Frank Bicking
Oct 23 2007, 06:17
QUOTE
You asked for a better name for "Prevent playlist update". I believe i would have understood the function with a name like "Don't send selection to Facet playlist"
That would be too long for a menu caption and almost exactly what you can read in the status bar.
q-stankovic
Oct 23 2007, 06:17
QUOTE(Frank Bicking @ Oct 23 2007, 08:29)
QUOTE(Bimbo Frogger @ Oct 22 2007, 18:57)
(...) create an autoplaylist with the query "artist HAS chicane" the playlistname with facets ist "New Autoplaylist" and with album list the name is "artist HAS chicane".
Queries as playlist names - I'll have to check with Peter if that is actually desired.
I like queries in name!
The main thing is however consistent behavior between different components (i hope other third party developers will thinks so too). Another iconsistenc to album list i found is following: [Example]If you create an autoplaylist out of a genre node and this node contains just one subnode album list will however take the genre as name. Your facet plugin chooses the name of child node. Creating a new playlist this is very good but if creating an autoplaylist that is very irritating because the autoplaylist is indeed based on genre and not on special album/whatever else field.
nightfishing
Oct 23 2007, 08:31
One of the functions that I really like about Facets is the ability to make changes in "both directions" to the query.
A couple of quirks I have noticed, both involving resorting multiple panes:
I have a four facet setup
year>genre>artist>album
If I have
2007>All>John Smith selected I get all the 2007 releases from John Smith.
If I keep John Smith selected and go back to set year to ALL
All>All>John Smith I get ALL releases from John Smith
BUT, the artist facet resorts when I change the year and I lose focus on the selected entry
(in this example "maria mckee" is the active selection for Artist)
Also,
If I have
All>All>John Smith I get ALL releases from John Smith
And I keep John Smith selected go back and set year to 2007 (and there are NO John Smith albums from 2007)
2007>All>John Smith
Then Artist falls back to "ALL" and I get all albums from 2007 regardless of Artist.
I understand "why" this happens, but intuitively I would l like to see the request produce an empty playlist.
Nova5000
Oct 23 2007, 10:28
Just a small feature request. If it exists and I missed it, let me know
I usually listen to my music with a playlist with all my stuff, shuffling with the random button (Sending to current playlist would be redundant), what I would like to see is the ability that when selecting something facets I can send it to a pre-existing/pre-defined playlist (Something like queue) or that it just jumps to the artist/album/song in the current playlist.
Great plugin! Keep up the good work!
boombaard
Oct 23 2007, 10:50
expanding on nightfishing's point somewhat: if you select something in the 2nd or 3rd column, it'd be very nice if the options available in preceding columns (at the moment it's only in the following columns) are automatically limited to the ones that have the following column's chosen option as 'true' :-)
Killmaster
Oct 23 2007, 22:23
All I can say is WOW. This plugin is almost interface perfection, and I'm not even kidding.
That being said, I do have one request: could you add a keyboard shortcut to toggle focus on the search bar? Also make pressing enter on the search bar play the first track in the results. Just a little something for us keyboard enthusiasts.
azazel100
Oct 24 2007, 03:08
Simplicity and elegance rules ;]
One feature request though ;]:
'Minimum number of songs' option for facets. Nodes which have fever songs are not displayed and the songs are added to the 'All' node(or possibly new synthetic node like 'Other').
This would help browsing through artist if one has a lot of singles.
I for example set Artist facet to "[%<album artist>%]|[%<artist>%]|[%composer%]|[%band%]". I like to have all the songs of the given artist displayed ( in contrast to the fall back mechanism of %album artist% tag).
This allows me to see both composer and performer of the album (or includes covers in the original artist's node). However, this results in lots of nodes with only few songs which clutters the list.
I think such option is nothing really fancy. I've seen it (and liked it ;]) in other, more simplistic applications, like MEXP for winamp.
Sorry for my English ;]
PS:
This 'Other' node may be useful in earlier mentioned case of not assigning song with empty tag to the 'All' node.
Frank Bicking
Oct 24 2007, 15:43
I have axed a number of posts of people who didn't read the FAQ or roadmap.
everytime i right click on an element in facets say an album or something like that it automatically loads the facets playlist with the selection... I think this should only do so on a left click and not a right click... the reason I say this is because I like to use facets to get music to add to my ipod and I have an ipod playlist which is active and then i look in facets and i just want to add a folder/album from a pane and instead of it just letting me right click and go add to current which is what I want it highlights the selection and changes the visible playlist to the facets one...
not sure if that makes sense but its very annoying... is it not possible to either have an option where I can send to playlist and then choose the playlist i want to add/send to via a drop down menu or stop it so that if i right click it doesn't change the active playlist...
Frank Bicking
Oct 25 2007, 00:01
Right-clicking on an item which has not been selected before causes a selection change, and thus the "selection change" action to be executed.
If you do not want this, set the respective option to "None".
boombaard
Oct 25 2007, 03:19
QUOTE(Frank Bicking @ Oct 25 2007, 08:01)
Right-clicking on an item which has not been selected before causes a selection change, and thus the "selection change" action to be executed.
If you do not want this, set the respective option to "None".
frank, sorry for repeating myself (it's just that i'm already sold on facets, so thanks for writing it :-))
but i was wondering if it is intentional that the facets are hierarchically linked..
that is, when i click something in the 2nd, or 3rd column, i'd very much like it if the preceding facets *as well as* the following ones are changed to show only the entries for which the choice in that facet is 'true'
if i select something in the first facet, all following facets are updated to reflect that choice, but if i select something in the third facet, nothing happens to the first 2.
would it be possible to fix that so that it works both ways?
thanks in advance
frank your a genious, thanks again - sorry if my question has already been answered in the documentation...
Generalverdacht
Oct 25 2007, 05:10
great plugin!
But i have one problem:
When using the bar for typing stuff like band names etc. it automatically influences my playlist via hotkeys. For example every "A" will use my link to quicksearch --> album.
Frank Bicking
Oct 25 2007, 10:27
QUOTE(boombaard @ Oct 25 2007, 11:19)
but i was wondering if it is intentional that the facets are hierarchically linked..
Yes. This is the very core idea of library viewers like this and it's not going to change.
QUOTE(Generalverdacht @ Oct 25 2007, 13:10)
When using the bar for typing stuff like band names etc. it automatically influences my playlist via hotkeys. For example every "A" will use my link to quicksearch --> album.
This has nothing to do with Facets, it happens in all other parts of the user interface.
Please see the paragraph about keyboard shortcuts in the
0.9.5 release notes.
Generalverdacht
Oct 25 2007, 11:23
QUOTE(Frank Bicking @ Oct 25 2007, 10:27)
QUOTE(Generalverdacht @ Oct 25 2007, 13:10)
When using the bar for typing stuff like band names etc. it automatically influences my playlist via hotkeys. For example every "A" will use my link to quicksearch --> album.
This has nothing to do with Facets, it happens in all other parts of the user interface.
So it´s not possible to use "simple" shortcuts, which doesnt influence my facets-search so badly? In the Quicksearchtoolbar it works... hence it´s no longer a "regular" ui -element, meaning a regular integrated part of my layout - I´d like to replace quicksearch bar with the new search function.
Bimbo Frogger
Oct 26 2007, 01:07
As said before, the command (keyboardshortcut) "set focus on search field" would be a great improvement.
DJ ATRAC
Oct 27 2007, 03:21
Hi Frank,
now, i try it in english.
Facets is the best component i've ever seen...
The new foobar core + facets = best player in the world...
One question please: Can i use decades in facet view, like 1979-1990 or 1989-2000???
Thanks
Frank Groß
Lance Uppercut
Oct 27 2007, 12:02
QUOTE(Bimbo Frogger @ Oct 26 2007, 03:07)
As said before, the command (keyboardshortcut) "set focus on search field" would be a great improvement.
Definitely a great component, but I would also like to see a keyboard short cut to the search field.
The last thing I think it needs to be perfect.
alphaex32
Oct 27 2007, 13:12
Would it be possible for the plugin to detect if a the facet playlist is currently playing, and not replace it if the selection is changed? A lot of the time I begin to play the facet playlist and then I start browsing and realize I have overwritten the playing list. Instead, maybe it could create a second playlist with a suffix or something (2). In lieu of a persistent queue system, this would be really helpful.
In the Facets preferences page, set the Events like this:
Selection change: None
Double-click action: Add to the Facet playlist
and you won't accidentally overwrite the playlist.
alphaex32
Oct 27 2007, 15:24
QUOTE(eevan @ Oct 27 2007, 16:11)
In the Facets preferences page, set the Events like this:
Selection change: None
Double-click action: Add to the Facet playlist
and you won't accidentally overwrite the playlist.
But then the only way to browse through other tracks would be to add them to the playing list. This would get confusing real fast.
Frank Bicking
Oct 27 2007, 15:37
Sorry, but your suggested behaviour is confusing and unpredictable.
Users would end up in many situations where it doesn't behave as they expect.
QUOTE(Bimbo Frogger @ Oct 26 2007, 09:07)
As said before, the command (keyboardshortcut) "set focus on search field" would be a great improvement.
Conflicts with the ability to add multiple Facets elements.
QUOTE(DJ ATRAC @ Oct 27 2007, 10:21)
Hi Frank,
now, i try it in english.
Facets is the best component i've ever seen...
The new foobar core + facets = best player in the world...
One question please: Can i use decades in facet view, like 1979-1990 or 1989-2000???
Thanks
Frank Groß
You can. I think this is what you want. If you find the preferences for facets, then in the facet columns box type "Decade" in the Name column and add the following code in the Pattern column.
$cut(%date%,3)0s
Nic
DJ ATRAC
Oct 28 2007, 08:16
Hi Nic,
Thank you very much.
It works great.
Frank
Yotsuya
Oct 28 2007, 08:35
Thank you Mr. Bicking for your wonderful work on this component. I used to enjoy this sort of thing with the old browser component but this is night and day more stable.
I wanted to request the ability to specify the name of the playlist which facet uses. I read earlier discussion regarding dynamic naming with titleformatting pseud-code and I wanted to be clear that I am not trying to revisit that topic.
What I am asking for is an option similar to:
File> Preferences> General> Commandline: "Always send to playlist :"
This way we could specify a name for the playlist other than "Facet Selection" and given that my above example is rooted in such a core section of the main foobar preferences I should think this approach would be very much in line with the existing UI structure.
Additional thoughts:
If every component locked the user into using its own unique playlist name than we would be unable to share a playlist between components. Sharing a playlist between multiple components leads to a simpler interface for the user while expanding functionality.
Frank Bicking
Oct 28 2007, 08:43
QUOTE(Yotsuya @ Oct 28 2007, 15:35)
I wanted to request the ability to specify the name of the playlist which facet uses.
To quote the FAQ:
Q: Can I change the name of the "Facet Selection" playlist?
A: Yes. Just rename it like you would rename any other playlist, the component detects that automatically.
would it be possible to make it display an entry for files that are missing the appropriate tag? like group them all under <Missing> or something like that. I hope you understand my request..
q-stankovic
Oct 28 2007, 12:22
If you don't like the "?" sign then write in the pattern line instead of %tag% following: $if2(%tag%,<MISSING>)
The Link
Oct 28 2007, 12:26
QUOTE(unkwn @ Oct 28 2007, 20:17)
would it be possible to make it display an entry for files that are missing the appropriate tag? like group them all under <Missing> or something like that. I hope you understand my request..
You can use a custom column with a pattern like for example $if2(%album%,'<Missing>').
shakey_snake
Oct 28 2007, 19:48
Small stupid thing I've noticed:
After you've used the filter, right-clicking on the filter drop down arrow gives the options:
Clear History and
Remove This History ItemIn all other such menus is foobar,
Clear History is named and capitalized
Wipe history.
and
Remove This History Item is capitalized as
Remove this history item
Ndkchk
Oct 28 2007, 22:54
Thank you very much for writing such an awesome plugin. I have one feature request, though. Would it be at all possible for each facet to follow the characteristics of the currently playing song? It would make it a lot easier to apply a quick filter for a category. I've got a quick and dirty screenshot
Ideally I'd like it to automatically do that.
Also, I think I found a bug--when playing on shuffle, clicking on a filter, then going back to all makes the next song be one from that filter. If you instead click on multiple filters before going back to all, the next song that plays is random.
Shinsou
Oct 29 2007, 02:46
while clicking on facets panes, i loose the current playing playlist. This works like fb2k's "Playback Follows Cursor". Example: on "genres" facet, 2x click any song from "rock", then select "techno" genre from facet; the next playing song will be from "techno" instead of now playing "rock". Also "activate now playing item" doesn't work after that. That behaviour isn't logical IMO.
Frank Bicking
Oct 29 2007, 05:05
QUOTE(shakey_snake @ Oct 29 2007, 02:48)
"Capitalization inconsistencies"
Thanks for pointing. The capitalization style is a bit inconsistent throughout the whole player. It's planned to change all menus to the sentence-style capitalization recommended in Windows Vista (e.g. "Remove this history item", "Wipe history" etc.). I'm going to adapt as soon as this happens.
QUOTE(Ndkchk @ Oct 29 2007, 05:54)
Would it be at all possible for each facet to follow the characteristics of the currently playing song?
Interesting - this could make a good use of the global highlight color.
QUOTE(Shinsou @ Oct 29 2007, 09:46)
while clicking on facets panes, i loose the current playing playlist.
This has already been discussed in the course of this thread.
QUOTE(q-stankovic @ Oct 28 2007, 13:22)
If you don't like the "?" sign then write in the pattern line instead of %tag% following: $if2(%tag%,<MISSING>)
odd I didn't have a ? entry they just weren't there. weird... well thanks for the help.
eejadx
Oct 29 2007, 21:24
Bug:
I looked over this thread and the roadmap and I have not seen it reported.
Facet collapses when changing fonts. It only happens when the search box is bottom-docked.
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Core (2007-10-28 08:21:14)
foobar2000 core 0.9.5 beta 2
foo_albumlist.dll (2007-10-23 17:36:22)
Album List 4.1
foo_cdda.dll (2007-10-23 17:36:06)
CD Audio Decoder 2.1.2
foo_converter.dll (2007-10-23 17:35:52)
Converter 1.0.1
foo_cwb_hooks.dll (2007-06-01 08:52:44)
cwbowron's title format hooks 1.2.beta2 [Jun 1 2007 - 08:52:24]
foo_discogs.dll (2007-10-06 23:42:24)
Discogs Tagger 1.12
foo_dockable_panels.dll (2007-03-28 09:19:02)
Dockable Panels 1.0.7b [Mar 28 2007 - 09:18:48]
foo_dsp_crossfader.dll (2007-03-01 09:53:30)
Gapless Crossfader 0.2.5.1
foo_dsp_std.dll (2007-10-23 17:36:24)
Standard DSP Array 1.0
foo_facets.dll (2007-10-21 21:44:23)
Facets 2007-10-21
foo_fileops.dll (2007-10-27 06:50:02)
File Operations 2.0
foo_freedb2.dll (2007-08-16 11:27:44)
freedb Tagger 0.5.2.1
foo_input_dts.dll (2006-07-22 16:35:48)
DTS decoder 0.1.7
foo_input_monkey.dll (2006-08-04 22:57:18)
Monkey's Audio decoder 2.1.1
foo_input_mslive.dll (2007-10-25 02:57:14)
mslive 0.4 (Intel SSE)
foo_input_std.dll (2007-10-25 17:56:28)
Standard Input Array 1.0
foo_lyricsdb.dll (2006-07-20 00:45:52)
foo_lyricsdb 0.0.7 beta 4
foo_masstag.dll (2007-08-20 17:01:20)
Masstagger 1.6
foo_playcount.dll (2007-10-16 02:08:06)
Playback Statistics 2.0
foo_popupplus.dll (2007-09-26 13:26:55)
PopUp Plus 20070926
foo_rg_trn.dll (2007-10-27 22:13:20)
ReplayGain override 0.1.2
foo_rgscan.dll (2007-10-22 17:58:18)
ReplayGain Scanner 2.0.2
foo_run.dll (2006-06-15 23:08:10)
Run services 0.3.2
foo_scheduler.dll (2007-01-09 22:33:46)
Scheduler 3.53
foo_sic.dll (2007-01-08 11:52:52)
foosic music database 1.0 beta 12
foo_timebomb.dll (2006-10-22 11:46:18)
Timebomb v0.0.1
foo_ui_columns.dll (2007-10-22 17:55:26)
Columns UI 0.2.1 alpha 1
foo_ui_std.dll (2007-10-28 08:20:38)
Default User Interface 0.9.5
foo_uie_lyrics.dll (2007-10-19 07:57:07)
Lyric Show Panels 0.3.1.1b8 DEV [Oct 19 2007 - 19:56:27]
foo_uie_pvt.dll (2007-10-09 11:21:58)
NGPV Preview 0.0.4
foo_uie_typefind.dll (2007-10-22 17:30:44)
Typefind 0.2 beta 2
foo_uie_vis_channel_spectrum.dll (2007-08-29 22:55:54)
Channel Spectrum panel 0.07
foo_unpack.dll (2006-11-04 09:17:06)
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foo_utils.dll (2007-10-20 11:56:56)
Playlist Tools 0.6.2 beta 1
foo_whatsnew.dll (2007-10-21 00:37:12)
Feature Watcher 1.0.4
mourner
Oct 30 2007, 08:44
First of all thank you for such a wonderful component! Simple, fast and elegant - love it.
Here are some usability issues I have:
1. The tab order with facets on the layout is strange: Facet search -> Playlist view -> Tabs -> Facet. It seems counterintuitive and besides It's very inconvenient because I often search for a particular artist and would like to quickly choose it from the filtered list with keyboard. Can this be fixed?
2. Mousewheel scrolls the current focused playlist instead of the current mouse-hovered one. So if I want to make another selection, first I need to click on a facet and only then scroll and click second time. Another case would be making a big selection and scrolling the playlist view to choose a song - requires a click on a playlist view first.
There's also a feature I would really like for you to consider - ability to set a hotkey for activating facet search (I use foobar2000 mostly with hotkeys so this would be really great - along with the fix to the first issue above).
Thanks a lot!
purged
Oct 30 2007, 11:58
Hi,
i already did this feature request for playlist view and now here, it would be great to have the columns being autosized or prevent them from resizing.
btw, great component very good work
Jose Hidalgo
Oct 30 2007, 22:17
Frank, many thanks for this gorgeous component that's just about to change our lives.
Here's my suggestion. To quote the FAQ :
* Q: How do I hide the leading "The", or change the sorting behaviour for artists with leading "The"?
* A: Have a look at the Preferences page, you will find an option there. No need for complicated title formatting.
That's great. But please remember that there can be lots of other leading articles, especially for latin or french artists : "Las Ketchup" ("Las"), "L'affaire Louis Trio" ("L'"), "Los lobos" ("Los"), and so on.
So here's an idea : couldn't we just have an input field in the preferences page where we would type all the exceptions separated by commas ?
The default could still be "The", but we could easily add more articles and have things like "The,Las,L',Los", etc.
And of course, still a single checkbox to activate/deactivate them all. Easy and user-friendly. What do you think ?
Thanks in advance.
Frank Bicking
Oct 31 2007, 12:46
I have released a new version that fixes reported problems and improves startup times.
Download |
ChangelogThanks for all your reports.
QUOTE(mourner @ Oct 30 2007, 15:44)
Mousewheel scrolls the current focused playlist instead of the current mouse-hovered one. So if I want to make another selection, first I need to click on a facet and only then scroll and click second time. (...)
Added to Facets; note that other UI elements still won't scroll on mouse-over.
QUOTE(purged @ Oct 30 2007, 18:58)
(...) it would be great to have the columns being autosized or prevent them from resizing.
If this should be added to the playlist view, I'm going to adapt to its behaviour.
QUOTE(Jose Hidalgo @ Oct 31 2007, 05:17)
(...) hide the leading "The", or change the sorting behaviour for artists with leading "The"? (...)
But please remember that there can be lots of other leading articles (...)
So here's an idea : couldn't we just have an input field in the preferences page where we would type all the exceptions separated by commas ?
Not a bad idea, but I'd prefer to avoid adding more options and stick to good defaults for now. (I know, good is not perfect.)
Maybe later as an advanced option, although I don't really like those either. We'll see.
shakey_snake
Oct 31 2007, 13:05
QUOTE(Jose Hidalgo @ Oct 31 2007, 00:17)
The default could still be "The", but we could easily add more articles and have things like "The,Las,L',Los", etc.
And of course, still a single checkbox to activate/deactivate them all. Easy and user-friendly. What do you think ?
Isn't this already available via title formating?
QUOTE(Frank Bicking @ Oct 31 2007, 14:46)
QUOTE(mourner @ Oct 30 2007, 15:44)
Mousewheel scrolls the current focused playlist instead of the current mouse-hovered one. So if I want to make another selection, first I need to click on a facet and only then scroll and click second time. (...)
Added to Facets; note that other UI elements still won't scroll on mouse-over.
I'm not getting it to do this. (but I don't think I want it to either, can foo_facets read my mind?
)
Frank Bicking
Oct 31 2007, 13:10
QUOTE(shakey_snake @ Oct 31 2007, 20:05)
Isn't this already available via title formating?
Not if you want to sort as "Beatles" but still display "The Beatles". Also, it's inconvenient and not user-friendly.
QUOTE
I'm not getting it to do this. (but I don't think I want it to either, can foo_facets read my mind?
)
My apologies, I uploaded the file to the wrong directory at first, please download again and retry.
shakey_snake
Oct 31 2007, 13:15
Got it. Thanks Frank.
nightfishing
Oct 31 2007, 15:56
Little problem with the "scroll-on-mouse-over function".
I have facets on a tab with other elements and when I switch to the other tabs, facets still "owns" the mouse wheel.
To scroll in the other tabs, I need to move the curser away from the tabbed elements.
Frank Bicking
Oct 31 2007, 15:58
Please redownload.
nightfishing
Oct 31 2007, 16:02
fixed!
TY
cartman(2vd)
Oct 31 2007, 16:51
firstly thank you for wonderfull plugin im using for just a litle time and i already love it... ive moved to it from albumlist tree viewer and tought of one feature that i find missing... i hope ill explain it clearly for my not so flawless english
... im using two facet tabs so far and i i have needs to sometime filter database on differnet matters. sometime i want to look through folder structure (folder->folder) sometime o want to filter first tab by artist leading latter and secon by artist (latter -> artist), sometime have genre and date/album in second tab (genre -> date/album). so far i can always click my way though these needs but i was thinking of some kind od "facet presets" where i can specify what i need in which tab and then jump though these options quickly with just one click. would anything like this be possible?
(i hope you understand what i think off)
Frank Bicking
Oct 31 2007, 17:00
Sounds complicated.
Just add a Tabs container to your layout and as many Facets UI elements with different combinations of views as you like.
cartman(2vd)
Oct 31 2007, 17:15
QUOTE(Frank Bicking @ Nov 1 2007, 00:00)
Sounds complicated.
Just add a Tabs container to your layout and as many Facets UI elements with different combinations of views as you like.
k ill live with it
i just thought that some easy presets dropdown list will win my day
btw just found graffic glith in search bar... ive tried some simple search and when i click search bar arrow for list to drop down i see them right:
then i rclick the arrow and choose clear history. after that when i click the arrow i should recieve empty list or some two pixel hight line with nothing in it except i get this:
as you can see maybe rectangle of before height drop down with "complete transparency" (those blue circles are part of wallpaper)... maybe its some issue with transparency settings? or object redraw?
mourner
Oct 31 2007, 17:18
Frank, thanks a lot! Works perfect now!
QUOTE(Frank Bicking @ Oct 31 2007, 19:46)
If this should be added to the playlist view, I'm going to adapt to its behaviour.
heh thx for the new version and noticing my request, yes its already on the request list hopefully it will be added in beta 3
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