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tigre
Mausau's audio plugins for Nero Burning ROM are now hosted at cd-rw.org.
http://neroplugins.cd-rw.org/

AAC (last updated March 18, 2003) Advanced Audio Coding, based on libfacc/libfaad2
APE (last updated March 18, 2003) Monkey's Audio, based on Monkey's Audio SDK 3.97
FLAC (last updated March 18, 2003) Free Lossless Audio Codec, based on FLAC 1.1.0
MP3 (last updated March 18, 2003) MPEG-1 Layer-3, based on The Lame Project 3.93.1
OGG (last updated March 18, 2003) Ogg Vorbis, based on Ogg Vorbis Win32 SDK (1.0)
MPC (last updated March 18, 2003) MPC decoder SV4-SV7
ASF (last updated March 18, 2003) Windows Media Format 9 Series SDK
KAMiKAZOW
Hmmmm.... this Mausau guy does not seem to care about the (L)GPL.
I can't see, that he's making the changes to the sources of LAME and FAAC/FAAD2 available.
IMHO the copyright holders should write him a mail and ask him to comply with the license.
TURBO
Tigre, Thanks. Coolisimo. biggrin.gif
chrisgeleven
Decoding...does this mean we can make Audio CD's from OGG files just as easily as we can make Audio CD's from MP3's? Or is there still that additional step of decoding to WAV before burning...
tigre
QUOTE(chrisgeleven @ Mar 15 2003 - 08:30 AM)
Decoding...does this mean we can make Audio CD's from OGG files just as easily as we can make Audio CD's from MP3's? Or is there still that additional step of decoding to WAV before burning...

Right, we can now. There's no additional step.
ViPER1313
Unlike the older OGG plugin dated 2/24/03, the version below works with the spectrograph display / wavelet display in NERO Wave Editor as well as the Preview Button in Nero Burning Rom. Nice work!
chrisgeleven
Another querstion: does this plugin support Replaygain? Hate to burn a song to a CD and hear the return of all its clipping glory.
neoufo51
Woohoo! VBR slider for vorbis, very nice...

I love the new mp3 plugin. Much more intuitive than the Fraunhoffer one that came with Nero.

This page should have a "last updated" column or at least version numbers so we know when to update.
rjamorim
QUOTE(KAMiKAZOW @ Mar 15 2003 - 11:51 AM)
I can't see, that he's making the changes to the sources of LAME and FAAC/FAAD2 available.
IMHO the copyright holders should write him a mail and ask him to comply with the license.

FAAD2 is GPL'd, so he should make all sources available, and not only modifications.
KAMiKAZOW
QUOTE(rjamorim @ Mar 15 2003 - 10:54 PM)

FAAD2 is GPL'd, so he should make all sources available, and not only modifications.

Making the Diffs available is enough to comply with the GPL.
The thing is not, if he provides the full sources or just the diffs.
He does nothing.
Volcano
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Making the Diffs available is enough to comply with the GPL.


Huh?

I'm not totally sure, but AFAIK, using GPL'ed code requires you to have your own program under GPL (and nothing else), too, and hence making the full sources available.

(It's quite logical actually - if you used GLP code in a BSD'ed project, someone could just as well take it from the BSD project and do what he likes with it.)
rjamorim
QUOTE(Volcano @ Mar 15 2003 - 08:36 PM)
Huh?

I'm not totally sure, but AFAIK, using GPL'ed code requires you to have your own program under GPL (and nothing else), too, and hence making the full sources available.

(It's quite logical actually - if you used GLP code in a BSD'ed project, someone could just as well take it from the BSD project and do what he likes with it.)

See? That's what I mean when I say the GPL is useless because noone can understand it. biggrin.gif
cd-rw.org
This is from the site:

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March 15, 2003: Plugin for Active Streaming Format(identical to Windows
Media Audio*). Supports both reading and writing.


There are also now screenshots available, if you were afraid to download smile.gif
yq
I cannot make asf/wma plugin work. Nero just doesn's seem to see this plugin. Do I need some bloatware crap (yes, I'm talking about WMP9) Nero 5.5.10.15
Sgt_Strider
Apparently there's no introduction to what these plugins are used for. I can't seem to find any info on what's the use of these plugins so can anyone here plz tell me what these plugins are used for? Thx
tigre
QUOTE(Sgt_Strider @ Mar 16 2003 - 02:36 PM)
Apparently there's no introduction to what these plugins are used for. I can't seem to find any info on what's the use of these plugins so can anyone here plz tell me what these plugins are used for? Thx

Decode:
- burn audio CDs on the fly from compressed files
- open compressed files directly in Nero Wave Editor

Encode:
- Extract audio from CDs directly to plugin formats
- Encode wav files from Nero Wave Editor.
Phobos
man, wheres the flac plugin sad.gif ?
bubka
am i the only person who's encoder menu option goes crazy when you try to select a codec the save track option?
M
Hmm... now that we're starting to see non-commercial Nero plugins, I wonder how long it will take before some of the freeware burning apps (EAC, burnatonce, Burrrn) are able to use them?

- M.
chrisgeleven
No one ever answered my question. Does the OGG plugin have replaygain support? Don't want to burn an OGG file to a CD and find all the volumes back to their original state.
ViPER1313
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No one ever answered my question. Does the OGG plugin have replaygain support? Don't want to burn an OGG file to a CD and find all the volumes back to their original state.


No, it does not appear to. Files show the same volume in WaveEditor with or without replay gain tags, and there is no option to enable replay gain upon decoding, so the answer is - no.
shpike
QUOTE(Phobos @ Mar 16 2003 - 05:58 PM)
man, wheres the flac plugin sad.gif ?

Yes, my sentiments exactly!!!
neoufo51
In time, FLAC will come. I'm sure he's just taking care of the most popular formats first.

If you want, email him to remind him and link him directly to the source code.
SNYder
oooo... the mp3 plug-in encoder is so much better now smile.gif not that id ever use it, but still. blink.gif
SK1
On the page he writes:
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I'm still looking for encoder source code(I already found decoder source code) for MusePack(also known as MPEG-plus/MPC/MPP/MP+). If you have any information on the encoder source code or SDK, please let me know.

I just don't understand why he's so lame. The MPC decoder AND encoder source is availible from Frank Klemm's MPC site. Though the latest encoder source availible there is old, v1.1.
How can he possibly not notice the encoder source is there i have no idea. If he cares at all about MPC or searching in general, he must know this site, apparantly he doesn't.
B
QUOTE(SK1 @ Mar 17 2003 - 11:10 PM)
Though the latest encoder source availible there is old, v1.1.
How can he possibly not notice the encoder source is there i have no idea. If he cares at all about MPC or searching in general, he must know this site, apparantly he doesn't.

sv7 v1.1 is pgp encrypted.

sv8 v1.93 is open.
SK1
Ah ha. Didn't remember that. Then what he can do is ask, if he doesn't get it, that's it, no source for him and he can stop asking smile.gif.
neoufo51
All right! The new interfaces are soooooo much better.

This Mausau guy is doing one helluva job.
Dibrom
QUOTE(Benny.X @ Mar 17 2003 - 02:25 PM)
sv8 v1.93 is open.

Just for the record, Frank has recommended not to base projects on this encoder since it is not actually SV8 but pre-SV8. The file format will not be compatible, plus it is lacking features that will be present in the actual SV8. Another problem is that the files produced by this encoder are not compatible with most current players, and they shouldn't be updated to support this transitional (which is meant only as a testing platform) format either.

It's best to wait for the final SV8 spec to be stabilized and released. I suggest to anyone wanting to make an encoding plugin for MPC that they should contact Frank directly for the most up to date information on the current situation and progress towards the true SV8.
Trelane
The trick Case and I used for the Cool Edit filter might work in Nero. Use standard in/out pipes to write directly to mppenc.exe. The source for the Cool Edit filter is included in the zip file on Case's site (http://www.saunalahti.fi/~cse/mpc/).

Check out the following functions in mpc.cpp:
AddDataToPipe()
StartPipedEncoder()
StopPipedEncoder()
EncoderThread()

You might want to clean it up a bit, as there is Windows GUI stuff for a test application that was never removed.
tigre
FLAC Plugin added:
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Plugin: FLAC
Description: Free Lossless Audio Codec
Last Updated: March 18, 2003
Screenshot: View
Codec Based Upon:  FLAC 1.1.0
Dibrom
Moved off-topic ranting to here:

http://www.hydrogenaudio.org/show.php/act/.../ST/f/17/t/7649
[JAZ]
I am having problems with the MPC plugin. Nero Wave Editor crashes upon I open an .mpc file. The odd thing is that in Nero Burning Rom, if I add it to a new CD i can even play it correctly (I mean playing the .mpc file with the "Play" button, not once the CD is burned).

I just wonder if someone else is having this problem as well or might have a clue of why this happens.
VLSI
These plug-ins are nice, but I have a few quirks:

1. Vorbis plug-in does not let you specify a q-value or ABR stuff
2. I would have liked the Lame plug-in based on 3.90.2
3. Sources are not released

I think we need a shim layer for existing codecs: a plug-in that calls executable encoders/decoders, caches the intermediate file and passes it to/from Nero. Where codecs allow, piping could be used instead of intermediate files. An EAC-like dialog box for configuring command-line options would do the trick.

Any thoughts?
chrisgeleven
Request for whoever makes these plugins. I am sure that myself and others would love it if replaygain support (title/album) for OGG, Musepack, etc. would be made available with these plugins. The plugins work great otherwise, but I cannot stand having volumes change from song to song on a mix CD.
JohnV
I heard that the nero plugins author, mausau, is not interested in reading any forums (cd-rw.org offered him a support forum), so you'd prolly have to email mausau about any suggestions.

Personally I think that someone like john33 should create superior plugins which we could host at HA, and people could actually give feedback which counts.. wink.gif
cd-rw.org
QUOTE
I heard that the nero plugins author, mausau, is not interested in reading any forums (cd-rw.org offered him a support forum), so you'd prolly have to email mausau about any suggestions.


He was not interested in having a support forum, but I think he does read them. After all the plugs have improved a lot form the initial versions, so some feedback is getting through (things requested have been added). He is releasing new versions almost daily.
JohnV
QUOTE(cd-rw.org @ Mar 20 2003 - 09:21 AM)
He was not interested in having a support forum, but I think he does read them. After all the plugs have improved a lot form the initial versions, so some feedback is getting through (things requested have been added). He is releasing new versions almost daily.

Well, I still think we should host superior nero plugins, just because I'm tired of you bragging in irc how popular site you have and how HA sucks because it's so tiny... rolleyes.gif
And a little competition on this side wouldn't be bad for anyone.
At least we would get few more visitors, so that we would suck a bit less. After all, like your sig says: "Size does matter". laugh.gif
Narag
BTW, the page got updated - MPC plugin with encoding based on 1.1 engine is available ... rolleyes.gif
TrNSZ
Latest 3/20/03 has broken decoder, just a warning to anyone who might be interested in downloading it.

Encoding seems fine.
ilikedirtthe2nd
i wonder where he got mpc encoding source. frank gave him???

ilikedirt
Destroid
QUOTE(ilikedirtthe2nd @ Mar 20 2003 - 03:19 PM)
i wonder where he got mpc encoding source. frank gave him???

ilikedirt

It appears the binary-pipe method was adopted, it was mentioned in the other thread as the trick for mpc.flt.
hinius
QUOTE(SK1 @ Mar 18 2003 - 05:10 AM)
On the page he writes:
QUOTE

I just don't understand why he's so lame. The MPC decoder AND encoder source is availible from Frank Klemm's MPC site. Though the latest encoder source availible there is old, v1.1.


I don't think he is the lame one, unless your powers of eliteness have granted you the ability to crack the RSA and IDEA cryptographic algorithms. From Frank's site:


Encoder Source:

PGP encrypted for selected persons
jamieo
QUOTE(VLSI @ Mar 19 2003 - 03:28 PM)
I think we need a shim layer for existing codecs:  a plug-in that calls executable encoders/decoders, caches the intermediate file and passes it to/from Nero.

This is pretty much how burnatonce works... flac support added in 0.96...

Jamie
azaro
The APE codec seems to update daily (along with all the others), but the version number stays at 1.0.0.2.

A little confusing.
R.A.F.
All Mausau-PlugInīs donīt work together with the latest version of Nero Burning Rom (xxxxx.20) anymore. Itīs because in Nero itself were made some changes in handling the PlugInīs. There always appears the error-message "Unknown format", if you try to drop some files into the Nero-window.
AngelGR
Bad news. I hope Mausau update the files soon. smile.gif
grbmusic
With Nero 5.10.10 everything's fine with mpc decoder plugin, yesterday I write an audio cd with mixed files (mpc & mp3) and I havent any problem but the encoder plugin don't work sad.gif , only decoder plugin, another thing, replay gain not works yet sad.gif
Phobos
wohoo!!! Flac support!! i can die happily now rolleyes.gif jk laugh.gif
neoufo51
I'm sure that Mausau has already been informed of the situation with ...20 but isn't he working off an older SDK? He's gonna have to contact the developers to get a fix, which is probably why there hasn't been an update since 4/1/03.
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