I was reading a message on another board and the poster said something along the lines he uses EAC secure rip and converts it to FLAC.

Then another poster adds, that EAC Secure isn't a proper rip and if you want an accurate rip you need to change your settings.

Now I use EAC Secure Rip but convert it to Wavpack.

Obviously this is a very open ended question but I was wondering what the second poster was getting at?

I have looked at the board for two days but no one else replied, so I got curious and figured I'd ask here.

Is there a better setting to EAC than secure rip? I was thinking maybe Test and Copy? I've tried both but I found secure rip goes just as fast as T&C if the CD is in good shape.

I was wondering if someone might shed some light on, to what that second poster might be getting at?

Thanks

Can you post a link to this other forum?

I don't know what they mean by a "proper ripper". EAC is indeed a very good ripper. The biggest key is to use accuraterip. If your disc is not in accuraterip your best results would be by ripping in secure mode in one drive and doing a test re-rip in a second, different drive.

Some people have had a problem with accuraterip, since the offset it uses is off by 30, so I don't know if that is what they meant by proper. However both dBpoweramp and EAC use accuraterip and this offset.

There are 2 different but related concepts:

Secure: ripper uses various techniques to detect/avoid/rerip track errors

Accurate: ripper compares track checksums to other peoples rips (accuraterip), the be more other rips agree with yours (confidence), the higher the probability you have a good rip.

They are related and complementary, but separate and independent, you can have one without the other.

To summarize: If EAC in secure mode reports no errors (or possible errors) AND EAC's Test and Copy checksums are the same AND the checksums reported by AccurateRip are correct, then yes, you have a "proper rip".

You can't get more correct than bit-identical.

Mind, you, this does not take into account a hidden track before track one.

I would love to see a link to that other forum

I am gonna say this is what the person is probably going for. So you would want ALL THREE to get a "proper rip."

I run EAC in Secure and I found if it said "Copy OK" that means there's no audible errors. At least none I hear. I think I read in these forums something about using burst mode and T&C being just as good as secure mode in EAC (It might not have been here).

I think all three would be nice to have but my interest is putting my music on the computer in lossless and being able to convert it to mp4 for my iPod without getting a pop or skip

I can't post the link 'cause it's too a registration site but it was only two messages so far.

To me it's nice to have the rip verified by accurip but a lot of my CDs are Japanese and New Zealand pressings and often they come up as "Not in database" or something.

Anyway I am not about to rerip all my CDs to see if the accurip verifies or not.

Thanks for your help

One approach to EAC ripping is using C2 with T&C. It's entirely possible to have matching CRCs with no errors but not have an Accuraterip. It's also possible to have errors and non-matching CRCs but still is an Accuraterip.

Having no EAC errors or matching CRCs is not a guarantee of an error-free rip. You can get a "proper rip" by just using burst mode without a test pass if verified by Accuraterip.

Basically to sum it up for everyone it's a private torrent site where a bunch of pretentious users reside shielding themselves from the outside world and the fact that they are pirating material . If I had to guess it's probably a popular "fm" site, but I won't mention any names as we don't support piracy around here.

I probably should stress that "the checksums reported by AccurateRip are correct" is the dominant qualifier. As long as AccurateRip gives you the OK, you could very easily rip your CDs in Burst Mode without testing (which I do, and fall back to Test & Copy if the CD is not in AccurateRips database, and then fall back to Secure mode if I can't get EAC's CRCs to match after two attempts).

dBpoweramp does this automatically; one burst rip, and if AR matches then done.

(It seems to me that this method can let consistent pressing errors pass through though, but on the other hand I have no evidence that any "Secure" mode would improve if the bits on the CD are indeed "wrong".)

How could you fix a pressing error? That is the correct data on the disc...

Because a pressing error could maybe -- I don't know how often this happens -- leave a "0" or "1" as "0.5", which could be improved upon by repeated reading and verification with the error pointers?

If the data is on the actual disc then c2 pointers or re-reading would not help, it would only help potentially with a CRC collision in AccurateRip, but these should be very rare (as we purge peoples error submissions and present only matching CRCs).

I think it might be useful to add that not all drives behave the same when ripping consistent "pressing errors".