I was thinking if anyone thought it would be of any use if I created some installers with all the must have plugins for winamp.

That would be mad, mpc, ogg, gapless output stuff, lossless plugins etc..

All the things that ppl on this forum tend to use.

The idea was that it would be easier to have your plugins updated to the most resent version without having to go back and forward to a million sites and install the plugins manually.
Many newbies would maybe also think of this as a lot easier.


One big installer.
One with in-put plugins
One with out-put plugins
One with dsp (if there are any good ones and if ppl use that kind of things)


Also different program packs could be useful I guess. (EAC, razorlame, speeks fantastic frontends etc.).



Any feedback would be appreciated.




Jan.

Great idea!

Nick

Did a NSIS installer with the following catetories:
"All the plugins"
"MP3"
"MPC/MusePack"
"Ogg Vorbis"
"Lossless compression"
"Additional plugins"


" MP3 " is:

"MAD v0.14.2b"
"MAD documentation"
"Nullsoft MPEG Audio Decoder 2.76b69"


" MPC/MusePack " is:

"MPC/MusePack plugin 0.90b"
"MusePack documentation - English"
"MusePack documentation - German"


" Ogg Vorbis " is:

"Nullsoft Vorbis Decoder v1.17c"
"Nullsoft Vorbis Decoder documentation"


" Lossless compression " is:

"LPAC Decoder plug-in v1.00"
"Monkey's Audio Player v3.94b1"


" Additional plugins " is:

"Cd Reader v1.95"
"Cd Reader documentation"
"DirectMusic plug-in v1.55"
"DirectMusic plug-in documentation"
"MIDI plug-in v2.6h"
"MIDI plug-in documentation"
"Nullsoft Waveform Decoder v2.0c"
"Nullsoft Waveform Decoder documentation"
"read_file.dll, build 17/08/2001"
"read_file.dll, build 17/08/2001 documentation"



I would still need some feedback/interest before making the effort to mail all the author for approval before making this installer public.
If you like the idea please reply.
Anything that should be added/removed?



Jan.

Did you leave AAC out because of patent problems?

There are lots more lossless plugins. WavPack, FLAC, SHN, RKaudio...
I believe at least FLAC and WavPack should be added to your pack.

Regards;

Roberto.

I didn't think that that many used AAC.
I don't know about AAC. would it be legal? If so I can add it.


I'll add FLAC, WavPack, and SHN.



btw.: with the things metioned the installer is 623kb.



Jan.

No, it wouldn't.

Does Denmark recognize bogus software patents? One of these days, someone's going to test that in court...

I will not add ACC if it's illigal, sorry.

that's old. get new read_file, it's much smaller. new in_wave is in wa2update (i think i was too lazy to upload in_wave.zip)

Maybe add some gapless output plugins?

Not that many uses MPC or OGG either. It's probably a waste of time to make this package of plug-ins. You'll be lucky if the majority knows that Xing is not the best audio encoder in the world.

man, xing is OK. some people actually still use blade @128kbps. yuck.
@Jansemanden: make sure that you ask plugin authors for permission first - about my plugins, it's all OK; but i guess that some people would prefer to be notified about including their software in such setup file (i kinda don't like people who include without asking - *cough* CDex)

Xing is not OK. It can't use short blocks, its quantization process is totally optimized for speed, its psychoacoustics seems to be one of the worst.
However, Xing new is better than old, but it's still far far away from "ok".

That said, I can't even begin to understand why Blade has ever had a reputation that it would be good?
It's useless to start comparing Xing and Blade, both are bad, so people should keep away from those.

hehe, only joking. yes, i've read that n times already; all people who use xing should be shot. but still, blade is much worse; when i said "ok", i meant that xing isn't exactly the worst thing that might happen to you when you download an mp3 (eg. see gamingforce.com FF8 OST. geez. those guys are deaf.)
anyway, let's don't turn this into xing vs blade discussion

Nullsoft's in_mp3.dll shouldn't be included, since almost everyone already have Winamp 2.78, and when 2.79 is released, it might overwrite the newer in_mp3.dll from 2.79.

Yeah I know. I was waiting to see if anyone was interested before making the effort.



Ok, thanks!




hmmm.... yeah you right.
I'll remove that.
I think some of Peters plugins is also included with winamp though.




Yeah. I will have to see how big the installer gets first.
Anyway there will definitely be a separate output plugin installer.




Jan.

well, in_midi/read_file shouldn't go there neither, as they are in winamp setup.
anyway, you can grab all the important stuff which has changed since last Winamp release in wa2update.

Ok, thanks.

I just downloaded the big installer on your site and took what I found useful.

Be careful if you include MAD, if one MP3 Decoder is not disabled by the installer you will get double playlist entries, which is bad.

I don't think that right.
You have to enable MAD thru it configuration.
You can surly have different decoders at the same time.
MAD disables others.

I'm starting to write all the authors but saw this in the MAD documentation.
from the MAD documentation:




What does this mean? What is GNU?



Jan.

@Peter:
The plugins that say they are nullsoft plugins (etc. the vorbis one) but are written by you.
Do I have to get permission by Nullsoft also to include them or is it enough that you gave me permission?



Regards,
Jan.

GNU Stands for GNU's Not Unix! (Seriously). But you are referring to the GPL, which is basically a license that says that you can re-distribute the code and binaries. You also can use the code for your own project as long as you use the same license (GPL)

Read here for more information: http://www.fsf.org/licenses/licenses.html

You must have heard of the GPL -- for one thing, it's the license that Linux is published under.

yeah I've heard of GPL but I didn't really know exatly what it meant.

Ok, I've think I'm about finished.
A pack with all the following plugins will be released as soon as I have permission from all authors.

This is what will be in the installer:

MAD v0.14.2b
MAD documentation


MPC/MusePack plugin 0.90b
MusePack documentation - English
MusePack documentation - German


Nullsoft Vorbis Decoder v1.17c
Nullsoft Vorbis Decoder documentation


LPAC Decoder plug-in v1.00

Monkey's Audio Player v3.94b1

WavPack plugin v1.4a
WavPack documentation

ShnAmp, The Shorten Plugin v2.01
ShnAmp documentation

FLAC Plugin v1.0.2


Cd Reader v1.95
Cd Reader documentation

DirectMusic plug-in v1.55
DirectMusic plug-in documentation

Nullsoft Waveform Decoder v2.02

MIDI plug-in v2.62a


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the installer is 547kb.

Still if you think something should be added/removed let me know please.
I'll also look at output plugins but first I'll work on a little website to publish all this stuff on.



Jan.

in_vorbis was written by me, but it's formally owned by AOL/Nullsoft (contract stuff, $$$, etc). it's OK to include it; i'm sure they won't give you any trouble.
i'm not sure what's the point of including in_dm (which is useful only for playing certain sorts of game music formats) and in_midi (quite recent version is in winamp v2.78 setup; in_midi is kinda big and 99% of people installing your pack will already have it; ugrading from the one in v2.78 setup to the latest one only fixes potential problems with some systems, it doesn't add any new features).
quite recent version or waveform decoder is in v2.78 setup too (again - new v2.02 doesn't add any really new features; it only fixes problems with rare broken files and adds new customized error messages).
well, maybe we should make customized Winamp bundle instead, heh (i would have to talk to Justin about this stuff first, and he's hard to reach these days).

ok removed.




I think I'd like to include them anyway. They are newer and the point of these packs was also to easily be able get the newest version of "everything".



Well, I'm game!

about in_midi - it might happen that your setup overwrites some newer versions instead (when installing over some future Winamp).
most of recent in_midi improvements are like "yay cleaned up some old shit, dll now 1k smaller without any other noticeable effects". most of people here don't use MIDI very often anyway, and in_midi is sorta big....
i assume that nobody here cares about vqf (well, that would add like +400k, not sure it it's worth making mess)

Only if I don't keep the pack updated a then the goal kinda disapears.

Ok, anyone here know some good output and dsp plugins?



Regards,
Jan.

Humm... out_exec?
I use it sometimes, when I want to use lame commandline with some advanced switches I don't get in the DLL.

Seems more like a very big hack, but works for me.

Too special I think.
Not many users for such a plugin I guess.

You should take a look at Naoki Shibata's equalizer dsp. It's better than winamp standard eq.

http://www.milky.ne.jp/~galaxy/superequ-0.01.zip

edit: added link

/Erik

Thanks!

Actually I tried this plugin yesterday but I coldn't get it to give any sound.
I just tried again and now it at least works for me but the sound is not very good.
What would be a good setting?
Could you please five me some settings or perhaps send me a settings file.
Thanks.


Regards,
Jan.

Anyone have an opinion of Martin Pesch's Compressor and Wider DSP plugin?

john33

Ok, trying to find some good output plugins.
On my list is:

SqrSoft® Advanced CrossFading v1.7

Nullsoft Gapless output v0.6

crossfading directSound output v1.23

Winamp2 waveOut plugin v1.0 beta 9

Gapless directSound output v1.337

crudsoft gapless output v1.5

Nullsoft Crossfading Output Plug-in 0.95

Dudsoft Gapless Output Plugin V1.4


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So I would like to get some comments on what is HOT and what is NOT.




Thanks and ragards,
Jan.

sqrsoft is no good, it resamples everything to 44khz with crappiest algorithm possible.

Basically, everything that would be worth using will be in 2.79 or Peter's wa2update pack. Latest in_wave and in_midi also will be in 2.79 so I don't see the need to include them, it would only confuse people.

Who if any should I ask permission to use LAME compiles in my installers?
Mitiok?

If you copy the binaries from his page, I believe you should ask him.

Ok, I put up a little something now.

qas.stanstrup.dk

Any feedback would be highly appreciated, good or bad. There's no fun in having a site if nobody likes it.
Anything: software missing; inappropriate things like e-mail addresses not belonging there or licence violations



Thanks!

Nice.

Why not ask Ross Levis ( , http://winvorbis.stationplaylist.com/ ) if you can host and/or link to his WinVC Ogg tag editor?



"The best-laid plans o' Pina Coladas an' men gang aft a-gley"
- Robert Burns (with alterations)

thank you!


uhhh....... Tricky question!

I hope everybody can understand this and don't get me wrong: I only want the software I can really recommend on my site and since helium2 (oh no! :eek: ) will have ogg support in the next version I would rather recommend that.

I will add a link to WinVC tought.
Actually I will only have a link to helium2 too.



Jan.

HAHAHAHAHA. Why am I not surprised?
Your page, your choice.

It's understandable you only want to link to things [b]you can recommend. I would most likely feel the same way

(And not link to Helium2 )


Fine by me. I was merely suggesting what I'd like to see

"Three Pina Coladas walk into a bar.."