cause its NIN I thought I post it here:
http://theslip.nin.com/

its supposed to be super good as well... only listening to the first post.

Oh they also have a flac version!

Two more points:

• It's 100% free
• It includes torrents for 24/96 WAVs

Thanks for posting this. I probably wouldn't have known otherwise. Strange how he just leaked a new song a day or two ago and now the whole album. Eh, I am not one to complain as free is free.

Thank you!

SG

Thank you! I heard about Ghosts I-IV from HA too (though I found it in the news on many portals later). I'm downloading the 24/96 version right now. I'm pretty sure that I won't be able to ABX it from the 16/44 flac, but I'm still curious and I don't have any music of this resolution yet

Thanks for the heads up!

As truly bizarre as it seems, I really would like to pay for this album. I thought Ghosts I-IV was easily worth $10 for the 36 tracks it included, and I'd be more than happy to pay $5 or so for this one. According to the site, we won't be able to buy physical copies until some time in July.

It's good to see he's still enthusiastic about licensing his work under a Creative Commons license.

Awesome! Thanks for the link!

Torrenting the flacs now. W00t!

Finally, license-free 24-bit 96 kHz files for us downsample and try to ABX!

Yes, the 24/96 version indeed has frequency components to just below nyquist. 24bit are pure awesome, considering the albums RG value is -9.39dB

BTW, Ghosts I-IV is freely available on archive.org in a variety of formats. I just discovered my University has a 100Mbit connection to archive.org... How useful!!

http://www.archive.org/details/nineinchnails_ghosts_I_IV

Just downloaded the FLAC version version today, Trent Reznor is really kind to let fans download it for free and also having a HD 96khz option aswell.

Am downloading the the 24Bit 96 Khz version ATM, am just wondering what setting would be suitable for this resolution on Nero AAC. I was thinking that q 1.0 might be fine, i know and have abx 96khz samples that chokes at q 0.55 in the past.

EDIT: Removed some reapeated text, the site is acting odd on me today

Woot! Excellent on the NIN!



And it is free legally?

Same here.

Ditto.

Yah, it was released under a Creative Commons license.

Yes, Ghosts I-IV is licensed under a Creative Commons Noncommercial-Attribution-Share Alike license. Free to distribute for noncommercial use.

EDIT: ...and legal mumbo jumbo for that license is here if anyone's curious.

IIRC the Ghost stuff was also under the CC license. So, yes. It's perfectly legal.

Excellent.

CC? Can someone create a torrent of a losslessly compressed 24bit version of this album then?

PS: I can't download this at all. I'm stuck at the "download token" page, it simply won't show me any download links. Hell, why can't they just create public torrents at the Pirate Bay?!?

thanks for the heads up, read it here first

can i flac the 24/96 up by dragging it into EAC like 44.1 WAVs?

I'm not sure if you're at this page or not, but after submitting a token, you'll come to a page that lists the various formats. The links are actually the desaturated red-colored descriptions. There's kind of a minor usability issue there where the links aren't underlined and don't have any kind of hover action, so it's hard to tell that they're links unless you're keeping a sharp eye on your cursor.

They didn't submit this stuff to TBP because they're now running their own tracker (tracker.nin.com, I think), and I suppose that's for tracking purposes.

wonder why there is a 16/44 flac but no 24/96 flac. hope they're not using flake/winamp to encode.

Ironically, the RG Album Gain is -9.39db, even for the 24/96 release. That said, 1,000,000 sounds much more dynamic than its -10.81db track RG would suggest.

Sooner or later this will happen assuming it's still not the case. The Ghosts I-IV FLACs are definitely there to find.

Nope, I don't get that far. Submitting the token does nothing, it will only reload the "download token" page. Same problem with IE7, FF3 and Opera 9.50.

Yeah, I found a link to a torrent on that NIN tracker via Google! Although it has some kind of user hash, it works nevertheless. So much for tracking the download amount of individual users. (Or whatever the purpose of this ultra-secure registration process and one-hour-lasting download links is about)

How come?

Uhm... this is the 24bit version, second track:



...padded with 0s...

FLAC -5 gives an average bitrate of 1822kbps. Is that consistent with 16/96 (padded)?

I just tried on track 5:

the "-16" version is just truncated to 16 bits (no dithering) and compresses roughly to the same size. Within the sections I checked via hexdump you can see that every third byte is a zero byte. So, it looks like its mostly only 16 effective bits -- at least for track 5.

Other than that the spectrum shows some sounds above 24 kHz which are likely to be aliasing -- maybe due to bad resampling within one of the tools he used (ie sampler).

I'd say the 24/96 version is a waste of bandwidth assuming this applies to all tracks.
I like the album, though. Gonna keep the 44kHz 16bit FLAC versions...

Cheers,
SG

Also if you compare waveforms of track 9 the 96/24 version appears to be more compressed has more clipping. I think I'll stick to the flac version too.

Teemu

That explains why the 24/96 .wav versions get such massive compression in FLAC (0.200-0.500 ratios) - there's little additional data in them to begin with.

so there is a little bit extra frequency to the 24/96? is there any quality difference otherwise?

The only track that has finished download therefore I copied on my pendrive is 999,999.
I had a deep look at it in hex, and it seems that every 3rd byte is 0x00, therefore it's padded to 24 bit. There goes my 24/96 test material

Does this mean the 24-bit output is undithered? I wonder if we got the raw undithered output in 24-bit, which would be sorta nice. if it's being reencoded to lossy.

What I can see that it's essentially a 16-bit signal converted back to 24-bit. I don't know how they converted it to 16 bits, it was probably dithered, but then it's dithered 16-bit data with additional 8 bits of nothing
But I would have liked to try TAK compression on true 24-bit music
When I get home in the morning I'll have a look at the other, partially downloaded tracks...

http://www.hydrogenaudio.org/forums/index....mp;#entry487119

There are other boards and/or areas on this forum to discuss musical likes/dislikes.

I also thought this was interesting

high-quality MP3s (87 mb)
will play in any MP3 player. encoded with LAME at V0, fully tagged.


I only downloaded the FLAC files, so I assume that's LAME V0. Better than Xing 128 kbs ;-)

I am not quite sure what you are trying to say there but yeah, that is better than Xing 128kbps encodes. It seems like Trent keep learning with every release. Ghosts I-IV were encoded with FLAC, Apple Lossless, and Lame mp3 at 320kbps. My guess is he did some searching around and found out that -V 0 would probably be better given that -V 0 is overkill for most people yet it takes up less space than 320kbps CBR encodes.

We will see what he does with the next Nine Inch Nails release in terms of formats/bitrates that he offers it in. The funny thing is that I was in another set of forums and people were complaining about the -V 0 quality of Lame mp3. Well, they were actually complaining about the mp3 format in general and all praised the 24/96 WAV release. I asked for blind ABX tests and they all told me those tests didn't work. So yeah, I now no longer visit those forums.

Checked the properties and it says they used a program called Sound Grinder 3.2.4 to encode the flac files.

http://www.monkey-tools.com/soundgrinder/sgformats.html

States that it uses FLAC 1.2.1

I never would have seen this today if someone hadn't posted it here. Thanks.

Anyone notice how there are a couple different versions of the WAV torrent? The last two tracks are swapped on some. I'll figure out which is which later. I'm probably going to grab the FLAC for some of my friends.

It's interesting that they didn't use Sound Grinder last time with Ghosts I-IV. They used Max 0.7.1.

you can find the official torrent via nin.com

They were both official torrents from the nin site. (They used the nin tracker).

The first one I got off demonoid that was posted last morning.
The second one I got through the email message later in the day.

I think they realized the problem and started giving out the new torrent. The old one still works on the tracker though. Also, something else I noticed is that the second image in the WAVs is a PSD while the rest are JPEGs.

Yes, "Nine Inch Nails - The Slip - Wave 96-24 High Res\The Slip art\02-1000000.jpg" is 4.14MB, and is actually a PSD file, in the files I downloaded.

Does this mean that these highrez files are more likely 16/96 or 16/48?

Maybe someone should warn Trent Reznor about this 24/96 issue?

With the exception of 07 Lights in the Sky.wav and 08 Corona Radiata.wav they're technically 16/96 files. These ones look true 24-bit ones though, and FLAC and TAK compresses them worse than the rest (they're over 2mbps). It seems that these lossless codecs can handle the rest quite well (though I thought that padded lower-resolution files are a very special case), e.g. TAK -p2m compressed the album to 561,537kiB from 1,491,127kiB.