Guys,

I'm just wondering at what LAME version the --r*mix preset can be applied.

Rio

EDIT: the very first version please?

When I started reading at the r3mix web site that switch already existed, and I think lame was at version 3.89 then. BTW, r3mix was just a combination of other standard switches, no special code behind it, unlike Dibrom's contributions.

Edit: What I was trying to say is that even before the r3mix switch was added, you could get the same effect with the right combination of standard switches.

IIRC it was 3.88beta, but i could be totally off...

...and dibrom's presets began as a "combination of standard switches" also.

at the release of 3.90 (and before, in development releases) the --dm-preset/--alt-preset switch became a much more involved process at the encoder level rather than just switches.


later

Thanks for your replies. So far I had it tried on LAME 3.89 (what the hell am I doing?) from Rarewares (really rare wares).

Well, it WAS a good start THEN (if a guy comes from the Xing 128kbps MP3 era).

No wonder it eventually got replaced... just tried on one track "Aerosmith - I Don't Want To Miss A Thing" and there was audible flanging on a portion of the song.

Just curious though.

Thanks again.

I remember that r3mix would get very huffy if anyone claimed that his switch was anything less than perfect. This eventually led to Dibrom going off and forming HA. The r3mix web site then soon disappeared.

Wow, that's really neat to know. Thanks for the history lesson! (All this happened a little before my time... well, before the time when I cared about QUALITY digital audio...)

Nono.

It was rather calm like that, but we had quite dramatic discussions on IRC and PMs ack in those days prior to 'project mayhem' which led to hydrogenaudio.

Most differences were regarding how to proceed, and what to base findings on (ditching the graphs and graphical figures) and how to motivate and trial tests.

Roel (r3mix) had his visions, and dibrom and other had other plans.
We just drifted apart there and it got more heated than needed, but it would be unnecessary to say that there were any strong personal feelings.

Hehe.. we had a lot of minichannels back then
two mainchannels and a few gossip ones..

man I'm getting old :/

Hmm... how come my join date is after yours but my member number is lower? That's weird.

I remember that Prolly why my member# is so low... !

IIRC r3mix stands for -V3
But I don't know for how long it is -V3 and how long it stood as a shortcut for the long command line...

From v3.94 --r3mix is simply an alias mapped to -V3 --vbr-new. So in versions after 3.94 you simply get a tuned Vx preset. In previous version it is the 'normal' r3mix without alt-preset tuning.

You might have to be carefull if you looking for LAME 3.90.3, I had a mod build of it which was only supposed to add the encoder settings tag but for some reason --r3mix was mapped to --alt preset standard.

i'm sure that was intended.

My 3.88 encodes with --r3mix OK. 3.87 does not.


--r3mix started life as a simple, fairly sensible set of switches. It then evolved into something developed by Roel without the use of any listening tests. He did ask for help from some of the better listeners but didn't get it "no time". So, he went at it alone and made some strange decisions along the way. Those with "no time" went onto then develop the alt-presets and HA. That's roughly how I saw it back then from the outside.

It could have been easier to just use a slightly altered V1 setting than , but what he did was use use untested ATH switches probably just to bring the bitrate down first, while still showing of V1 because it has a high lowpass that looks good to audiophiles. I remember Dibrom said --r3mix has no noise estimation because of those ATH settings.