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JBruckner
I've just put together a new computer and I've installed all software and drivers. I seem to be having a serious problem though and I can't seem to fix it.

Whenever I am playing music and do something processor intensive (Lightroom work in this case) the music slows down (like it's underload) and then speeds back up, but it seems like there is a type of lag.

I've changed the buffer, double checked to make sure I have the newest drivers, blah blah blah. I've done everything I can think about.

One note, when the music slows down, so does the rest of the computer. If I had more information, I would give it, but it doesn't seem like I can find anything referencing this type of problem on Google. It makes listening pretty unbearable.
shakey_snake
What CPU is this?
JBruckner
Core 2 Duo, overclocked to 2.8ghz.
sld
Does this also happen in Windows Media Player? Which output are you using in Foobar2000? Which version of Windows did you install (including Service pack)?
shakey_snake
And which soundcard?
JBruckner
This problem occurs in WinAmp as well, I do not have Windows Media Player on this system as it was removed during an NLITE install. I've tried "Primary Sound Driver" and "Realtek" in Foobar, both exhibit this problem.

I'm running Windows XP SP3.

The soundcard is the onboard sound on an ABIT IP-35E, I also have an Audigy2 installed physically (no software support), but the computer doesn't recognize it...
JBruckner
I do not seem to be having this problem when playing music through Firefox (YouTube). Could this be a software problem with Foobar then?
A_Man_Eating_Duck
is DMA enabled on all your hard drives?
JBruckner
It's a SATA HDD, so I don't think that's an issue? I just checked the IDE and SATA controllers in device manager, DMA is on for the IDE channels and I see no option on the SATA controllers for DMA.
foosion
Does the problem also occur when you do not overclock the CPU?
JBruckner
QUOTE (foosion @ Oct 13 2009, 12:31) *
Does the problem also occur when you do not overclock the CPU?


That is one thing I had not thought of!
Edit: Yes it still occurs when at stock speed.
JBruckner
Is there any other information I can provide to assist in finding a solution? I'm pretty stumped...
Is there a service critical to smooth playback? Maybe issues with the RealTek driver?
Edit: but it must be a problem with Foobar, as I do not have this problem while watching YouTube videos...
kode54
Are you using DirectSound, ASIO, or Kernel Streaming?
Yirkha
QUOTE (JBruckner @ Oct 15 2009, 09:03) *
but it must be a problem with Foobar
Yeah, it definitely must.
QUOTE (JBruckner @ Oct 13 2009, 03:19) *
This problem occurs in WinAmp as well
rolleyes.gif

Well maybe the Flash browser plugin just doesn't use DirectSound but the legacy WaveOut API?
Try going to "Control Panel > Sound and Audio Devices > Volume/Speaker Settings/Advanced" and decrease the Hardware Acceleration slider.
JBruckner
QUOTE (kode54 @ Oct 15 2009, 01:33) *
Are you using DirectSound, ASIO, or Kernel Streaming?


I'm not sure how to determine this one.


QUOTE (Yirkha @ Oct 15 2009, 02:36) *
QUOTE (JBruckner @ Oct 15 2009, 09:03) *
but it must be a problem with Foobar
Yeah, it definitely must.
QUOTE (JBruckner @ Oct 13 2009, 03:19) *
This problem occurs in WinAmp as well
rolleyes.gif

Well maybe the Flash browser plugin just doesn't use DirectSound but the legacy WaveOut API?
Try going to "Control Panel > Sound and Audio Devices > Volume/Speaker Settings/Advanced" and decrease the Hardware Acceleration slider.


I've tried that, it only degrades performance more.
JBruckner
Well this is all too bad, no ideas? I've hit a roadblock.
Xorx
QUOTE (JBruckner @ Oct 15 2009, 17:43) *
QUOTE (kode54 @ Oct 15 2009, 01:33) *
Are you using DirectSound, ASIO, or Kernel Streaming?


I'm not sure how to determine this one.



Go to Preferences->Playback->Output. If you are using anything other than DS:Primary Sound Device, try changing to it.
JBruckner
Update: I've made sure that the primary sound device is being used. I've also changed sound cards and updated drivers - the problem still persists. I'm now using an Audigy 2 with the newest drivers. What's the deal here guys?
tpijag
Hard to say. May be an issue related to Nlite?

Any other Nlite users out there?

If it were me, I would not spend even a moment more time on troubleshooting without confirming whether an other media player exhibits the same issues. You don't want to load WMP, fine....it is trivial to load any number of other players.

terry
carpman
QUOTE (tpijag @ Oct 23 2009, 02:29) *
If it were me, I would not spend even a moment more time on troubleshooting without confirming whether an other media player exhibits the same issues.

QUOTE (JBruckner @ Oct 13 2009, 02:19) *
This problem occurs in WinAmp as well, I do not have Windows Media Player on this system as it was removed during an NLITE install. I've tried "Primary Sound Driver" and "Realtek" in Foobar, both exhibit this problem.

Is it possible that NLite removal of WMP removed some key component (AFAIR WMP was quite knitted in to the operating system).
From: http://wareseeker.com/Video/windows-media-...2.40.zip/290975

QUOTE
Windows Media Lite 2.40 description
Some tools (like nLite and XPlite) allow you to remove Windows Media Player from your system or even prevent it from ever being installed. The downside to this is that vital components for Windows Media playback are also removed. As a result you wont be able to play Windows Media files in your browser or in your favorite player. A solution for this problem is Windows Media Lite, which restores those vital components [...]

C.

EDIT: Just to add --
QUOTE
Windows Media Player: If removed, may cause issues for iTunes, NTI CD Maker 7, and Winamp 5.

Source: http://wiki.eeeuser.com/howto:nlitexp
JBruckner
QUOTE (carpman @ Oct 22 2009, 22:03) *
QUOTE (tpijag @ Oct 23 2009, 02:29) *
If it were me, I would not spend even a moment more time on troubleshooting without confirming whether an other media player exhibits the same issues.

QUOTE (JBruckner @ Oct 13 2009, 02:19) *
This problem occurs in WinAmp as well, I do not have Windows Media Player on this system as it was removed during an NLITE install. I've tried "Primary Sound Driver" and "Realtek" in Foobar, both exhibit this problem.

Is it possible that NLite removal of WMP removed some key component (AFAIR WMP was quite knitted in to the operating system).
From: http://wareseeker.com/Video/windows-media-...2.40.zip/290975

QUOTE
Windows Media Lite 2.40 description
Some tools (like nLite and XPlite) allow you to remove Windows Media Player from your system or even prevent it from ever being installed. The downside to this is that vital components for Windows Media playback are also removed. As a result you wont be able to play Windows Media files in your browser or in your favorite player. A solution for this problem is Windows Media Lite, which restores those vital components [...]

C.

EDIT: Just to add --
QUOTE
Windows Media Player: If removed, may cause issues for iTunes, NTI CD Maker 7, and Winamp 5.

Source: http://wiki.eeeuser.com/howto:nlitexp


I have tried this solutions, but none have worked as of yet. Can anyone field other ideas? There seems to be a difference in the way Flash is processed and sound is processed. I know this because YouTube videos do not demonstrate this problem, yet WinAmp and Foobar do.
Robertina
QUOTE (JBruckner @ Oct 26 2009, 12:53) *
I have tried this solutions, but none have worked as of yet. Can anyone field other ideas?

Does Microsoft's DirectX diagnostic program provide any hint what's wrong with your computer configuration?

Start it (windows\system32\dxdiag.exe) and test your system (both tabs Sound and music).
mrinferno
have you looked at any of this forums threads on DPC latency issues?

it is another important thing to check for this type of audio playback issue.

also, google the program "DPC Latency Checker"

the issues are particularly common with certain Gigabyte motherboards.
Robertina
QUOTE
I've just put together a new computer

QUOTE
The soundcard is the onboard sound on an ABIT IP-35E, I also have an Audigy2 installed physically (no software support), but the computer doesn't recognize it...

QUOTE
I've also changed sound cards and updated drivers - the problem still persists

JBruckner,

referring to this statements I can imagine your situation comes from your hardware configuration (IRQ conflicts) more likely than from your software settings, so you might have more success in finding a solution by posing your question in a forum related to hardware / OS topics.

Some deliberations only:
  • Onboard soundchips and additional soundcards often influence each other negatively, so deactivate the onboard soundchip (BIOS).
  • Remove the soundcard (and activate the onboard sound).
  • Choose another slot for your soundcard or/and your graphic card ("Lightroom work in this case").
  • Read in the motherboard's manual whether there are slots less prioritized (timing or sharing critically).
Does one of this steps solve the problem?
JBruckner
QUOTE (Robertina @ Oct 26 2009, 19:10) *
QUOTE (JBruckner @ Oct 26 2009, 12:53) *
I have tried this solutions, but none have worked as of yet. Can anyone field other ideas?

Does Microsoft's DirectX diagnostic program provide any hint what's wrong with your computer configuration?

Start it (windows\system32\dxdiag.exe) and test your system (both tabs Sound and music).


Sadly, I removed the DXDIAG from my Windows install with NLite. I could pick up the .exe from another Windows computer in my house - I may do that if these other solutions do not work.


QUOTE (mrinferno @ Oct 26 2009, 20:39) *
have you looked at any of this forums threads on DPC latency issues?

it is another important thing to check for this type of audio playback issue.

also, google the program "DPC Latency Checker"

the issues are particularly common with certain Gigabyte motherboards.


Will check this out.


QUOTE (Robertina @ Oct 26 2009, 22:21) *
QUOTE
I've just put together a new computer

QUOTE
The soundcard is the onboard sound on an ABIT IP-35E, I also have an Audigy2 installed physically (no software support), but the computer doesn't recognize it...

QUOTE
I've also changed sound cards and updated drivers - the problem still persists

JBruckner,

referring to this statements I can imagine your situation comes from your hardware configuration (IRQ conflicts) more likely than from your software settings, so you might have more success in finding a solution by posing your question in a forum related to hardware / OS topics.

Some deliberations only:
  • Onboard soundchips and additional soundcards often influence each other negatively, so deactivate the onboard soundchip (BIOS).
  • Remove the soundcard (and activate the onboard sound).
  • Choose another slot for your soundcard or/and your graphic card ("Lightroom work in this case").
  • Read in the motherboard's manual whether there are slots less prioritized (timing or sharing critically).
Does one of this steps solve the problem?


I am currently testing audio performance with the onboard audio chip disable via BIOS. This solution had not presented itself to me until today; so, thank you. If this does not solve the problem I will try these other solutions.
A question: could memory timings and clock speeds be affecting playback? Could there be some mismatch between the memory and CPU on an overclocked PC that would create these types of problems?

Thanks for all the help everyone. I really apprecaite it.
carpman
What I would do in such a situation is this:
  • Do a fresh install of the FULL windows XP (with reformat) and NO overclocking.
  • Install all the basic drivers.
  • Check to see if the same problem occurs.
If it doesn't you know it's not a hardware issue.

Then I'd do a fresh XP install via NLITE and check to see if the problem occurs.
If the problem does occur then you know that it's related to the NLITE install and it's NOT a hardware issue.
If the problem doesn't occur, then overclock and see if the problem occurs.
Still no problem keep adding software/drivers until it does.

C.
j_b
Is your processor scheduling set to favor background services?
JBruckner
QUOTE (carpman @ Oct 27 2009, 14:08) *
What I would do in such a situation is this:
  • Do a fresh install of the FULL windows XP (with reformat) and NO overclocking.
  • Install all the basic drivers.
  • Check to see if the same problem occurs.
If it doesn't you know it's not a hardware issue.

Then I'd do a fresh XP install via NLITE and check to see if the problem occurs.
If the problem does occur then you know that it's related to the NLITE install and it's NOT a hardware issue.
If the problem doesn't occur, then overclock and see if the problem occurs.
Still no problem keep adding software/drivers until it does.

C.


I'm not quite ready to throw the towel in yet. That is a major amount of work - and I'm in the middle of editing a wedding right now. sad.gif



QUOTE (j_b @ Oct 27 2009, 14:21) *
Is your processor scheduling set to favor background services?


No, programs.
odyssey
I agree that a clean normal install of Windows might help determine the true culprit here. However, prior to that, I suggest you restore default (optimized or fail safe) BIOS settings and see if it changes the behavior.

Did you try to move the card to another slot already?

Did you try to restore another driver?

Maybe you can find some small old harddrive to perform the install on, so you don't have to ruin all your data on your current harddrive.
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