Foobar 0.9.5 beta doesnt need much configuration. People are just concerned with configuration out of habit. The point however is - this has always just been a 3rd party syndrome. The official foobar2000 components aren't about configuration but about flexible usage - and 0.9.5beta is even more about usage and usability with less config bloat. The main candy of 0.9.5 isnt in the config but in how simple and how flexible it can be used.

To give just one feature-combo example which wasnt discovered yet in this thread: Quick Tagger, Albumlist and Autoplaylists each are very simple features..... but if you combine them, countless ways to use them become possible. This is where all the main work of 0.9.5beta went into: hundreds of possibilities to use it, yet staying simple and robust to use.

How about you just accept that your views are not everybody's views and that you don't know anyone's motive for wanting something.
The "all you care about is eyecandy" whining needs to stop.
Different people have different preferences, deal with it.
Your reasoning is that one of the main benefits of this new release is flexibility. Well, I can tell you one thing: it isn't nearly as flexible as I want for my needs. And no, that's not about shiny buttons or whatever.
But for other people it can be the holy grail, as they have different preferences.

How about you realize that you are using someone elses software, and that those views aren't simply mine, but a representation of the motives of the main developers of foobar2000 and official/semi-official components.

You're the one actively preaching them to a user, so I don't care whether it's your view you're preaching or the developer's view. You chose to tell other people what to find important.

I perfectly realize this is not my software. That's why you'll won't ever see me complaining about feature X or Y not being there.

That may very well be the most outrageous and egotistical views I have ever seen expressed on these boards. The open hostility towards those that don't share the purportedly correct "grand vision" of Foobar has been palpable for some time now. But to actually lie bare this backwards and completely irrational thinking is unheard of.

You can't seriously be arguing that there is only one 'correct' way to use Foobar2000, can you? really?

i hate those n00bs arguing abouth nothing :yawn:

+1

1st of all, the way i use foobar and his 3rd party components is my own mind, not yours (or those you mean representing => please, don't speak for others, give use your opinion!)

But, it seems to be a new mode to say that foobar is only for 'pure' listening and not, absolutly not for eye-candy display configuration ! According to me, foobar allows both (it's just my opinion!)

About 9.5.1, flexibilty make me laughting when i see this beta, but it's the way to take for foobar . Hope some great new additions soon, for noobs and high-level users... of course.

Regards,

Br3tt

And here you are reading it and bothering to reply to nothing. Way to go, another two minutes of your life wasted. And you called people n00b on teh interweb! How cool.
Postcount or registration date tells everything you need to know about a person, just keep telling yourself that...

My point is that I'm growing tired of people having some sort of elitist view about how people should use Foobar. To the point of attacking component developers on how terrible their components are for "Foobar's reputation". Which is quite the paradox seeing as those same people keep saying that Foobar is not for everyone. It doesn't have to be user-friendly because Foobar is only for hardcore fanatics. Then why would you be concerned about some component scaring of new user because they are too complicated?

There's a pretty simple solution, namely you either use a certain component or you don't and leave other users to make that same decision for themselves. I think it's pretty sad that a person like Terrestrial was publicly flamed for the way he executed the development of PanelsUI because some schmucks didn't think it was the right way. Here's someone developing a component in his own time and sharing it with others. And tell me, what did he get out of it? He (understandably) left. Now, people who enjoyed his plugin are left with a dead component. Way to go people.

Hear this, Foobar has an open plugin architecture. As a consequence, the limitations for a component developer are the architecture itself and his own abilities. The Foobar devs have chosen this type of architecture, then IMO!!! they should accept whatever is done with it and not publicly attack someone for creating something they don't like.

Nobody says that! The opposite is fact: Are you really so blind not to see that the new DefaultUI is the most userfriendly Ui foobar ever had. When i compare it to PanelsUI i ask myself who are the hardcore fanatics?

By the way: My new foobar with DefaultUi looks hot and pretty and i only needed 2 minutes to set the Ui

Well-said. I trust (or at least hope) that the developers are more focused on making that sort of intense customization *unnecessary* than upon making it impossible.

Whether Foobar2000 was originally envisioned as the remarkably extensible and customizable piece of software it's become, that customizability has always been among this program's greatest assets. If you want a music player with a slimmed down, minimalist interface, you've got it. If you want one with every conceivable bell and whistle, you've got it. Heck, if you want one that can be controlled by your toaster, you've (probably; I am not aware of a foo.toaster plugin, but its existence would not surprise me) got it. And now, if you want a music player you don't have to spend the better part of a day or two setting up the way you want it, you've got it.

Does anyone really see any of this as a *bad* thing? If so, why?

Thank you very much for proving my point, you're the perfect example.
If I don't agree with what YOU think of it, I must be blind... Talk about ignorance and self-centered.

And how can you compare it to PanelsUI, seeing as PanelUI doesn't have a look, as it is determined by the user.
If you are talking about setting it up, then yes Default is easier. But also immensely less configurable.
Plus, NEWSFLASH, some people actually enjoy creating configs even if it takes some time.

To me it's about setting up Foobar the way I think it's most userfriendly. And yes, the way I have set it up it is the most userfriendly UI for Foobar. FOR ME
You can tell me that I am blind 1000 times, but you don't even know what my Foobar looks like or how it works so you don't know anything.

Some of you people should consider switching to Mac's, they'll like people like you.

You should only know, how many times this has been regretted and wished non-existant.

I guess this is (at least partially) aimed at me, and I am getting tired of people saying this. So once and for all: my "infamous" post was only meant to criticize the design and implementation aspects of Panels UI. If you interpret it as a personal attack on terrestrial (because of different cultural background/sensitivities), well, sorry, it was never intended like this.


I think this view is mainly purported by users. The idea I see behind "foobar2000 is not for everyone" is that Peter does not intend to create a one-fits-all solution, neither with foobar2000 as a whole nor with the new Default User Interface. Some people are going to like it, others won't.


Nobody forced terrestrial to abandon the development of Panels UI and his fans. He could have chosen another site to communicate with them.


Why do you think that we would not be entitled to implement some quality control, for example only allowing the use of components that have been tested and digitally signed by us? Not that we are going to do that. Still, the questions remains if we have to accept and welcome every plugin on this forum. My experience tells me that this (hard) decision will be made solely among the people who maintain this site.


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