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bubka
Here you guys go, the file preview does not work but it records files just fine

extract the DLL to Program Files\Ahead\Shared\AudioPlugins

http://www.geocities.com/mausau/nxmyogg.zip

/edit, OK i am dyslexic, can someone change the title, thanks
rjamorim
QUOTE(bubka @ Mar 1 2003 - 12:10 AM)
Here you guys go, the file preview does not work but it records files just fine

extract the DLL to Program Files\Ahead\Shared\AudioPlugins

http://www.geocities.com/mausau/nxmyogg.zip

/edit, OK i am dyslexic, can someone change the title, thanks

Geocities sucks.

Can you send the file to my mail?
user posted image

I'll upload it to a decent server. biggrin.gif
rjamorim
Wee! Here it is.

http://web.onda.com.br/rjamorim/nxmyogg.zip
238Kb

@bubka: Are you the developer? (So that I can add proper credits to RareWares)
bubka
QUOTE(rjamorim @ Mar 1 2003 - 03:53 AM)
Wee! Here it is.

http://web.onda.com.br/rjamorim/nxmyogg.zip
238Kb

@bubka: Are you the developer? (So that I can add proper credits to RareWares)

laugh.gif no, somebody posted the link over at neowin, thats all i know, good stuff though

found a page where the author posted the link though

http://www.afterdawn.com/news/archive/3805.cfm
R.A.F.
Yeah !

To that "thing" we Nero-users were all waiting for years now. Why did that take sooooo much time until it was released? - Any (more interesting): Why had such a simple (more or less i suppose; okey, i´m a non-programmer), but nevertheless very important plug-in to be released by someone outside the programmer´s-rose of Nero ?! - Questions over questions to which I for sure never will get an answer. I can remember a phone-call, which I made long time ago (more than 1 year) to Ahead, where I asked (unfortunately a sales-man from them), whether and when there will be written a Plug-In for MP+ (yes, so long ago it is already) - and that man even didn´t hear anything before about MPegPlus these days. (Yep, sometimes I do really crazy things.)

Btw: I just checked it out - and..... surprise surprise: It works !!!

Now we are all waiting for PlugIns for MPC and APE (Monkey´s Audio). Hope that right now someone´s already over to write those.....

Seems that good things take their time.


- R.A.F. -

@rjamorim: I just switched off my download-manager (GetrRight), to download that plug-in. You won´t have problems with our "beloved" Geo when u do the same.
kjoonlee
from http://www.oggnet.de/forum/messages/79.html

QUOTE
Abgeschickt von Mausau am 24 Februar, 2003 um 11:50:42

Antwort auf: OGG Plugin für Nero Burning ROM von dr.evil am 19 Dezember, 2002 um 20:02:00:

Here is OGG Plugin for Nero Burning ROM:
http://www.geocities.com/mausau/nxmyogg.zip


edit: it has been out for quite a while, and all this time I thought it was a fake!
/\/ephaestous
The Settings box says:

Vorbis Ogg plugin written by Mausau
mausau@yahoo.com

Maybe someone should mail him
-Nepomuk-
What does this plug-in do?

Is it only for encoding audio files or can i burn ogg vorbis files on-the-fly?

I've don't checked if the plug-in works for me, just a small test.
Encoding audio to ogg works, and drag&drop *ogg files to a new audio-project works too.
But playback doesn't work. i have't try'd to burn some ogg's.

Is the plugin usable or not?
neoufo51
Yes, it's most definitely quite usable.

However, the configuration box needs a nice VBR q-1 through 10 slider, ABR, and more flexible CBR options. Basically, it needs to look like the encoding options box for OggDropXP'd rather than the early encoding options boxes for the many mp3 encoders years ago.

Hopefully some ogg developers can email this fellow and lend him a hand in perfecting the first and possibly best ogg plugin for Nero...
Cobra
First there should be plugin that allows:
1) Playback
2) Encoding (with all options)
3) Direct Burning
4) Pitrate Peeling option smile.gif
5) Plugin should be easy to use.
6) Am i missed somenthing? Plugin just should be full of features.

Then Ahead should post this plugin on their page. Like WMA one. 10:1 they will not post.
gandhi
Cobra, Location: Szczecin / Poland / True Europe. Eastern Europe biggrin.gif
and please, don't join EU

as for the nero ogg. plugin, for now, I still use the ogg.tools with burnatonce, its free and great

no playback preview yet..


b.t.w. I was born in Poland, nothing against Poland, but my parents keep nagging that Poland is located in Central Europe, so i keep saying eastern Europe biggrin.gif
rjamorim
QUOTE(Cobra @ Mar 1 2003 - 06:49 AM)
Then Ahead should post this plugin on their page. Like WMA one. 10:1 they will not post.

Sh*t, dude, can't you notice that everybody got your message, that you are obsessed about Nero's Vorbis support?

It's their damn decision wether to post it or not. Please, stop repeating yourself and move on to more interesting subjects. Or simply shut up.

Regards;

Roberto.

BTW: It's quite obvious they won't post this plugin at their page without having access to the source code (to be sure there are no horrendous bugs) and without being sure the developer won't ask them for royalties for distibuting his plugin.
RaYaN
gandhi: What do you have against Poland???
SNYder
Well.... ummm... I see it allows encoding of files too, but wtf is up with it's options?

1) by default it is set to use CBR... grrrrr
2) look at the vbr options. Are those the quality settings (-1 through 10) but represented by words?

So yeah, ummm what the hells with the encoding options? blink.gif
TJA
QUOTE(RaYaN @ Mar 1 2003 - 10:20 PM)
gandhi: What do you have against Poland???

He was just quoting Cobra´s Location ....

And about them not joining EU ... don´t know blink.gif
Rasi
for me this plugin doesnt work at all.. nero doesnt even see the new plugin...
MadiZone
QUOTE(Rasi @ Mar 3 2003 - 02:50 PM)
for me this plugin doesnt work at all.. nero doesnt even see the new plugin...

Have a look at this thread : http://geekgossip.net/forums/viewtopic.php?t=530
Rasi
hehe.. just wanted to post that updating helped...

thanks anyway smile.gif
Wish
Ahead, while they make a good burning software, their lack of support for open source formats such as Vorbis is appaling to say the least. Support of VQF and MP3Pro? Who actually uses these cloased, proprietary(MP3Pro) and dead(VQF) formats? UGH.

It's time for Ahead to get their heads out of the sand and into the real world. dry.gif rolleyes.gif unsure.gif
n68
yup...


are there anyone who is working on mpc plugin !!
or is anyone aware of one..

the ogg. plugpatch.. is good stuff.. and more to nero..

but i belive there is a higher rate of mpc users
now days.. than for a year back..


ph34r.gif
Cobra
QUOTE(Wish @ Mar 3 2003 - 03:54 PM)
Ahead, while they make a good burning software, their lack of support for open source formats such as Vorbis is appaling to say the least. Support of VQF and MP3Pro? Who actually uses these cloased, proprietary(MP3Pro) and dead(VQF) formats? UGH.

It's time for Ahead to get their heads out of the sand and into the real world.  dry.gif  rolleyes.gif  unsure.gif

They are in real world: they don`t make or publish Ogg Vorbis plugin because they want to sell plugins for other formats (MP4, mp3PRO). There was half-fun-trolling topic about it.
rjamorim
QUOTE(Cobra @ Mar 3 2003 - 02:32 PM)
They are in real world: they don`t make or publish Ogg Vorbis plugin because they want to sell plugins for other formats (MP4, mp3PRO). There was half-fun-trolling topic about it.

Yes. And it seems you couldn't get to understand (or really didn't even read) what other people posted in that thread.

Tell me, Cobra, if they really created their own homebred Vorbis plugin, what would prevent them from selling it? AFAIK, they aren't forced to offer it for free.

Another question for you: Is trolling and being a zealot that fun, that you can't help doing it?
Cobra
QUOTE(rjamorim @ Mar 3 2003 - 07:14 PM)
QUOTE(Cobra @ Mar 3 2003 - 02:32 PM)
They are in real world: they don`t make or publish Ogg Vorbis plugin because they want to sell plugins for other formats (MP4, mp3PRO). There was half-fun-trolling topic about it.

Yes. And it seems you couldn't get to understand (or really didn't even read) what other people posted in that thread.

Tell me, Cobra, if they really created their own homebred Vorbis plugin, what would prevent them from selling it? AFAIK, they aren't forced to offer it for free.

Another question for you: Is trolling and being a zealot that fun, that you can't help doing it?

Because there are fully-featured and free Ogg Vorbis encoders (for mp4 and mp3PRO there is no fully-featured and free encoder) and it will be stupid to charge for Ogg Vorbis support - it will not help promotion of Nero (tons of e-mails with questions "Why i have to buy..."). You have right they can charge for it, but who will buy it? So making plugin and charging for is not good option (no money). Making and not charging also - people will start using Ogg Vorbis instead of buying mp4/mp3PRO. So Ahead don`t want to make plugin.
rjamorim
QUOTE(Cobra @ Mar 3 2003 - 04:30 PM)
Because there are fully-featured and free Ogg Vorbis encoders (for mp4 and mp3PRO there is no fully-featured and free encoder)

There is fully featured and free MP3 encoders out there. And still Ahead sells the MP3-only plugin. Availability is surely not the issue here.

QUOTE
and it will be stupid to charge for Ogg Vorbis support - it will not help promotion of Nero


Of course it will! Ahead can then claim to be one of the first CD-burning software supporting Vorbis.

QUOTE
(tons of e-mails with questions "Why i have to buy...").


Tons of e-mails only from zealots like you, that think Vorbis should/must be free.

QUOTE
You have right they can charge for it, but who will buy it?


People won't buy it to encode vorbis. There is better and free software doing that already. They will but it to be able to write their OGGs in CDDA without decoding them to WAV first.

QUOTE
So making plugin and charging for is not good option (no money).


I reckon you made a market research, then?

QUOTE
Making and not charging also - people will start using Ogg Vorbis instead of buying mp4/mp3PRO.


How can you be so sure? Just because of your zealotry that "vorbis is much better than anything else?"? You must keep in mind that not all people using Nero are zealots like you.
hans-jürgen
QUOTE(Cobra @ Mar 3 2003 - 06:32 PM)
QUOTE(Wish @ Mar 3 2003 - 03:54 PM)
Ahead, while they make a good burning software, their lack of support for open source formats such as Vorbis is appaling to say the least. Support of VQF and MP3Pro? Who actually uses these cloased, proprietary(MP3Pro) and dead(VQF) formats? UGH.

It's time for Ahead to get their heads out of the sand and into the real world.  <_<  :rolleyes:  :unsure:

They are in real world: they don`t make or publish Ogg Vorbis plugin because they want to sell plugins for other formats (MP4, mp3PRO). There was half-fun-trolling topic about it.

Dibrom or JohnV, please do something with this troll... dry.gif
Ivan Dimkovic
QUOTE
Because there are fully-featured and free Ogg Vorbis encoders (for mp4 and mp3PRO there is no fully-featured and free encoder) and it will be stupid to charge for Ogg Vorbis support - it will not help promotion of Nero (tons of e-mails with questions "Why i have to buy..."). You have right they can charge for it, but who will buy it? So making plugin and charging for is not good option (no money). Making and not charging also - people will start using Ogg Vorbis instead of buying mp4/mp3PRO. So Ahead don`t want to make plugin.


You will have to write "this is my own personal opinion" and I can only add that it is a wild speculation, which is dead wrong.

Please try to think twice before you post wild speculations - I mean, it is OK, nobody forbids that, I especially don't have nothing against that - but ranting without any backing (apart from speculating) just gives Vorbis a bad name - you are keeping telling some things which are not just unverified (to say the least - they are far from the truth) and that are related to business plan of Ahead software - I mean, wow - it is OK to express feelings about supporting and not supporting something in some software product, but keeping speculating about company's long-term business plans and intentions and keeping telling how bad and monopoly that company is, without proof or backing the claims - this is really sad. OK, people heard your opinion - there is no need to repeat that all over agan.

By the way - up to date, Vorbis is not supported in any major software product that supports other formats - I don't see any particular ranting of not supporting Vorbis in, say, MusicMatch or in official CoolEdit, or in Adobe Premiere, or somewhere else - while Ahead at least released a SDK which allowed making of Vorbis support in less than a week.
fireballuk2001
QUOTE
By the way - up to date, Vorbis is not supported in any major software product that supports other formats


I may be barking up the wrong tree here, but i would class winamp as a major software product... Ogg Vorbis support out of the box!
kjoonlee
QUOTE
By the way - up to date, Vorbis is not supported in any major software product that supports other formats


Easy CD & DVD Creator 6 FAQ says it(whatever that may mean) rips, burns, encodes, decodes, and catalogues Ogg Vorbis files, in addition to MP3s and WMAs.

edit: just a minor reminder, really : )
bubka
Easy CD/DVD 6 does encode and decode/record Ogg Vorbis
GrauerWolf
Damn - I can't use the plugin, Nero says in german "Fehler beim Öffnen der Audiodatei", means there's something going wrong by opening the Audio-file.

I'm using Nero 5.5.8.19 and the plugin was copied to the right folder (shared\Audio plugins).

Any advices? I was so happy, reading about this plugin, and now this problem is annoying me.

Help!
n68
yup...


youre not the only one..

i guess the maosau plugins
are compiled against the plugin manager
found in 5.5.10.15.

i honestly not shure..
but it`s the only thing.. i can come up with.

not tryed the plugins myself..
ditched nero.. ahead have ruined nero..

only use BAO/discjuggler..


ph34r.gif
GrauerWolf
Thanks anyway.
I need my version of Nero because of DiscT@2... But maybe newer versions supports this Yamaha-feature as well? I'll try discjuggler or BAO, too, if ahead won't release a working plugin soon or if other versions of Nero will end up in the same result...
n68
yup...


@GrauerWolf..

BAO burns ogg, mp3, flac, mpc and aac/mp4
it uses MAD.. as a mp3 decoder..

if youre gonna use discjuggler for audio comlications..
you should be aware of that DJ. just burns wav, mp3 & wma.. (not ogg.)
and with the xaudio codec as decoder.
rated as third best on MPEG decoding (mpg123 & MADplay.)
but i never heard a better sound on 1. to 1. copyes...

ph34r.gif
R.A.F.
QUOTE(GrauerWolf @ Apr 4 2003 - 01:43 PM)
Damn - I can't use the plugin, Nero says in german "Fehler beim Öffnen der Audiodatei", means there's something going wrong by opening the Audio-file.

I'm using Nero 5.5.8.19 and the plugin was copied to the right folder (shared\Audio plugins).

Any advices? I was so happy, reading about this plugin, and now this problem is annoying me.

Help!

Grauer Wolf, try to check, if all the Mausau-PlugIn´s are written in lower cases !!! If not, rename them to lower ones. They won´t be seen by Nero - at least with the latest version of Nero (xxxx.20) - when the letters of the PlugIn-filenames are written in upper cases. Sounds mad - but it is so.
GrauerWolf
Thanks, but even in lower cases: same problem... sad.gif

But I will try this with another version of Nero...
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