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Eli
I have been playing with Andre's DAE Quality utility and would like to start sharing the results:



TSSTcorp CDDVDW SH-S203B SB04

[+] Buffer size: 2048 kB, read cache is enabled
[+] Supported read commands: BEh
[+] Testing cache line size:
no cache detected

HTOA supported
FUA not supported

Errors total tells about the total number of wrong stereo samples. This includes areas of wrong samples, that may include some correct samples.

The number errors measured in Loudness is the number of FFT analysis done. For that the average and maximum value tells the power difference of the two signals. No accoustic model is used for this calculation, so the audible error may differ from these values.

Muting tells something about error hiding. On bad errors (or bad error hiding techniques), the last error free sample is held for some time until a new valid sample is found. The number of these mutings are given as first result, following the average and maximum sample length of these mutings.

Skips are occuring when the sync was lost and the drive had to reposition again (and started on a slightly different position). Non-accurate stream devices would loose the sync very often and smaller and bigger skips occur (thus samples are missing or extraneous). The average and maximum values denote the length in samples of such skips.

The top half of the grid of the graph has the following means : The X position of a grid line is always a start of a new minute position on the CD (in play time, up to 74 min). The Y axis shows the dB(A) value of the error in the extracted file. The 0 dB(A) baseline at the top is marked slightly different. So the graph shows a range of 6 dB(A) down to -120.0 dB(A). Each line represents 6 dB(A) of volume (6 dB(A) louder means that the sound is double as loud).

The graph tells a lot about the abilities of the drive. The quality of the optical system (and/or of the error correction capabilities of the firmware) is shown in at which time index the error start. The error hiding qualities are shown when the wedge gets bigger. For example my Pioneer DVD drive will start error correction quite early (bad optics and error correction), but the corrected data will stay nearly always below -60 dB(A), which is nearly unaudible if it is surrounded by loud music. See in the previous picture the arrows that show these values (the arrows are not created by the analyser, they were added later manually).
Further the 5 scratches here were repaired nearly perfect, only 3 of them were not fixed 100%, and these spikes are really short and nearly unaudible (-54 dB(A) and -74 dB(A)).
The graph of that Pioneer and some other selected drives are shown below.

The bottom half of the graph:
The first graph (green) shows the total number of C2 errors reported by the drive. You can see if C2 errors are reported and if it matches with the error positions shown in the error graph.
The second graph (red) shows the number of reported C2 errors, but which are fully ok in the extracted WAV image. In some cases the drive is able to correct (or interpolate) the defective value to the original value. So this figure is usually not zero, this is fully normal.
The third graph (blue) is the most interesting of the three graphs. It shows how many errors in the extracted WAV file are not reported in a C2 error flag. On drives with perfect C2 reporting, this graph should be a flat zero line. But as most drives do not have perfect C2, it will show errors to an extend.
Eli
Plextor 230A


Despite its reputation, actually a very poor performer in this test
Eli


TSSTcorp CD/DVDW TS-H652L 0603

[+] Buffer size: 2048 kB, read cache is enabled
[+] Supported read commands: BEh
[+] Testing cache line size:
no cache detected
no cache detected
no cache detected

CacheExplorer 0.8 - spath@cdfreaks.com

TSSTcorp CD/DVDW TS-H652L 0603

[+] Buffer size: 2048 kB, read cache is enabled
[+] Supported read commands: BEh
[+] Plextor flush command: accepted
[+] Plextor flush tests: 5/5


Current high scoring drive. Many plextors to come soon.
spoon
I am 100% sure there is an issue with the test, because I am 100% sure the c2 detection of a PX-230a is not 50% (this was reported before) - we literally ran 100's of damaged discs though a 230a and would have spotted poor c2 reporting.

I also guess the drives with worst c2 reporting would be in the range 70 to 85%, with most drives being 98% or above, 50% is a joke.
Eli
Its one disc and one drive...

I plan to make a few other test discs out of pressed CDs soon and will rerun the drives and post those results as well.
Jean Tourrilhes
QUOTE (Eli @ Sep 15 2009, 19:36) *
I have been playing with Andre's DAE Quality utility and would like to start sharing the results:


Oh, I like it ! Great work.

When I was ripping my CD collection, a while ago, I also tested how my different drives were doing with respect to error correction. Nothing as serious as you did, just a few simple experiments. What is a nice coincidence that that after this experiments, my two main ripping drives are HP TS-H652L (crossflashed to SH-S162L TS08) and a Plextor PX230.

The default firmware of the TS-H652L had a bug where it was not reading properly CDs and firmware upgrade was a must. After flashing, I found that it was a very good ripper with EAC in secure mode. It handles scratches very very well (best of all my drives). However, there is a bug where occasionally it insert a cluster of 20 bad samples, even with good CDs. My Lite-On 20A1P does the same, so it looks like a MediaTek bug. So, AcurateRip is a must.

Like you, I was not completely satisfied with the PX230. It's a good drive, but I found its handling of scratches inferior to the S162L, but not as bad as your test seems to indicate. I found that the PX230 does seem to like secure mode, maybe because of caching. Most of my tests were in burst mode, and I use it exclusively in burst mode with EAC to get a second opinion on CDs that are not in AcurateRip.

But, it also depend on the CD. There was a few CDs that I could only extract error free with the PX230, but most CD with scratches has less errors with the PX230. Does that make sense ?

I played very quickly with dBpowerAmp, but I don't remember exactly how the drive did compare. I don't think it was widely different.

QUOTE (spoon @ Sep 16 2009, 01:17) *
I am 100% sure there is an issue with the test, because I am 100% sure the c2 detection of a PX-230a is not 50% (this was reported before) - we literally ran 100's of damaged discs though a 230a and would have spotted poor c2 reporting.


I have a theory. I believe it has to do with Secure mode. I strongly suspect that the PX230 does not like secure mode. And the TS-H652L really likes secure mode.

If I remember correctly, dBpowerAMP only use burst mode, whereas the DAE quality utility only use secure mode. EAC give you the choice of both, which is why I run my S162L in secure mode and my PX230 in burst mode, to use their strength and maximize diversity. Actually, I wish EAC had a way to run burst with C2, but that's another matter.

The second point is that it also probably depend on the type of damage. That's why I'm specifically talking about scratches (on the bottom surface). Damage to the top layer may be an entirely different story.

Have fun...

Jean

Eli
Don't forget to look at the actual graph on the 230A. The 230A was able to read through almost the entire black mark as though it was not there. It didn't perform as well on the scratches and this test would indicate that either the model, this firmware version or this specific drive is not as reliable with c2 as previous reports. However as I said, its only one test with one disc on 1 drive, and its not impossible that this specific drive has problems.
Eli
These are all the same test disc as above.

Plextor 750A

Eli
Plextor Premium

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