Im a data archival database for several pools for digital disk jockeys and have one problem the question i ask is what format produces total hi-fi reproduction of original and also the smallest filesize and the hardest part is compatablity for software such as mixmeister and bpm studio. When we recieve the originals we use soundforge for cleaning up and clarifying. Thanx guys much appreciated and its good to see people taking audiophile to the top quality oh ps what encoder would support whichever format you guys advise thanx again

Most DJ software only supports two types of compression formats (MP3 & WMA) anyway. So it's not like there's much to choose from.

I'd advice you not to use WMA unless you're thinking of using some really low bitrates (like below 112 kbps - which is usually poor quality in any format anyway). Use MP3 with LAME. See this thread.

Too bad there's no DJ software supporting MP4 (AAC), or Ogg Vorbis or MPC (Musepack).

this is the exact predicament i am in right now. i use bpm studio @ our club & mpc is my format of choice. reality is no time soon is mpc going to be supported in this or programs like it, unless someone were to write a useable 3rd party plugin. the companies themselves (bpm studio, dj power, pcdj, mix vibes, ots juke, mix meister, kool audio) feel they have what they need with mp3 & wma support, for now. hopefully that will change, but if you are looking for the here and now, as i have just decided this past week, time to go back to mp3. for the quality you seek & compatibility, i would say lame mp3, with a bare minimum of alt preset extreme (vbr) and of course a max of alt preset insane (which does not conserve space well). unfortunately it is a very tough time to decide on a format, 5 years ago it was easy, mp3 all the way. seems people keep saying the use of mpc will run into licensing issues before it finds commercial support, so until this can be clarified & ironed out (if ever) & until sv8 hits the scene, IMHO, lame mp3 is your answer & mine.

best of luck. jazz

I only have 1 program which plays mpc, but one thing I've noticed is that there is a noticeable delay
if I use the slider to seek into the middle of a track, whereas mp3 or vorbis on the same program
you are pretty much there intstantly. Is this an issue with MPC or just the particular decoder
plugin.

My semi-educated guess is that maybe the mpc decoder has to scan from the beginning for some
reason, whereas the mp3 and vorbis seek some percentage into the file and then look for a frame
boundary to start playing.

can someone tell me if mpc is a smaller file size then mp3 256kb if not can someone tell me the actual setting for lame i have the 3.90.2 thats recommended but i need the best and greatest guys and thank you very much for your promptness and advise but whats the best mpc or ogg vorbis i can probably talk to a couple of the makers i just need to know which one to push for guys thanx

For HI-FI quality:

MPC --q5 --xlevel (around 160kbps)

MP3 --alt preset standard

OGG --Q6

The artifacts MPC produces on it's few problem samples are less annoying than the ones produced by other codecs.

This reminds me of a person I knew when I was living Argentina who would sell terrible MMJB & Audiograbber rips which where mostly Xing & FHG mp3 @128 (that he & his friends would rip, trade, buy so they had a big collection) to Dance Clubs & they seemed to sell without any complaints even though some tracks had some big glitches. I don't know if you rip from CD at all but if I was a DJ I would be more concerned about the DAE quality than the compression (just stay above 128kbps) that's what general listeners are more likely to be dissatisfied with.

highest quality @ mid-high filesizes = MPC
good quality @ low-mid filesizes = Vorbis
best compatibility = MP3
3v|L = WMA

the next big standard and pretty good at all bitrates = AAC+ SBR B)

What does that have to do with anything troll?

MPC 1.15r with the setting you give is between 180 and 190 kbps, 1.14 was not much less.

MP3 recommended setting has been updated, it is now

--alt-preset standard -Z

Pio2001, when it was changed? As I can remember, in this thread http://www.hydrogenaudio.org/forums/index....t=ST&f=16&t=593 Dibrom writes something different:

See this samples where aps or ape has a problem thread.

I think it means that overall, -Z does more good than harm if used correctly.

Yes, first post of page 2. The former conclusion was based on one sample only. Now, an improvement was noticed on several other samples, so -Z is advised with APS.