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krabapple
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1200446920...tml?mod=djemITP

Of course, it's a rather silly but fun article. It looks like for most of the comparison, each subject did just one trial. Three trials at most.

For the mp3 vs CD trial, for example, 18 our of 24 people preferred the CD in what seems to be a single trial each. How to measure the statistical significance of that?
muaddib
No details in the test what encoder was used for those mp3's. Not even bitrate.
eevan
Well, it's good that he didn't post those results here, as he would have been considered quite incompetent smile.gif
But it seems ok for the Wall Street Journal.
sld
Already quite impressive that A-B was used.

Now since they have all the comfy setups they can create, they should increase the number of trials, yes. There shouldn't be any more claims of listening fatigue.
Garf
If the goal is to check what the average human can do, it does not matter if one person takes 10 trials or 10 persons take 1 trial. In fact the latter is better because it takes a bigger sample of humans.

18 out of 24 is a highly significant ABX. The question is of course if "three-quarters" really means 18 smile.gif
It is no surprise that poorly encoded or very low bitrate MP3's are distinguishable from a CD.

When talking about the test of speaker cables, he reports 61% of 39 people correctly identifying the cable. But that is actually not a statistically significant result.
krabapple
QUOTE (Garf @ Jan 17 2008, 12:33) *
If the goal is to check what the average human can do, it does not matter if one person takes 10 trials or 10 persons take 1 trial. In fact the latter is better because it takes a bigger sample of humans.

18 out of 24 is a highly significant ABX.


Well, significant , yes -- my bino_dist table says 18/24 has a p = .011 -- but that score is 'green' (good) rather than 'yellow' (great) on the table. wink.gif

QUOTE
The question is of course if "three-quarters" really means 18 smile.gif
It is no surprise that poorly encoded or very low bitrate MP3's are distinguishable from a CD.


Yes, but he wrote that they were 'high-quality' MP3s. Albeit with no explanation of what that means.
I've sent him an email asking what he meant.

(Also, 3/4 * 24 = 18, am I way off here?)


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When talking about the test of speaker cables, he reports 61% of 39 people correctly identifying the cable. But that is actually not a statistically significant result.


But two of them were were John Atkinson and Michael Fremer! How can you disbelieve? laugh.gif
Ron Jones
QUOTE (Garf @ Jan 17 2008, 09:33) *
When talking about the test of speaker cables, he reports 61% of 39 people correctly identifying the cable. But that is actually not a statistically significant result.

That's great and everything, but how many listeners found cable A to be more danceable? tongue.gif
Trainwreck56
surely a sample size of 24 is too small to be able to draw any 'real' conclusions, even if the result is significant?
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