reliable (I make plenty of tests by Feurio! before ripping a CDs which are important for me...) And as for audio-copy protection, I used CloneCD in the version 4.2.0.2 and it works great, but when I want to be really sure I make digital rip using my CD player (which has, of course, a digital output) connected digitally direct into my PC

I don't use EAC as it is f***ing slow and the results aren't better than those of Feurio! I personally think that EAC is kinda HYPE here...

but remember, the fact that you believe you can't hear a difference doesn't mean there isn't a difference, one that may perhaps become more readily apparent at some other time

Shorty:

Well, let's say THERE IS A DIFFERENCE... On what number of samples? Do you think it's really important? Especially in louder kind of music (rock, metal) it's absolutely irrelevant, as you can't hear it... WHEN YOU HEAR IT, then you can correct it...

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Strange how some people can live so happily with errors that can be avoided, but are so strict regarding "as-good-as-it-can-get" psychoacoustic compression technologies... (specially being happy with MiniDisc, that makes it hilarious)
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Sorry, I couldn't hold myself.

Kblood:

These ERRORS are really so HORRIBLE that I can't fall asleep and if I happen to do so I am just awake within a minute, Mr. Wiseguy... Sometimes I seem you just wait on my appearance here to cavil deep enough into me... You make me sick... :x Are you always such or you just maybe HATE ME? Just because our opinions differ? What a luck we don't know each other... maybe it would end up more dramatically

MiniDisc is great technology and very helpful, indeed. It has great editing options, it's portable and it's quality is sufficient for all purposes it was invented for, Mr. Wise... Maybe you forgot it's a successor of the audiocassette. Nothing less and nothing more. Are you always so s****d? And there's MiniDisc and MINIDISC! It differs with ATRAC versions...

Yesterday I had a visit from one of my friends abroad and I made kind of blind test (he's a great Cranberries fan) with "Bury The Hatchet" CD and MiniDisc for him. He wasn't able to tell any difference, Mr. Wiseguy... and he is surely a very good listener.

I knew this could happen...

I would send this by PM, but maybe some people would like to see my reasons...

1) I know my post was very easily considered offending. And I know it was (probably) not appropriate. However, I didn't go into personal matters, which you thoroughly enjoy doing.

2) I admit I read your posts very carefully every time I run across them. Don't think I only read your posts or that I specially hunt them, though.

3) I admit I don't like your attitude when you read something that doesn't follow your stablished line of thought. You were presented solid arguments to prove the flaws in your reasoning, but you still deny them. And I have seen you giving advice totally against what you had already been shown as correct.

The way I see it, you keep spreading opinions as facts, and it gets me quite exasperated, even more when they are very heavily unfounded, or even wrong.

That's as personal as my (as you imply) "hate" goes for you.

Regarding ideology, politics, ethnics, whatever you want to throw in the mix, I couldn't care less.

Regarding MiniDisc: it simply makes no sense that you bash MP3 as crap, when it has been shown with proper testing that the codec MiniDisc uses is worse than LAME --alt-preset standard. MP3 is for many people, me included, for the same purpose as MiniDisc: PORTABLE. And it sounds better than MiniDisc when properly done. And if you bash MP3 as crap, buyt consider MiniDisc good, the conclusion is clear: PLACEBO.

And I don't see me calling you names anywhere in this post, now, do I?

budgie:

I suggest you have a look over the forum rules, specifically the parts about trolling.

Dibrom:

With full respect I suggest - notice, who STARTS AGAIN AND AGAIN with offending remarks... I don't feel very comfortable about it and I REALLY DON'T THINK I MUST BEAR ATTACKS of that kind...

Budgie:

Just because you don't like what someone has to say doesn't mean that you should respond the way you did -- completely irrationally, on a personal level, and off-topic. You could have either ignored Kblood, responded to him privately, or pointed out, *calmly*, why you thought he was wrong.

Also, I don't happen to think that Kblood's comment was that offensive really. He didn't comment about anything on a personal level. AFAICT, he only pointed out something that he thought was strange or didn't agree with. Maybe he didn't do that in the most "professional" way, but it still didn't warrant the discussion going off into this direction.

If you have further complaining to do, you can private message me.. but lets keep this thread from degenerating into a flame war.

Kblood: As you might know, I'm quite easily boiling... I'm not very young anymore and I had to live many bad things in my life what may have left consequences or if you prefer - after-effects. And what means being "personal"? If you could hold the distance, I would never use any kind of words I used...

Our opinions may and can differ... it's the right of us all to disagree. This doesn't mean you attack me anytime I write something here. If I am not allowed to express my opinion, it's no problem to ban me from this forum, I could understand it. BUT I NEVER ATTACKED FIRST, at least I don't remember doing so... Our opinions may differ, so what?! The world doesn't turn as I or you may wish, so why are so aggressive against me?

Probably this morning I wasn't exactly in the best of moods. My apologies for that.

But I jumped this time because I have already seen you give advice that several people have given you very solid arguments against. And yet you still go on spreading misinformation.

All the very expert people around here are very willing to hear and accept opposing arguments, and you have refused to accept your misconceptions, based on your long professional experience.

The placebo effect is not about personal matters, it's about what your brain makes you think you are hearing. It is a major influence in all matters discussed here, and you just deny its importance.

And the only time you put yourself through a test that was trying to show you how important it is, you backed off and never gave the results.

And still, you give advice based on conclusions totally influenced by a very obvious placebo effect. That is all my problem with you.

I would say that it shouldn't be too surprising that we would probably agree in many topics about anything else: human rights, politics, ethics, whatever...

Now if only you could accept that your ears may be deceiving you, and that is a weakness present in all human life forms...

Okay, that's decent. BTW, so was I... i.e. I was too in a bad temper...



These are no misconceptions, just the another way we judge the things!



Did I today anything like this?!



Dear friend (may I say you something like this?) whom gave I advice today?



May it be...



That's right, but it proves that NOBODY has a right then to claim HIS TRUTH is THE ONLY ONE. Your ears can deceive you, my ears deceive me... so, am I wrong due to this fact and you are right? It is a weakness, yes, it covers also human seeing, i.e. the way humans perceive colors in desktop publishing or pre-press, for instance or compressed video or pix...

I hope that you are satisfied with my answers and that we should not kill each other when we may some day meet...

But blind testing (PROPER blind testing) takes the placebo effect out of the ecuation.

That means that a result obtained with proper blind testing can be considered reliable, much more so when it's backed up by multiple listeners.

For me, that's reason enough to consider my ideas might be wrong, and then to proceed to test them properly, and, when found the actual truth, adopted it.

If I hadn't had an open mind to accept these opossing arguments, I might still be using Xing 128CBR!!! (well, that's a bit too much, you get the idea... )